Revision as of 18:36, 12 March 2007

This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. It provides for suggestions by Arbitrators and other users and for comment by arbitrators, the parties and others. After the analysis of /Evidence here and development of proposed principles, findings of fact, and remedies, Arbitrators will vote at /Proposed decision. Anyone who edits should sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they have confidence in on /Proposed decision.

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Proposed temporary injunctions

Temporary revert parole

1) Until the conclusion of this case, all parties are restricted to one content revert per article per day, and each content revert must be accompanied by a justification on the relevant talk page.

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Armenian Revolutionary Federation and Azerbaijan Democratic Republic still under protection, and much edit warring continues (e.g. ). Dmcdevit·t 03:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Could an arbitrator (or a clerk familiar with the wording, maybe its been recycled) respond to my query here about the enforcement of this injunction? Some of the parties have already made a revert or two (on different pages) without talk page explanation. Picaroon 01:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed principles

Assume good faith

1) All editors are expected to assume good faith in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Courtesy

1) Misplaced Pages users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their dealings with other users. Insulting and intimidating other users harms the community by creating a hostile environment. Personal attacks are not acceptable.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Neutral point of view

1) Neutral point of view as defined on Misplaced Pages contemplates inclusion of all significant perspectives that have been published by a reliable source. While majority perspectives may be favored by more detailed coverage, minority perspectives should also receive sufficient coverage. No perspective is to be presented as the "truth"; all perspectives are to be attributed to their advocates.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Misleading, if there are no reliable sources for alternatives to a formulation, the effect is to present that formulation as fact, in effect, "the truth". Fred Bauder 17:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Verifiability and sourcing

1) Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources. Editors adding new material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor. The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not with those seeking to remove it.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Original research

1) Original research is prohibited. This includes a new synthesis of published material serving to advance a position; an argument is permissible only if a reliable source has published this argument in relation to the specific topic of the article.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Relevant and appropriate. Personal analysis, however insightful, cannot substitute for attribution. Fred Bauder 17:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Article probation

1) Where user conduct issues seem to revolve around a single articles, and where there are a large number of editors involved, and those editors are not disruptive otherwise, it may make more sense to put the article itself on probation rather than individual editors. Administrators are empowered to block or ban editors from editing the article for misconduct like edit warring, incivility, original research, or other disruption relating to the article on probation.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages is not a battleground

1) Misplaced Pages is not a battleground. Misplaced Pages is not a place to hold grudges, import personal or external conflicts, or nurture hatred or fear. Making personal battles out of Misplaced Pages discussions goes directly against our policies and goals. Misplaced Pages articles are not a forum for the continuation of real world disputes by other means.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Nicely worded. Picaroon 02:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you. The point I was trying to make was that it was an all out war, before arbitration committee stopped it. Vartanm 02:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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1) Misplaced Pages is apolitical and an organized attempt to reverse that shall never be tolerated

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proposed. Fad (ix) 04:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed findings of fact

Locus of the dispute

1) Misplaced Pages has been disrupted by a serious of editing disputes centered around the political and ethnic constitution of Armenia and Azerbaijan.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Sources

1) Sources in English include 1993 UN Security Council Resolutions on Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan: Seven years of Conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, Human Rights Watch/Helsinki (1994), ISBN 1-56432-142-8 Online. Articles in the New York Times include "Trying to Tell a Truce From a War", By MICHAEL WINES, May 27, 2001 restricted access, "Armenia and Azerbaijan Remain Stalled in Talks", By KATRIN BENNHOLD, February 12, 2006 restricted access, "Hopeful Signs Appear in Solving a Post-Soviet Impasse", By C. J. CHIVERS, February 2, 2006 restricted access, "Attacks in Caucasus Bring New Tide of Refugees", April 7, 1993 restricted access Front page stories, New York Times. Conflict history: Azerbaijan, conflict history: Armenia, and conflict history: Nagorno-Karabakh (Azerbaijan).

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Notes Fred Bauder 15:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Irronically, the main problems are not on Nagorno-Karabakh, beside the table Adil added. But the bordering articles as well as articles not related with Azerbaijan. Francis and Golbez have done a good job on the main article. Fad (ix) 18:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Edit warring

1) Numerous parties to this dispute have engaged in edit warring including, but not limited to, AdilBaguirov, Aivazovsky, Artaxiad, Eupator, Grandmaster, Elsanaturk, Azerbaijani, Mardavich, Atabek, Fadix, Dacy69, TigranTheGreat, Vartanm, and ROOB323.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 01:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Please check my edit history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadix (talk • contribs) 16:22, March 11, 2007 (UTC)

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AdilBaguirov

1) AdilBaguirov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a participant in the dispute.

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Proposed Fred Bauder 17:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by AdilBaguirov

1) AdilBaguirov has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Original research by AdilBaguirov

1) AdilBaguiov has engaged in original research

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Proposed Fred Bauder 17:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by Fadix

1) Fadix has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by Fedayee

1) Fedayee has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Could I please get a link by a third party as to where I personal attacked someone? Thanks - Fedayee 18:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by ROOB323

1) ROOB323 has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Personal attacks by Eupator

1) Eupator has made personal attacks.

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Proposed. Mackensen (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Aivazovsky

1) Aivazovsky (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), formerly Clevelander (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is an Armenian participant in the dispute.

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Note Fred Bauder 19:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Checkuser Tabib

There are other edits and a number of accounts created from the ip that Tabib used and they are from Azerbaijan; however the edits by the other accounts are childish, not concerning the issues Tabib was concerned with. So essentially, no evidence of sockpuppeting by Tabib was found.

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Results of checkuser requested by Fadix Fred Bauder 19:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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Checkuser Request for User:ROOB323, User:Vartanm, and User:Aivazovsky by User:Atabek

The patterns of some of these users' edits are astonishingly similar. For example, User:Aivazovsky at ] says:

I find it difficult to deal with User:Dacy69, User:Atabek and especially User:AdilBaguirov.

and at about the same day, User:ROOB323 wrote at ]:

It is very difficult to deal with this two users User:Atabek and User:AdilBaguirov

Further User:Aivazovsky writes at ]:

I can discuss issues with Azeri users such as User:Grandmaster and come to eventual compromises

and then comes from User:ROOB323 at ]:

Although there were some conflicts with User:Grandmaster, but eventually we were able to come a compromise

Also, User:Vartanm and User:ROOB323, as it can be clearly seen here ] are engaged in coordinated edit warring at Monte Melkonian

Thanks.

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If you're attempting to prove that User:ROOB323 and I are sockpuppets, then good luck. According to his profile ROOB323 lives in California. I live in Ohio. We most likely have completely different IPs. So we happen to agree on Azeri users, that doesn't prove anything. -- Aivazovsky 01:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

loooooooooooooooool oh my god, WOW!!!!!!!!!! This is the funniest thign I ever heard. WOW Atabek, I really can't control my self laughing, it is just so hilarious that all your other tactics did not work out and you came out with something like this looool. I can't believe it. What can I say, nice one looool go ahead and prove it. ROOB323 06:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Coordinated edit warring? We simply removed the irrelevant sources added by you. None of the sources you provided contained the information that you were trying to add to the article. Three of them didn't even mention Monte Melkonian.Vartanm 17:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh and lets not forget that Atabek knows first hand what a sockpuppet is Tengri. --Vartanm 22:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser Request for User:Batabat

I ask that the administrators investigate User:Batabat. In this user's short tenure on Misplaced Pages, he has defended Adil's behavior of User:Khoikhoi's talk page and he created a user page that only consisted of the following text (also see here for evidence: ):

It should be noted that the Republic of Armenia has never laid claim to Nakhichevan, the autonomous Azerbaijani exclave seperated from the rest of Azerbaijan by Armenia's Syunik province. This was an obvious attempt to provoke a response from Armenian editors. His clear unconstructive attitude towards the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is a violation of Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith. It has been claimed that Batabat is a sockpuppet of User:AdilBaguirov, though this has yet to be proven. -- Aivazovsky 01:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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User:Batabat wasn't proven to be a sockpuppet of anyone, so it's premature to claim him a sockpuppet of User:AdilBaguirov or anyone else. User:Batabat is blocked based on suspicion (not proof) of sockpuppetry and cannot defend himself in this case, so your accusation looks more like a one-man party.

Regarding User:Batabat's comment which you're trying to use as incrimination, any user has a right for his opinion expressed on his own user page, as long as it reflects the truth and does not violate Wiki policies. And it's not quite visible why what User:Batabat said is a violation, given the fact that majority of ordinary Armenians (including yourself at Qazakh page), lay claim on Azerbaijani lands on just about every Misplaced Pages page. Here is just one example, which should be actually considered as Misplaced Pages:NPOV violation, at ]:

No, we admit that what is now Republic of Armenia, as well as half of Azerbaijan, has been populated by Armeninians since antiquity, whose percentage decreased only due to Turkoman invasions in 16-18th cc (except in Karabakh and some other areas). And much of the area began to become fully Armenian again after the Genocide and influx from Diaspora. And we fully intend to restore the Armenian population to the rest of these ancestral lands, bit by bit.--TigranTheGreat 14:37, 5 February 2007

I think this kind of hate attitude is really counterproductive in balanced approach to editing. Atabek 06:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Grandmaster has revert warred

1) Grandmaster (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has revert warred.

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Proposed. See the evidence I've compiled here. Picaroon 01:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Artaxiad has revert warred

1) Artaxiad (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (formerly Nareklm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) has revert warred.

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Proposed. See the evidence I've compiled here. Picaroon 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

AdilBaguirov has revert warred

1) AdilBaguirov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has revert warred.

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Proposed. See the evidence I've compiled here. Picaroon 22:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Artaxiad blocked

1) Artaxiad has been blocked indefinitely

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Note. Kirill Lokshin 13:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Provisionally unblocked, based on promises of good behavior. Kirill Lokshin 09:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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I think by saying "blocking indefinitely" and then unblocking the user, who violated perhaps the most fundamental Misplaced Pages rule, you only opened a "can of worms". This shows that it would be sufficient to attack, threaten, harass, stalk, create sockpuppets, etc. for an established user, and then ask for forgiveness (for 3rd time now). Better then not block anyone at all, and have a complete anarchy. And if someone gets a physical threat, obviously none of you, as administrators, will care to take responsibility. Atabek 16:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

This is simply ridiculous, we both know that no one will be physicially threaten, it is not as if Artaxiad provided an information about someone who does not do similar things in real life regardless of the consequences. Two of the users contribute with their real names here and the information is easily available on google, it is public domain, they knew the consequence of their act by registering under their real name. I admit that Artaxiad by providing another name did it wrong, as no user by that name was contributing here so it would be considered as revealing personal information. The Arbcom on the other hand should consider the harm that this would cause to the real person. In this case none. Persian and Armenian users here are not active with such stuff in real life, neither elites in this domain who are known to have very strong published opinions, just like the majority of contributors on Misplaced Pages they do mistakes, and should be shown how to act. This should not be compared with an organized attempt by an originized and financed elitist group to reverse the apolitical nature of Misplaced Pages and this is worst than any misbehaving having been done. I always said that this was not about content dispute. This is worst and the Abrcom should have this in mind. If it does not take position on the principale that Misplaced Pages shall remain apolitical under any circumstances. This case then is worthless, I attacked members because I knew something, my attack was a "devoir du citoyen." Fad (ix) 17:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Fadix is actually guilty of similar offence, i.e. harassment by revealing and distorting personal info. See evidence below:

• "Tabib who has voted, works in a tink tank organization which work with political parties in Azerbaijan, was a real life friend with Adil, who has associated himself with think thank organizations members of the republic of Turkey, like Sedat Laciner, and even got articles published by their journals, among many things denying the Armenian genocide and adhering to Laciner ultra nationalistic views."

• "Look around you and check who are contributing, Tabib is a known leader of some tink tank organization working with Azerbaijan political parties. Adil has a specialisation on media information, particularly the internet. What do you seriously think someone with some form of graduate degree in international relations and who has a specialisation in the transmission of this information will do on the internet." Grandmaster 17:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Public domain, I don't think anyone would have any problems if Zundel would have contributed in Jewish related articles and being treated this way. I have never revealed names of someone who contributed under another alias even though I had informations on them. Adil and Tabib were contributing under their real name, the information thosefor is under public domain. And the harassement was appopriate. Adil is a known contributor to Sedat Laciner extrem right newspaper, in which he denies the Armenian genocide and accuses Armenians of having exterminated 2.5 million people. Adil is a published Zundel, there is no way that he will be treated fairly by any Armenians by full knowledge of knowing how prejudicial this guy is. Tabib had in his site materials denying the Armenian genocide and the rest of the information about him is public domain. I have done nothing wrong there and I will do the same now and ever. I will never permit Misplaced Pages to be controled by organized and financed political groups who use it as their servers. Fad (ix) 18:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Before listening to further attacks and discussion of personality by User:Fadix, which obviously does not contribute in any way to the ArbCom case resolution, I suggest the administrators to review the information on the list of Turkish diplomats and officials murdered by Armenian extremists in the course of 1970 - 1990s, with two diplomats murdered just in Los Angeles . And then I like the administrators and arbitrators to think how dangerous it can get when one user in this conflict is trying to reveal the identity of even unrelated persons, thus attracting more hate attention. I am rather puzzled by this continuous leniency towards User:Artaxiad/User:Nareklm after two sockpuppets, persistent edit warring, personal attacks and now harassment. This is all while, User:Batabat was baselessly accused of being "suspected sockpuppet" after 3rd day of his appearance and blocked permanently. Now there is User:Zurbagan/User:Robert599, who is involved only on 2-3 pages revert warring and POV pushing on Armenian side, yet again let go free. May I see the reason for such obvious double standard? Do Azeris have somehow more default guilt than Armenians? Atabek 18:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Mardavich edit wars

1) Mardavich edit wars on article's where he is not a regular contributor, and in many cases has never edited the article he reverted before. This may indicate tag team reverting, reverting after being asked to revert or wikistalking. Examples: .

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I think this case deserves special attention. He also does the same on other articles (e.g. List of Iranian scientists and scholars), but these are relevent to the Armenia-Azerbaijan dispute so I only posted these. NagornyKarabakhian 19:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Single purpose account, likely sockpuppet of Jidan. Khoikhoi 22:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Topic probation

1) All articles relating to Armenia, Azerbaijan, and associated geopolitical disputes are placed under probation. Any uninvolved administrator may, upon good cause shown, ban any user from editing a related page. "Related page" is subject to the administrator's discretion. If, after three months, normality has returned to this topic area, the probation may be suspended.

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Proposed, based on a similar remedy from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Neuro-linguistic programming. Mackensen (talk) 19:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Another possibility is establishing a "list" of administrators empowered to ban, to reduce confusion. I think ten would be the maximum. Mackensen (talk) 19:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Karki (Azerbaijan)

Karki (Azerbaijan) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is a town which is part of Azerbaijan, but located within Armenia.

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Kalbajar

Kalbajar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Military occupation

Military occupation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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