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How do I write an interesting hook?

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• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
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• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

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2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

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• Article history

• ... that the Seattle Seahawks' loss to the Green Bay Packers in their 2019 Divisional Playoff game was their ninth straight to the Packers at Lambeau Field?

• Source: "Seahawks fans have plenty of bad memories of their favorite team's performances in Green Bay, with the losing streak at Lambeau Field now at nine straight games. The last such win for Seattle was on Nov. 1, 1999."

• Reviewed: Sehome, Bellingham, Washington

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

• Question: A few refs say that they were retrieved in 2020. I'm assuming this had a longer draft history than what I'm seeing here, but is there another explanation? ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Pbritti just reused some references from Packers-Seahawks rivalry. I can change the access dates if you would like. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I hate to be saying this so late after you've nominated this article, but I have notability concerns. A cursory review of WP:NEVENT suggests that the coverage ranging from only within a month of when the game was played raises concerns regarding whether it merits an article. If there's a localized standard/guideline that permits divisional playoff games to have a presumed notability (I wouldn't be surprised, as I guess that makes sense), then please let me know. Thanks for the clarification. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Pbritti, I have added three sources from a few years out. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007: Long enough, new enough. Earwig checks out and so does the QPQ. I don't find the hook interesting at all - what else have you got?--Launchballer 17:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer ALT1: ... that the Seattle Seahawks' loss to the Green Bay Packers in their 2019 Divisional Playoff game continued a growing rivalry between the two teams, who met in the playoffs four times in 16 years up to that point? SL93 (talk) 03:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry Launchballer, don't know how I missed this. I think nine straight losses, especially in the NFL, is an interesting statistic. For generally any sports fan, that many straight losses is unexpected and unique. Do you have any suggestions? I'm not sure i find SL93 that "hooky". « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 04:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I missed completely that that was what the hook was trying to tell me. I've taken the liberty of adding a clause from ref #21 as I think it adds interest, and would suggest inverting ALT0 as some variant of ALT2: ... that the Green Bay Packers' 2019 National Football Conference victory against the Seattle Seahawks was their ninth at Lambeau Field in 20 years?, though you'll need another reviewer for 'in 20 years'.--Launchballer 00:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer, I am good with ALT2. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

The article is long enough, new enough, and has no copyright violations. The hook (ALT2) is directly cited. A QPQ has been completed. SL93 (talk) 20:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Sun Haven (video game)

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• ... that players can marry the leader in Sun Haven?

• Source: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/all-sun-haven-marriage-candidates-romance-guide/#h-lucia

• • ALT1: ... that players have unlimited energy in Sun Haven, unlike other farm sims? Source: https://www.ign.com/wikis/sun-haven/Tips_and_Tricks_for_Beginners "One of our favorite features in Sun Haven (or lack thereof) is a stamina system. You don't need to worry about passing out from exerting too much energy like you do in other farming games"
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Crimson Diamond
  • Comment: Coincidentally, the QPQ is also a video game. I've been waiting for this game on the Switch (even though I don't own one) and its finally due to release by end of month! It was all because of this video.

JuniperChill (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

• Note: this may be suitable to run on 30 November, the day after the game is on the Switch as its scheduled to release on 29 Nov at 0700 PST (1500 UTC) according to this Reddit post, which was posted by one of the developers (see the username). I totally forgot about the special hook occasion and only just realised. If not, the 29th will do. JuniperChill (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Also ALT0a: that players can marry Lucia, the leader of Sun Haven?
• Pretty well-written and interesting article. Both the length and citation quality are alright, however I am of the view that the proposed hooks might potentially be in violation of the rule that "If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact." (WP:DYKFICTION). Would be great if you could propose some other alternatives. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
  • @Kingoflettuce: Well, you can't marry the leaders of Stardew Valley, Coral Island and My Time at Portia/Sandrock so I was thinking SH is unique in this way. Plus, marrying is definitely a real-world fact so I only think ALT1 fails DYKFICTION (because you don't have unlimited stamina IRL) and have self-crossed it out, leaving ALT0/0a it is. JuniperChill (talk) 12:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I would disagree with saying that ALT0 definitely meets WP:DYKFICTION because it's about marriage and the concept of marriage is a real-life fact. Plenty of things that happen in real life, such as births, deaths, marriages, going to school, etc. happen in works of fiction. The real issue here based on WP:DYKFICTION is if ALT0 is to be interpreted as a game mechanic or as a plot point: if it's the former, it might meet the guideline, but if it's the latter, it may not. Game mechanics are among those edge cases where it's not clear if DYKFICTION is met or not. At the very least, a reword may be needed. If not, maybe a different angle is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll hope for the best for this one then. I think i've learnt that DYK hooks shouldn't talk about the game and talk about the real word associated with it. JuniperChill (talk) 08:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

ALT2: "that Sun Haven did not gain a lot of attention until full release in 2023?"

ALT3: "that only a few games combine farming RPG like Sun Haven does?"

Sources: https://www.thegamer.com/best-farming-games-ranked/ "This indie gem has flown under the radar for a surprisingly long time, not gaining much attention until it had its official 1.0 release in early 2023" and https://www.thegamer.com/sun-haven-worth-it/ "Few games blend farming RPG mechanics, casual slice-of-life interactions, and high fantasy styles like Sun Haven does" for ALT2 and 3 respectively

@Kingoflettuce: Pinging for a return to the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd hate to be that guy, but I really don't find ALTS 3 and 4 interesting at all. Maybe others might? The article is rather well written and the other DYK criteria aren't an issue. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Thinking about this, I would have to agree. ALT2 is very vague (it is not uncommon for early access games to not gain traction until much later, let alone full release games), while ALT3 as currently written is also pretty vague and not very hooky. Taking a look at the article, I'm actually not sure if the article is even a good fit for DYK as there doesn't really seem to be any hook material in it, not even in the Reception section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• The only remaining options I can see in the article could be either of the following:

ALT4 ... that the 2023 life simulator Sun Haven has been compared to Stardew Valley?

ALT5 ... that a reviewer described the game Sun Haven as similar to Stardew Valley, but more magical and fantastic?

Stardew Valley is a very popular and well-known game (saying as someone who's yet to play it), but I'm not actually sure if the angles would work if readers don't know Stardew Valley. In addition, JuniperChill has a notice on their talk page saying they are on Wikibreak until the end of the month: should the nomination continue in their absence? Pinging Kingoflettuce again for input, or possibly other editors like RoySmith and Launchballer regarding the latter question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, im on a christmas holiday rn which is why I made almost no edits this month. As my talk page says, I will be back sometime around 30 Dec. I would think alt5 is the way to go because it adds more info than alt4, but I should put this nom on hold until at least new year. JuniperChill (talk) 06:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:DYKTIMEOUT suggests we should keep this alive until Jan 20th. RoySmith (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Kingoflettuce, Narutolovehinata5, and RoySmith: I'm home now. Does anyone have an optionion on alt4-5? I think we can work with alt4-5 since this game has often been compared with Stardew (well, Fields of Mistria too given the influx of new farm sims from 2023). A little bit unfortunate that I was on a long holiday wikibreak but at least Tiny Glade (nom) was reviewed just days before that started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuniperChill (talk • contribs) 12:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Redoing pings to @Kingoflettuce, Narutolovehinata5, and RoySmith:, which wouldn't have gone through because original post was not signed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I must have forgotten that I need to manually sign posts here due to lack of reply feature and especially due to my wikiholidaybreak. I'm quite used to the reply feature as it automatically appends my signature. I only forgotten to sign my comment a few times and it was all by accident. I was about to leave a followup comment cause I would've expected a reply within 24 hours. JuniperChill (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

As the proposer of ALT4-5, I'm probably not the best person to ask regarding them. As a gamer I might find them somewhat interesting, but I'm not sure if either hook would appeal to non-gamers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Very easy workaround for "no real-world connection" in the marriage thing: "ALT6:.... that Sun Haven has drawn attention for letting players marry the leader?" DS (talk) 21:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed to check the recent ALT hooks and to see whether this is ready to be promoted; we're running out of time on this one. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:03, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 21

Articles created/expanded on November 22

Sugya

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• ... that the composition of a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, has multiple layers, with the latest edited with an anonymous voice?

• Source: "Separating the Tannaitic, Amoraic, and Stammaitic layers reveals that the rabbis employ increasingly abstract formulations and concepts in their legal science." Stammaitic = anonymous (same source). See: Rubenstein at https://www.ancientjewreview.com/read/2016/2/9/talmudicstories

• ALT1: ... that a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, may be read as folklore, philosophy, proto-feminist, or legal virtuosity? Source: Folklore -- Stein, Dina (2019). "Linguistic Liaisons: Wives and Vows in the Babylonian Talmud (BT Nedarim 66a-b)". Nashim: A Journal of Jewish Women's Studies & Gender Issues (35). Philosophy: Lévinas, Emmanuel; Aronowicz, Annette; Lévinas, Emmanuel (1990). Nine Talmudic readings. Bloomington: Indiana Univ. Press. ISBN 978-0-253-20876-7. Proto-feminist: Hauptman, Judith (1998). Rereading the rabbis: a woman's voice. Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3400-4. Conceptual "virtuosity: -- Moscovitz, Leib (2003). ""Designation is Significant": An Analysis of the Conceptual Sugya in bSan 47b–48b". AJS Review. 27 (2): 227–252. Let me know if quotes from sources would be helpful.
• ALT2: ... that anonymous editors may create a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, by rewording quotations by earlier rabbis? Source: Moscovitz, Leib. "'The Holy Blessed One Be He... Does Not Permit the Righteous to Stumble': Reflections on the Development of a Remarkable BT Theologoumenon." In Rubenstein, Jeffrey L., ed. Creation and Composition: the Contribution of the Bavli Redactors (Stammaim) to the Aggada. Mohr Sieback, 2005, p126 "Second, the anonymous BT redactors contributed to the Talmud by reformulating amoraic dicta, not just by adding to their statements." Friedman, Shamma (2005). "A Good Story Deserves Retelling – The Unfolding Of The Akiva Legend" in same book: see p.72 "anonymous voice in the sugyot... original and creative rather than simply preserving or transmitting"
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tony Pajaczkowski
• Comment: Open to suggestions with the hook, trying to avoid insider jargon. Also, please help with my faulty template use in the QPQ. Btw, "proto-feminist" isn't quite parallel structure.

ProfGray (talk) 04:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC).

• @ProfGray: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig picks up nothing. I added a {{cn}} tag that needs addressing. More serious, however, is the fact that I don't find any of the hooks to meet WP:DYKINT and I can't see anything in the article that would make a good hook, though the latter may because this is extremely technical.--Launchballer 15:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. How about this? ... that only in the 20th C. were scholars able to prove when a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, was invented as if written by earlier authors?

Trying to avoid the plural form, sugyot. "Invented" in the article, could say "composed" in the hook. It's kind of pseudoepigraphic. This finding was crucial to the historical study of Talmud vs the religious. ProfGray (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I still don't find that interesting.--Launchballer 14:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Since this is a Judaism-related article, maybe Theleekycauldron might have some ideas? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 26

Alessandra Rojo de la Vega

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• ...that Alessandra Rojo de la Vega became the mayor of Cuauhtémoc, Mexico City after a very contested election, with a gunshot attack, several vote recounts and accusations of gender violence?

• Source: https://elpais.com/mexico/2024-09-18/el-tribunal-electoral-federal-confirma-el-triunfo-de-alessandra-rojo-de-la-vega-en-la-alcaldia-cuauhtemoc.html

Alan Islas (talk) 15:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

• Comment-only, refer to WP:DYKHOOKBLP. (CC) Tbhotch 05:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Notwithstanding Tbhotch's comment, QPQ has yet to be done. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 11:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Alan Islas: You need to review another article, and you also need to consider hooks that are not unduly negative for this living person per Tbhotch's suggestion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • @Sammi Brie: Thanks everybody for looking into my submission. Apologies for the delay in replying, I was not able to work on this due to external circumstances. Completed review of Template:Did you know nominations/Marzēaḥ.
    About the hook, it is not intended to be negative, as Rojo de la Vega showed resiliency to overcame all the obstacles. In the end her case prevailed in the electoral courts and she was confirmed as the winner of a very contested election. However, I do see how it can be interpreted differently. I have to go to work now, but I'll get back to this tonight, edit the original hook and add alternatives. Alan Islas (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Pinging the actual reviewer Kingoflettuce for this update. (I just was pinging to move the nomination along.) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 14:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Thanks, not particularly enthused about the alts either due to lingering BLP concerns, but maybe ALT3 works? KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 03:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 1

Qvadriga

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• ... that the 2014 chariot racing video game Qvadriga was inspired by the 1979 board game Circus Maximus?

• Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20201112035235/https://www.wargamer.com/articles/qvadriga-developer-interview/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/An American Overture

hahnchen 00:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC).

• This is my first DYK review so let me know if I made a mistake. QPQ has been done. Article long enough (5032 characters), images licensed correctly, Earwig null results, article is well-referenced and presentable. Hook is verified and cited to a reliable primary source. However, I do not think the hook is interesting. Why should regular reader care that a video game is inspired by another board game? Ca 02:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks, the reason I chose this hook is because there's a large gap in between the board game and the video game. I thought it was interesting to show the board game's legacy. I can suggest other hooks which refer to chariot racing, like the forty-three hippodromes and circuses, but I felt that less interesting because they are all just presented from a top down view. - hahnchen 15:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
    • To me, the fact that this is a racing game based on turn-based tactics seem interesting, since most racing games are real-time. However, I don't know if WP:DYKFICTION applies here. Ca 01:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
      • I think that it being a turn-based tactical racing game is interesting, it is certainly rare for a video game. Alt hooks suggested below, but I still prefer the original

        ALT1... that PC gaming website Rock Paper Shotgun named the turn-based tactics game Qvadriga as the best racing game of 2014?

        * Source: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/best-racing-game-2014-qvadriga

        ALT2... that Qvadriga is a turn-based tactics chariot racing video game set in ancient Rome?

        * Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/qvadriga-review or http://www.turnopia.com/qvadriga/ or the game itself

      • hahnchen 20:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• I think the original hook is the most interesting due to the contrast of game years. But the alternative hooks are also good. Maybe more emphasis could be placed on the contrast between mobile game vs board game? Moondragon21 (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Tellus (app)

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• ... that even though California-based company Tellus does not possess a banking license, it offers non-FDIC-insured interest-bearing demand deposit accounts to consumers? Source: Barron's 1
  • ALT1: ... that 68% of funds lent by Tellus between April and December 2023 were given to affiliates of one real estate investment firm to invest in Silicon Valley housing? Source: Barron's 2
  • ALT2: ... that California-based startup Tellus pivoted from being a property management app to a consumer-facing financial services company? Source: Barron's 1
  • ALT3: ... that while Tellus packages together cash from multiple consumer depositors to make real estate loans, and is not FDIC-insured, it states that it does not offer mortgage-backed securities to consumers? Source: TechCrunch
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cherry on Top (Bini song) Template:Did you know nominations/Dithapelo Keorapetse
  • Comment: QPQs completed.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

• This is not a review but rather than a comment, but ALT0 and ALT3 will probably have to be rejected due to both WP:DYKINT concerns (reliance on specialist terms that may not be easily understood by non-financial savvy readers, especially outside the US) and for also sounding rather promotional. ALT2 might be the only suitable option at this point. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

  I understand how one could read Alt0 to be promotional (though I disagree and don’t see why non-insured demand deposit accounts are appealing but for their higher rates, which isn’t in the hook). But I’m really not sure how Alt3 could be seen that way—it’s highlighting that they don't purport to offer mortgage-backed securities even though they make what appears (to at least some professors cited in the body) be some sort of securitized loan offering without registration. That being said, I do take your point that people who don’t know much about managing their finances through investment could find these two hooks’ nuances hard to understand.Separately, I had been considering a book about the mysterious non-existent partnerships with banks that are mentioned in the article and were the subject of Senate scrutiny, but I couldn’t figure out a way to write it concisely in hook form without oversimplifying. I’ll take a crack at that over the next couple days with a clear head. — Red-tailed sock _{(Red-tailed hawk's nest)} 16:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Overall: Thank you for this carefully-detailed article about financial wheeler-dealing. Contrary to above comments, it would seem to me that any intelligent person can smell he stink emanating from that dodgy company, no matter what country they are in. So well done for alerting us to it, and well done for writing hooks which may guide readers to take a good look at the article. I could tell from the hooks alone that there was something very unsafe about the company's handliing of money, so I would certainly not take the hooks as obscure or uninteresting.

Good to go, with a preference for ALT3, even though it has 199 characters (i.e. close to the max of 200). Please do not prune ALT3, because this kind of financial detail is important and should not be messed about with. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 13:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Red-tailed hawk, am I right to read "and is not FIDC-insured" as only indirectly relevant to the rest of the hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: I am going to give a long-winded answer for posterity’s sake, but the short answer is that it is directly relevant.

The way that the fractional-reserve banking systems works (in a very simplified way) is that banks receive deposits from customers and pool those funds to make loans, while keeping only a minimal small fraction of deposits as actual cash on hand. Banks receive interest payments from the loans they have made, and in turn provide customers with interest in their deposit accounts. In the U.S., banks are required to be FDIC insured—this keeps confidence in banks and prevents a bank run.

Tellus, however, is not a licensed bank. As such, it doesn’t answer to the banking regulators. It also doesn’t hold FDIC insurance, as non-bank financial firms aren’t eligible for it.

There is another to pool money from several individuals in order to issue a loan—securitization. In the mortgage industry, it is common for mortgage issuers to sell mortgages to other banks and Qualified institutional buyers, who would collect the interest in the long run. A mortgage-backed security is a financial instrument that is backed by these sorts of mortgages (alone or pooled with others); the security is broken into shares which are then distributed to other parties. Unregistered securities exist, and can even be sold between third-party banks and other QIBs under SEC rule 144A, but the big rule is that you can’t sell them to ordinary people because.

The way that Tellus boost/reserve works (based on their January 2023 Boost ToS) is that deposits are general obligation debts of Tellus to its account holders, and represents only a debt from Tellus to the account holders. Tellus says that the cash accounts are not mortgage-backed securities because they are not; in fact, they’re backed only by Tellus’s future income as a firm—there is no specific asset backing them.

So, you’ve got something here that they say is not a mortgage-backed security. And they also aren’t claiming that it’s a demand deposit backed by a specific asset, while also claiming in advertising that one can withdraw money (for boost accounts) whenever one would like. So one’s left with concluding that that they’re essentially securing private, apparently callable (in advertising but not in the actual customer agreement), interest-bearing debt financing to themselves from a set of people that apparently includes non-accredited investors. And the company is using that money (based on public statements) for commercial lending of its own.

So, yes, the FDIC part matters, since it indicates that the firm is not acting like a bank would. And the MBS part matters, as it indicates that there is no specific asset backing the deposits. It’s its own thing, and it’s a unique and unusual model for a consumer-facing business’s finance arm.

— Red-tailed sock _{(Red-tailed hawk's nest)} 17:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• The hook has been pulled from Prep owing to concerns about the original hook (which is now struck). Per the discussion at WT:DYK, there are two possible options: ALT2, and a hook proposed by RoySmith (labeled as ALT4 here):

• ALT2: ... that California-based startup Tellus pivoted from being a property management app to a consumer-facing financial services company?
• ALT4 ... that while Tellus uses non-FDIC insured consumer deposits to make real-estate loans, it states that it does not offer mortgage-backed securities?

While one editor also said ALT2 is suitable, discussion leaned more towards either of these two, so a new reviewer is needed to make a final decision. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

No, the discussion did not determine that, nor strike those hooks. Please do not strike my comments against the guidance of WP:TPO and please self-revert, as you have become WP:INVOLVED here. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 22:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I did not strike your comments, only some of the hooks above. Striking hooks is a common practice on DYK regarding hooks that are deemed to no longer be under consideration. For what it's worth, there did seem to be (emphasis on "seem" here, so correct me if I'm wrong) loose consensus that the original hook was problematic, so that's probably out of the question now, though the discussion didn't rule out RoySmith's rewording of it. That's why there's the request for a previously uninvolved reviewer, to make sure the final decision is impartial. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

For the benefit of any new reviewers, the abovementioned discussion about this nomination is at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know#Tellus (app). Storye book (talk) 10:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Now archived at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know/Archive 203#h-Tellus_(app)-20241229093500. ~Darth Stabro 17:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Influencer

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• ... that the 2021 Supreme Court NCAA v. Alston ruling made student athlete influencers (pictured) eligible for compensation?

• Source: https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31679946/supreme-court-sides-former-players-dispute-ncaa-compensation

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aquilegia chrysantha
• Comment: 2 QPQs in one.

TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC).

• Interesting article. No problems with copyright and hook mentioned in the article with proper source. Images have no copyright problems and freely licensed. Overall, the article has no problems with citations. Good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 12:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
  • @TonyTheTiger, Toadboy123, AirshipJungleman29, and RoySmith: per the nominator's request, I've pulled this hook while we sort out some content issues. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• @Theleekycauldron, Toadboy123, AirshipJungleman29, and RoySmith: The article talk is pointing toward a formal WP:RM, which is a one-week process once it is started. Before it is started, a procedural reversion back to the original location is considered Kosher. Then the RM can commence. This was moved from main space on December 2. I am going to assume that if everything is settled within 2 months of that date it would be considered timely for DYK since it is not uncommon for noms to drag on that long. I expect to be able to report back with a properly formed page location consensus via RM before then.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
  • P.S. I do believe even a non-RM admin can process the reversion, if anyone wants to speed the process initiation along.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • My attitude on stuff like this is that as long as you get the nomination in on time (which you have), that stops the clock, so I wouldn't worry about that. RoySmith (talk) 13:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Still waiting on Talk:Influencer#Requested_move_8_January_2025.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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2024 MLS expansion draft

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• Article history

• ... that San Diego FC, Major League Soccer's newest team selected five new players during the 2024 MLS expansion draft?

• Source: "San Diego FC: 2024 MLS Expansion Draft results". Major League Socccer. December 11, 2024. Retrieved December 12, 2024.

• ALT1: ... that Heine Gikling Bruseth, Hamady Diop, Jasper Löffelsend, Hosei Kijima, and Thiago Andrade were selected in the 2024 MLS expansion draft by San Diego FC? Source: "San Diego FC: 2024 MLS Expansion Draft results". Major League Socccer. December 11, 2024. Retrieved December 12, 2024.
• Reviewed:

Demt1298 (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

• Neither hook is interesting to a broad audience, as outside of football/soccer fans, the hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting or unusual. Please provide more accessible hooks that can attract or interest even non-MLS fans. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@SounderBruce, BeanieFan11, and Gonzo fan2007: Is it okay if any of you propose alternate hooks, if it is possible? Also pinging Demt1298 and Motdattan for their input. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Both hooks are pretty boring, even to this soccer fan. How about this ALT2: ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft took place at a shopping center? Source: San Diego Union-Tribune SounderBruce 00:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe ALT3 ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft featured only five selections? – the next would need to be added, but perhaps ALT4 ... that the 2024 MLS expansion draft featured the selections of a Norwegian, a Senegalese, a German, a Japanese, and a Brazilian – and no one else? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I like SounderBruce's suggestion the most. Just waiting for a response from the nominator before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I mean as a soccer fan, I don't know why the fact it was at a shopping mall would make it interesting, but I also understand my suggestions were boring, so I don't know I should be the one who defines what is interesting to soccer fans. Demt1298 (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. QPQ not needed for a nominator with less than five nominations. The hook is supported in-text, but the relevant sentences lack a footnote: this will need to be fixed before the nomination is approved. More worryingly, the "Format" section appears to be a very close paraphrase of the source. The paraphrasing will need to be addressed for the nomination to succeed. If you need any assistance, don't hesitate to ask a copyright expert. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Pinging nominator Demt1298 or our resident MLS expert SounderBruce for help on the close paraphrasing issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Rulesets cannot avoid paraphrasing due to the need to explain the exact rules and not misrepresent the subject. FWIW, Earwig only has 7.5% confidence and most of the hits were specific terms or names of mechanisms that cannot be changed; the one outlier is "end of the season", which could be tweaked. SounderBruce 07:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Given the above, does the article have close paraphrasing to you, or would the wording slide per WP:LIMITED? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Earwig checks only direct copying, not close paraphrasing. I think what's present goes beyond LIMITED, but there is also the option of quoting directly if necessary. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Demt1298 and SounderBruce: The above still need addressing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

This is not my nomination, so I would prefer not to be pinged. I was only here to offer a suggestion. SounderBruce 00:45, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Demt1298: Per the above, the nomination will be closed as unsuccessful if the paraphrasing issues are not addressed within a reasonable timeframe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Madagascar banana

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• ... that there are only three mature Madagascar banana trees?

• Source: "Only five mature individuals of E. perrieri have been previously identified in the whole of Madagascar, and a recent survey has suggested that now only three of these may be left (Analavelona, Ampefy and Maintirano areas)." https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/madagascan-banana

• ALT1: ... that the Madagascar banana is critically endangered? Source: https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/madagascan-banana
• Reviewed:
• Comment: No QPQ required as Laffuble will own this DYK as you can see from talk page. I (Chidgk1) just put it in for them and will deal with any questions they might be unsure about being relatively new to Misplaced Pages

Chidgk1 (talk) 16:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

Overall: Hello Laffuble, welcome to DYK, I hope you have a wonderful time here! I have a few concerns regarding the article which I will outline below, and will ping Chidgk1 since there are outstanding inquiries about the state of this article:
ALT0 is truthfully the most interesting of the two hooks proposed. Plenty of things out there are critically endangered, it is a conservation category onto itself. The severely restricted population serves as a much better hook. However, the hook as it stands right now is not supported by the material within the article and the source, which states there are five mature individuals rather than three. I will strike ALT1 from consideration.
iNaturalist is not a good source for the plant's morphology, nor is Rarepalmseeds, which is a site with commercial interests. A much better source for that information is either a study or the original description, if it can be located. iNaturalist's image gallery being a source falls into WP:OR. Google Scholar is a helpful source for finding research papers regarding Ensete perrieri, if you're stuck finding trustworthy sources.
Earwig detects no copyvio issues, long enough, and new enough. I hope this can be of help to you! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: We have made some changes - is it ok now?

Chidgk1 My apologies but I see that you have simply replaced the problematic sources for the “Description” section, rather than consulting the source and making the necessary changes to the article using the information presented there. That will not be enough to allow for the article to pass scrutiny. Would you be able to take a look at the source rather than simply replacing the original citations? In addition, the hook has not been updated per my request, since it is not supported by the article text. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the cited article and the description for E. perrieri is as follows: Ensete perrieri (Claverie) comb. nov. ; Musa perrieri P. Claverie in Comptes Rendus Acad. Sci. Paris 140 (1905), 1612, nomen, et in Ann. us. Colon. Marseille ser. 2, vol. 7 (1909), p. 74, descr. cum ic. t. 8., this will not serve as a viable source for the passage. I would be most ideal to first consult with the source before using it in the article. I noticed that you and Laffuble had issues with accessing sources, the Misplaced Pages library at WP:LIB, if you have made enough edits, can be a great resource since it has institutional access to several journals that can be of use. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: Thanks for explaining Misplaced Pages Library. Have added quote for hook - is hook OK now? If there are any remaining problems with the description please could you comment in the talk page section below this as it is easier to reply.Chidgk1 (talk) 08:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Chidgk1, I really want to emphasize to you and Laffuble that you should both read the issues I have outlined with the article. Only a few significant edits that I have outlined have been addressed properly, I will break the issues down line by line so that it can be easier to guide you in going about the necessary edits.

1. The text in the original description section has not been changed to match the source. The source was simply replaced, with the passage's text not significantly changed to address the new source. On top of this, Annales du Muśee colonial de Marseille does not explicitly identify this as E. perrieri. Unless the source is beyond a reasonable doubt that it is E. perrieri, it is not the most ideal. I would emphasize that it is most ideal to have the entire section re-written and updated to reflect sources that explicitly include a description of E. perrieri.

Laffuble Are you able to deal with this? If you are at uni maybe the librarian there can advise? I don't think there is any rush now so if you cannot fix it please contact me after Xmas and I will root around in the Misplaced Pages library mentioned above.

1. iNaturalist is not a reliable source. It is a social media site that provides valuable insight, but the information cannot be considered reliable as anyone can upload an observation and provide faulty information.

@Ornithoptera: You are right that most info on iNaturalist is from members of the public so should not be cited, however the few photos which they classify as "research grade" are reliable in my opinion. If you disgree I will be happy to start a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard so we can get more thoughts on it. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I really want to assist this DYK make it through, but I really would like to have all necessary edits be done before I am alerted to allow for it to pass. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Laffuble and Chidgk1, has there been any adjustments to the article since we have had our last conversation? I don't believe there has been any activity since the 30th. In terms of the iNaturalist comment, "research grade" is a meaningless designation exclusive to the site, and has little bearing in many circles outside of that. Compare that concept with "reddit gold" or "subtweet." While it is important in some circles, I don't think it would be a meaningful piece of content for the article, and a statistic that can be in flux if the status of the observations is changed or if another is found. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Ornithoptera:. I am busy now with a GA of mine which is being reviewed. Pretty sure no one else but me will be interested in writing about that coal-fired power plant here in Turkey. Totally guessing but Laffuble might be a student so perhaps busy with studies. Whereas I am surprised no one from the plants project seems to be interested in this - I will ask there one more time. Otherwise I might have time to look at this next week. If none of us have done anything by the end of next week feel free to close it off as out of time. Even if that happens your comments are still useful for the future so I don't think your time has been wasted. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I think that the statements about saving the Cavendish banana are mostly hype. Resistance factors potentially can be obtained from any species of Musa or Ensete, including members of the Musa acuminata AAA cultivar group.

Also, elsewhere I have seen complaints that research grade at iNaturalist is too easily obtained, and can't be relied upon. Lavateraguy (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• The article need to be moved to its scientific name, Ensete perrieri. This is the consensus at WP:WikiProject Plants in general, and in this case in particular, "Madagascar Banana" seems to be a recent invention by publicity departments. Abductive (reasoning) 12:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: Following the improvements by Lavateraguy is there anything more needed for DYK? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Abductive: Unless Ornithoptera says it is essential to pass DYK please can you formally propose renaming on a separate section of the talk page and I will detail my opposition there. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

You don't think the article title going against longstanding consensus is a problem? Abductive (reasoning) 05:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know whether it is a big enough problem to stop DYK - that is a decision for the DYK reviewer @Ornithoptera: Chidgk1 (talk) 07:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Decolonization is Not a Metaphor

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• ... that the title of a paper calling for the return of the United States to Indigenous sovereignty has become a slogan for pro-Palestinian protestors?

• Source: Combination of Indigenous sovereignty was never ceded, and the continued presence of settlers is essentially illegitimate. and which explains how "Decolonization is Not a Metaphor". The paper itself as a primary source also supports the first part of the hook.

• Reviewed:

Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 05:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Thus far, I have been unable to verify that the paper "calls for the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty." Neither of the two sources you cite above appear to support the statement, they just say the paper calls for a stricter interpretation of the meaning of the word "decolonization", which is a very different thing. Gatoclass (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: That's a very good point. What about "views the United States as fundamentally illegitimate?" Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 22:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, you would need a source for that statement. Gatoclass (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: This is very verbose, but what about that the title of a paper describing the continued presence of non-indigenous in the United States as being illegitimate has become a slogan for pro-Palestinian protestors? The claim that settler presence in the United States is supported by the source, the only thing I've done is explained "settler" as being "non-Indigenous" because the average person would be more likely to understand that. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 05:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, a quote from a source confirming the hook statement would be required at minimum. But these suggestions thus far all look a little tortured to me. How about keeping it simple and straightforward, something like:

ALT4: ... that the title of a 2012 academic paper, "Decolonization is Not a Metaphor", has been adopted as a slogan by pro-Palestinian protestors? Gatoclass (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: Sure, that works. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 06:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Having looked a little more closely at the article, I'm not sure your interpretation of the paper is accurate. Certainly, it's a difficult text to come to grips with - at least for me, as it contains a lot of academic jargon that tends to obscure the authors' meaning to a non-professional in the field. But for example, you state: "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate must be redressed by decolonization". Did he really say that? Because I would have thought that if he had, the paper would be more notorious than merely influential. On the other hand, if he is only saying that that's what decolonization must mean, he is simply defining a term rather than arguing in favour of it, and there is a world of difference between the two.

However, since most of the article is sourced directly to the paper itself, without clarifying quotes, it's hard to know whether your interpretation is accurate. I'm not even entirely sure if the paper itself doesn't count as a primary source here, which might also be problematic.

So, is there any chance you could provide some actual quotes from the paper, or better still perhaps, reliable secondary sources that have written about it, in order to clarify the point? Because I think it's obviously an important distinction to get right. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 06:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: The article is far from perfect and I welcome suggestions to improve it as I'm less experienced than I should be with writing from scratch.

I looked into this when you raised it the first time. The closest thing in the text I can find right now is We don’t intend to discourage those who have dedicated careers and lives to teaching themselves and others to be critically conscious of racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, xenophobia, and settler colonialism. We are asking them/you to consider how the pursuit of critical consciousness, the pursuit of social justice through a critical enlightenment, can also be settler moves to innocence - diversions, distractions, which relieve the settler of feelings of guilt or responsibility, and conceal the need to give up land or power or privilege. (emphasis mine)

So, the authors explicitly acknowledge a need for settlers to give up land. Likewise, page 10 of the paper criticizes decolonial scholars that enable "settler moves to innocence". I will likely have to make the article more directly explain what Tuck and Yang said, with better inline citations.

Also, Eve Tuck is a woman with she/her pronouns (at least on her website). Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 07:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: This is a bit of a drive-by comment (I haven't looked closely at the wiki article itself), but as someone from this academic discipline who has often seen this article cited/discussed in the field, I'd say it's completely accurate to say that "Tuck argues that ... because the existence of settlers on stolen land is illegitimate must be redressed by decolonization", that the article "views the United States as fundamentally illegitimate", and that "the return of the United States to indigenous sovereignty" is what "decolonization" ought to mean. The impact of the article is more like "let's stop saying we're decolonizing when we're just close-reading a novel" than it is "let's decolonize the US for real immediately!" but I haven't seen any exaggerations or misinterpretation of its argument here. I do think ALT4 is the clearest and best hook, though. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but we can't base content-related decisions on the testimony of[REDACTED] editors, we need reliable sources to verify content. So again, either clear quotes from the article that the authors are actually endorsing decolonization of the US, or critiques from reliable secondary sources supporting such an interpretation (although other interpretations would also have to be included if they exist to provide balance). Gatoclass (talk) 07:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I have to agree with Gatoclass on this; plus I have some other concerns. What we have here is a summary of the paper, but not anything that meaningfully demonstrates why this topic is encyclopedic. A one sentence line saying the paper is influential isn't going to cut it. We need details on how it is influential and who is claiming it is influential. Additionally, we need to see different critical responses to this paper through quotes in published reviews, both positive and negative to meet our WP:POV policies. The current text relies too heavily on the paper itself which is inappropriate as the paper is the subject and is therefore a primary document in this case. Additionally, it isn't clear that the summation of the paper is entirely accurate and is not an original analysis of the paper which would run afoul of WP:SYNTH. What we need here is more reliance on critical analysis and reviews of the paper, and text which more closely aligns with the meaning in the sources without being so close as to be considered plagiarism. The use of clarifying quotes from the paper could also assist in this (ie let the paper speak for itself in key places). It's a difficult line to walk. Additionally, the current text of the article lacks any meaningful critical engagement with the text; to the point that I would consider this incomplete (ie fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE).

In short, we need a decrease in reliance on the paper itself as a cited reference and an increase in reliance on secondary sources about the paper with more critical engagement highlighted. A significant amount of work is needed before this can pass a DYK review. Aside from this, I think Alt4 is a good hook that is usable. It is verified to the cited reference and is interesting. I think these issues are solvable. Ping me when the article has been improved and needs a second look.4meter4 (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Update. In just doing a cursory look in google scholar, SAGE and JSTOR, there are many articles that cite and summarize Tuck and Yang's paper which could be used to source the summary. There are also multiple publications which respond to the work, both affirming and questioning the limits of its praxis. This type of critical commentary is exactly what is needed in this article. I suggest the nominator rewrite the summary based on these types of secondary sources, and create a critical reaction section. 4meter4 (talk) 04:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@4meter4: Can you link some of those or provide the search terms you are using? Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 08:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I gathered some sources for you and put them on the talk page of the article.4meter4 (talk) 09:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Chess: Given that the issues regarding sourcing remain unaddressed, the nomination will be marked for closure if they are not resolved within a reasonable timeframe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@4meter4: What do you think of it now? I've attempted to remove most of the primary sourcing and included reactions to the paper itself. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 02:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

The summary is too perfunctory to pass WP:DYKCOMPLETE. You have not grasped the main point of the paper, and have not identified who the audience is and what the central problem is which in this case is intimately linked to the audience: educators mostly but also social justice workers who have been influenced by education praxis. The article is fundamentally a critique of education praxis around decoloniality calling out teachers specifically but also social justice workers for engaging with "settler moves to innocence" ("settler moves" is a term; these words go together in this order always) through various forms like "Colonial equivocation", "Free your mind and the rest will follow", etc. You've fundamentally misunderstood this section in some ways because you haven't identified that its educators/social justice workers/activists being addressed as being complicit in some of these practices within their work. Which brings us to the "Ethic of incommensurability" which is the meat of the paper and the first truly original part not based on prior work. You've not talked about this at all, which is not surprising because you never really hit on the earlier identified problem that Tuck and Yang are addressing through this ethic, and who they are encouraging to implement that ethic and why. See the talk page for more comments, but honestly the abstract and opening and concluding sections of the paper are your best resources in crafting a summary. A reminder that you can use clarifying quotes from the paper in the summary. At this point, I'm concerned that you fundamentally are missing basic comprehension of the text because neither your first draft or second draft have demonstrated that you can identify the key terms and conclusions in the paper. At this point we are no closer to being ready for the main page with this particular article. 4meter4 (talk) 06:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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The Man in the Yellow Tie

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• ... that Brandon Routh found it easier to return for The Flash than he did to return for Legends of Tomorrow despite being a regular on the latter?

• Source: https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/11/16/small-victory-brandon-routh-makes-his-dc-return-on-the-flash

• ALT1: ... that the The Flash episode "The Man in the Yellow Tie" concludes a plotline established two years prior on a different show? Source: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a40319869/the-flash-john-diggle-arrow/
• ALT2: ... that for The Flash episode "The Man in the Yellow Tie" both Tom Cavanagh and Matt Letscher reprise their role as Eobard Thawne? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-flash-that-eobard-thawne-twist-in-the-man-in-the-yellow-tie-explained/
• ALT3: ... that the The Flash episode "The Man in the Yellow Tie" guest stars Matt Letscher and Tom Cavanagh as Eobard Thawne and Eobard Thawne respectively? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-flash-that-eobard-thawne-twist-in-the-man-in-the-yellow-tie-explained/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Browning
• Comment: The first source is from a blog interview with Routh.

Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC).

Overall: Great hooks! I think ALT1 and ALT2 are most interesting, though I recommend removing "the The Flash episode" from each for concision/more of a surprising effect. I am approving ALT2 as properly cited as-is. The "two years" claim in ALT1 isn't entirely verified by the currently cited source, but (from the article) does verify it, so I'll say that's also approved.

I am requesting another reviewer take a look at this, since this is my first DYK review. By the way, OlifanofmrTennant, you are free to dispense commas more liberally throughout your (article) prose, which I have done for you here :) Toadspike 18:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Giving a second review as requested above. Verifying that the nomination was done on time, the article was long enough, and is free of close paraphrasing. The done QPQ, however, is slightly incomplete. OlifanofmrTennant forgot to also check for the article's newness (according to DYK requirements) and length. She also forgot to verify the hook and to check if it was cited inline. Given the issues, I would suggest replacing the provided QPQ with a more complete review of another article. More pressingly for this nomination, however, is the sentence verifying ALT2 (the only hook I'd personally approve) lacks a footnote: the relevant footnote is instead located in the next sentence. The ref has to be duplicated for DYK verification purposes. Otherwise, Toadspike did a pretty good job for a first review and I hope he takes the above second review for tips in their future reviews. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I've been holding onto a few other QPQs so here is another: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas (goose) I have taken your advise and rechecked the nomination and everything checks out Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Please make it clear in the original review, making sure to check all the DYK criteria listed in WP:DYKRI. Regarding Thomas (goose), the provided QPQ did not check for article length, only newness, so that has to be corrected for that QPQ to count as well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: amended Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 11:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: is it good to go? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

No, given how the requested re-review that checked all the criteria was still not done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Actually, given the difficulties, I am pinging assistance from an editor like Launchballer, RoySmith, or Theleekycauldron regarding how to assist you in performing more complete DYK reviews. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:33, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 it's not clear to me what the issue is here; could you clarify that? RoySmith (talk) 15:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: The provided QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Browning was an incomplete review, as it did not take into account all of the DYK criteria, particularly with regards to article age or referencing/verification. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Meh. It looks like this was Toadspike's first review. Let's not get all bent out of shape because they didn't do everything right. My suggestion is to just move on and chalk this up as a learning experience. Who among us didn't screw things up the first time we reviewed an article? RoySmith (talk) 01:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: The comments were meant for OlifanofmrTennant, not for Toadspike. OlifanofmrTennant had a number of other similar reviews, so I was hoping that some assistance and guidance could be given to them. If you want, I can re-add the tick, although it might still be a good idea to help assist OlifanofmrTennant so that their future reviews can be more complete. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I think I understand now. Maybe what makes sense is the next time OlifanofmrTennant does a DYK review, they ping a more experienced reviewer to look over their review and give them additional advice if needed. RoySmith (talk) 01:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Would you be able to give them the needed advice and make the necessary changes to their listed QPQ so that this nomination can be reapproved? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

The goal here is to make sure OlifanofmrTennant knows how to do a complete review. Looking at their most recent review, Template:Did you know nominations/Armstrong House (Britt, Iowa), I see they checked the two items in question here: article age and referencing, so I'd say we've achieved tht goal. I'll again suggest that we just move on. RoySmith (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: To be clear, this is approved right? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 09:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 16

Dubai chocolate

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that Dubai chocolate has become so expensive, it is being smuggled and sold on the black market?

• Source: From border seizures to supermarket shelves: Dubai chocolate fever in Hungary, dailynewshungary.com, Man Caught Smuggling 45 Kg Of Dubai Chocolate Over The Swiss Border, falstaff.com, Dubai chocolate a global frenzy: Germans smuggle and queue up for hours in cold for these luxury Lindt bars indiatimes.com, The socials made me do it: The viral Dubai chocolate bar, ladlesandlinens.com

• Reviewed:

Killarnee (talk) 15:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC).

• Comments by Tbhotch

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - See below

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - See below

Overall: A newly created article that is long enough. No QPQ required. No copyvio issues.

• The hook is interesting, but the source in the article says "secondary market", not black market.
• There is a contradiction. The first section starts with "Fix Dessert Chocolatier was founded in Dubai in September 2022". Immediately below it says "Sarah Hamouda, who founded the company Fix Dessert Chocolatiers in the Emirate of Dubai in 2021, claimed to be the inventor of the Dubai chocolate". Ignoring the "Chocolatier(s)" inconsistency throughout the page, this first needs to be fixed.
• I added a few maintenance tags that need to be solved as well. (CC) Tbhotch 02:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: I've gone ahead and fixed several problems with the article, please have a look now. Thanks, jolielover♥talk 08:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

 Reviewing... (CC) Tbhotch 20:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Jolielover: We're missing the secondary market / black market thing. The cited source trademagazin says "The special candy can be bought for up to 250 thousand forints on the secondary market, according to a report by Pénzcentrum." I'm not an economist but the secondary market doesn't sound similar to the black market. (CC) Tbhotch 22:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tbhotch: There is a primary market where stocks are rated and sold by the listed company itself and a secondary market where stocks are rated and sold at the stock exchange by the listed company independent traders like you and me. And there is a black market where illegal goods, goods without paying taxes, etc. are sold. I think the difference is quite clear.

I have no idea why some newspapers use secondary market as a synonym for black market, maybe because of the word "black" like the controversy about the black in blacklist, e.g. . In this case, black market or at least when using secondary market linking that word to the article black market and not the article secondary market, is right. Btw, in German media, black market (Schwarzmarkt) is predominant.

Thanks for your work on that. Killarnee (talk) 03:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. My concern would be WP:DYKHOOK since the hook says "it is being smuggled and sold on the black market", which was what hooked me to review this article. When I reviewed the article it did say that it was smuggled and sold on the black market, but the coupled source (mentioned above) was saying "secondary market", which makes it less illegal and attractive for the general audience (i.e. "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic"). The other sources linked on top of this page just say this: "The smuggling operation unfolded over two separate incidents at the Nickelsdorf", "customs officials at the German-Swiss border stopped a man who was attempting to smuggle around 45 kilograms of the coveted 'Dubai chocolate' into Germany", "products from other brands with both the original Dubai chocolate and its many variations fetching high prices on the resale market", "Limited-edition bars are commanding exorbitant prices, with some enduring long queues and even resorting to smuggling", and the most relevant statement, "Dubai doesn't ship to the U.S. and there is a black market for these chocolate bars now, at exhorbitant prices" from this source that is not used in the article. Both the hook and the article must be in synchrony to be approved. (CC) Tbhotch 03:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I think the hook is an overbording claim if it remains without an indication as to where this would be- the German Swiss border, maybe....! In fact checking how "expensive" it is, it isnt any more in Germany, and the claim apperas to be sensationalizing and not neutral.Wuerzele (talk) 18:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I was going to make a similar comment to Wuerzele here, the article reads slightly promotional, with sentences like "She aimed to create chocolate bars that combined unique textures and flavors, focusing on the filling to set her company apart from competitors." There are other prose issues, such as not specifying which border is meant both times the word is used and never explaining what kadayif is. This source , which appears to be unreliable per WP:FORBESCON (written by a "Brand Contributor"), also does not verify the statement that bars are 100g, which is contradicted by the paragraph right above it. Taken together, I am not sure if this article is presentable enough for the main page at the moment. Toadspike 20:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why not include the photo in the hook? Surtsicna (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jolielover: Any updates to the comments above? (CC) Tbhotch 02:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 17

Hooks ALT1 and ALT2 are approved. ALT5 is also approved with an online source given here and an offline source cited in the article, accepted in good faith. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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Sigma Boy

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that the song "Sigma Boy" is effective as an alarm tone?
  • ALT1: ... that the song "Sigma Boy" has been claimed to be effective as a wake-up alarm tone?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ryusei Nishioka
  • Comment: Not sure if this hook is bad or very bad. But it may work for April 1. (Hopefully I’ll come up with something better.)

Moscow Connection (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC).

• @Moscow Connection: In case you weren't aware, DYK rules changed a few months ago to require QPQs at the time of the nomination, rather than up to a week after. As such, please provided a QPQ promptly, as the nomination may be closed without further warning if one isn't given. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Okay, sorry. Give me 30 minutes. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Done. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• The article was fresh when nominated and it meets the length requirements. I see plenty of citations, a bit too many in fact. I do not think that we need 18 citations for a single sentence. Funnily enough, there is also a citation needed tag in the article. The article needs a bit of copy-editing to look more encyclopedic (e.g. "don't"→"do not", "guys with fluffy hair"→possibly "young men with a broccoli haircut"). Is one anonymous video game player's mocking of a haircut encyclopedically notable? I see nothing about an alarm tone in the article and the proposed hooks do not strike me as interesting anyway, but there is plenty of material in the article for very interesting hooks. For one thing, the fact that the performers are 11 and 12 years old is attention-grabbing. Then there is the bit about brain rot and the use of "sigma boy" to catch the attention of non-Russian speakers. Moscow Connection, it is unfortunate that you did not nominate Betsy (Russian singer) for DYK alongside this nomination. I would suggest creating an article about Maria Yankovskaya, if she meets Misplaced Pages's notability standards, and adding it to this nomination. Surtsicna (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

  The part about an alarm tone was deleted by an IP editor, I've just reverted it back in: . --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

  Frankly saying, I was afraid the Betsy article was not good enough for a DYK. As for Maria Yankovskaya (or Maria Iankovskaia; that is the spelling she uses), she does meet the notability criteria but she is not as famous as Betsy. And she is more of an actress / TV presenter than a singer, her article will be harder to create. (There's a biography on VokrugTV.ru . And now "Sigma Boy" entered the charts, so she is notable. But other than that, she wasn't in the news much yet.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

  I will look into it. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

  I have changed "don't" to "do not" and "guys" to "young men". But "fluffy hair" is basically the name of the meme. And it is not the same is a "broccoli haircut". --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

  Okay, I will create an article for Maria Yankovskaya. Give me a few days.
  It won't really matter if she or Betsy are nominated for DYK or not. We can still add links to them, they just won't be in bold font. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

More bold links means more views, i.e. more people reading about the topic you wrote about. It is not a requirement, of course. Surtsicna (talk) 08:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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Articles created/expanded on December 24

2024 drone sightings

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that news outlets reported drone sightings in August 2024 over US military bases in Germany, well before the major wave of sightings in the US in December 2024?

• Source: https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/08/29/drone-sightings-near-bases-infrastructure-unnerve-german-officials/

• ALT1: ... that news outlets reported drone sightings in November 2024 over US military bases in the United Kingdom, well before the major wave of sightings in the US in December 2024? Source: https://www.twz.com/air/multiple-drone-incident-just-occurred-over-usaf-fighter-base-in-england
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Boxheim Documents

Sm8900 (talk) 15:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC).

• This article is largely a piece of original research, combining sources that make no mention to other events. Its scope, as relates to the US sightings, is redundant with 2024 Northeastern United States drone sightings. Regarding UK drone sightings, it utilizes the deprecated Daily Mail (WP:DAILYMAIL). Regarding the German sightings, maybe there's something there. However, I'm not seeing enough sustained coverage to clear WP:NOTNEWS right now. Make some corrections, remove the bad sources, and make the scope more precise. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti:, I appreciate your valuable feedback. I have revised the article, and added citations from reliable sources, as you requested. I would welcome any comments on the revised version. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: At the minimum, you must also appropriately link and bold the article you are nominating in both proposed hooks. Please do that and I'll look over the article again. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti:, ok, sounds fine.  Done thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Sorry to be a grinch, but there are still outstanding issues. I have, as a courtesy, bolded the link in your hook. The other issues will be listed below:

1. Citations are awkwardly spaced. Since you are an experienced editor (if not necessarily an experienced DYK nominator), I will ask you to fix this substantial formatting issue.
2. The scope of the final section is, with the exception of the California arrest, fully overlapping with the other drone sightings article. That portion ought to be summarized more succinctly.
3. Cutting down on redundant coverage may cause a length issue; consider adding further content on the German sightings and more clearly tying them and the UK sightings to the US events.
4. You oscillate between "US" and "USA" within your hooks. Please pick one for consistency.

Please let me know if you require further guidance. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti:, ok, as requested; 1) fixed spacing between refs. let me know if further work is needed. 2) made section on US events more concise. 3) added signficant additonal facts and details to section on Germany. 4) used US consistently. I hope thats helpful. Please free to continue your helpful feedback. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Sm8900, seems fine to me. is in no way an adequate QPQ review, so I have struck your inclusion of Template:Did you know nominations/Boxheim Documents above. You need to do a complete review of an article (Boxheim Documents, which is all done except for a hook disagreement, is not appropriate), and be sure to address all of the DYK criteria (newness, meets size requirement, hook interestingness and sourcing and length, article sourcing, etc.). See the reviewing instructions and the guidelines for further information. Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

ok, no problem, glad to help. reviewed. C/1975 T2 (Suzuki–Saigusa–Mori). thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Formally requesting a second opinion due to the uncertainty about this article. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sm8900: I was going to review this, however the article has an {{updated}} tag and would deserve a {{lead too short}} tag and probably {{globalize}} and {{notability}} tags. The cited QPQ is also massively incomplete and needs to address all of the criteria at WP:DYKRI. I will close this in a week if these aren't fixed.--Launchballer 18:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, no problem, i understand. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 21:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 25

Scorsese Baby Daddy

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that SZA named a song after a well-known crime film director, but did not expect him to know about it hours after release?

• Source: Centeno, Tony M. (December 24, 2024). "SZA Freaks Out After Famed Director's Family Co-Signs Song from Lana LP". WHYI-FM. Retrieved December 26, 2024.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Crabs for Christmas

Elias 🦗🐜 07:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC).

• Comment I'm gonna suggest an alt, if you don't mind :).

  ALT1 ... that a song about desiring an emotionally unstable boyfriend is named after Martin Scorsese?

Di (they-them) (talk) 11:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - While the hook seems true, the source attached here doesn't explicitly support some of the facts. It doesn't verify that Scorsese is known for crime films (just films in general) nor that SZA didn't expect him to find about it (just that his daughter (and potentially him) found out about it). It's possible his daughter posted the story without sharing the song with him. "SZA was shocked after she received the Scorsese family's blessing." could be partially implied to mean this, but I'd still prefer a more direct statement to confirm.
• Interesting:

Overall: Overall, the article presents no problems. Reliable sources exist, the paragraphs are cited, it's new enough, long enough, and there's no copyvio. ALT2 reads as more interesting to me, but it would also need a valid source as the linked one doesn't support the "emotionally unstable boyfriend" portion. I'd be more than happy to approve if this part is resolved. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 26

Algemeyne Entsiklopedye

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that a group of Jewish refugees continued work on their Yiddish encyclopedia after fleeing from Germany and France?

• Source: Trachtenberg, B. (2006). Di Algemeyne Entsiklopedye, the Holocaust and the changing mission of Yiddish scholarship. Journal of Modern Jewish Studies, 5(3), 285–300. https://doi.org/10.1080/14725880600961601

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Esus
• Comment: This was published slightly over a week ago, but since I took some time to expand it recently, I hope that will still be okay.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC).

• I am not a stickler for a day of so difference, although I can't speak for the senior mods. Date, size, refs, copyvio spotcheck, QPQ, are good. I do have concerns over the hook. The article does not mention Poland anywhere. Frankly, the lead and article suggest that they escaped from Germany, then France. Unless this is clarified in the article, the hook should be adjusted to Germany and France. And it probably should mention the Holocaust or WWII for context; the reader may be confused otherwise. Please ping me if any replies are made here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• @Piotrus: 'facepalm' complete goof on my part, it was extremely late when i wrote this hook and I had just written about someone who had fled germany and poland - fixed lol Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
  • @Generalissima: Then we are good, although I still think the hook could be better of mentioning WWII or The Holocaust for context. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Generalissima, please ping when the numerous tags in the article (part of the ongoing GA review) are resolved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Viriditas: Thanks for the ping, and sorry I missed your response beforehand. This looks good to go now. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Crabs for Christmas

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that "Crabs for Christmas", a song about a man asking Santa Claus for crab as a Christmas gift, became a Maryland holiday tradition?

• Source: Worthington, Aliza (December 12, 2023). "The enduring Baltimore charm of David DeBoy's 'Crabs for Christmas,' more than 40 years after initial release". Baltimore Fishbowl. Retrieved December 25, 2024.

• ALT1: ... that a radio station refused to air "Crabs for Christmas" due to its use of the Baltimore accent? Source: DeNike, Lisa (December 14, 1981). "His Christmas record won't make him crabby". The Evening Sun. p. B7. Retrieved December 25, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
• ALT2: ... that the writer of "Crabs for Christmas" joked that it contributed to Baltimore's population decline? Source: "Our very own Bawlmer, hon, has been immortalized on CD". The Baltimore Sun. November 25, 2001. Retrieved December 26, 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mahra Al Maktoum

charlotte 06:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC).

• Hi. Made a copyedit here before my review; feel free to revert some of the changes if you don't agree with them

Overall: AGF on all the offline sources. Baltimore Sun review has no citation though so you would want to fix that. ALT2 is interesting, but a bit misleading -- it does not convey the jocular nature of the writer's comments. The rest are also fine, although I recommend rewriting them as well to bring out more of their hookiness. Elias 🦗🐜 07:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@PSA: thank you for the copyedits. I'm unsure what you mean by the review being unsourced; the quotation is in the cited source ("His Christmas record won't make him crabby"), although it is a stretch to call it positive, so I removed that from the lead. I've replaced "said" with "joked" in ALT2 and would welcome any copyedit on the hooks. charlotte 04:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hm, first off my bad for the "unsourced" comment. Second, my issue with ALT0 right now is that it is a bit too wordy. Perhaps you can trim the hook so that it just focuses on "a song about crabs as a Christmas gift". That's all I have for now Elias 🦗🐜 05:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27

2024 Estlink 2 incident

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that during investigation for breaking a power cable, pumping out feces and bilgewater from the Eagle S took a day?

• Source: https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/e58cc4ca-ea73-4173-86aa-1b7d50f7055a

Kyseiset huoltotoimet kestävät arviolta kaksi päivää.

• • ALT1: ... that the nomination wizard doesn't have an option to delete alt hooks? Source: a
  • Reviewed: no previous DYK's

NotAGenious (talk) 17:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC).

• Hi @NotAGenious: nice work on your first DYK. This article, over 5x expanded from 775 to 11062 characters, is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, and copyvio-free. QPQ not needed. The hook is interesting and sourced to the Finnish newspaper Iltalehti (which checks out, per Google Translate), however per WP:DYKHOOK the claim in the hook also has to be in the article. Can you add this fact somewhere in the article?

The hook also flows flows a little awkwardly. Might I suggest

• ALT1: ... that during investigation for breaking a power cable, it took a day to pump out all the feces and bilgewater from the Eagle S?

Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 01:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know how long this procedure typically takes, but I feel sorry for the guy who has to inspect all that bilge and sewage. kencf0618 (talk) 16:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• I think the start of the hook has a grammar issue, may I suggest:

ALT2: ... that while investigating a power cable failure, it took a day to pump all the feces and bilgewater out of the Eagle S?

The word "failure" can be exchanged with "break" or "outage" if preferred. Toadspike 08:27, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Overall: --3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 28

Special Operations Brigade (PLA Navy Marine Corps)

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that on May 5, 2017, the 7th Marine Brigade (pictured) captured three Somali pirates and handed them in to the Somali authorities?

• Source: https://v.cctv.com/2018/03/22/VIDEQJ2yQiV34653c5RL9wDN180322.shtml

• Reviewed:
• Comment: The draft was made by me, User:Buckshot06 published it for me

Additionally 7th Marine Brigade is an alternate name for the Special Operations Brigade (PLA Navy Marine Corps), also known as the Jiaolong commandos as of nominating it for Dyk, the article was published exactly 7 days ago so if i have to may I request the 7 day limit be extended

Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

• Note: I have replaced the word "police" in Thehistorianissac's potential hook with the word "authorities." There is no single Somali Police - most are a bunch of clan militia; most are a total mishmash of various feuding armed groups. The information available is not sufficient to even guarantee that the persons concerned were handed over to the Somali Federal Police, the bunch that exploits and rapaciously profits from the security needs of the inhabitants of Mogadishu. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Buckshot06 or Thehistorianisaac, the link in the hook should be in bold text. Also, if this hasn't been reviewed by Friday next week, ping me and I'll review it. Toadspike 16:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

{{Buckshot06}} There is a {{cn}} tag in the article and the third paragraph of History deserves another. Please fix these. When you've done that, ping me and I will review this.--Launchballer 18:21, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - There is a citation needed tag in the lead (can be cited to the OE Watch source) and an uncited sentence beginning with "Sixteen". CGTN is deprecated (see WP:CGTN), so it should be replaced with a better source. It is unclear if the CCTV video is an appropriate source, since the same entry at RSP says that "CCTV International" is also deprecated. The other sources look good; the National Interest piece mentions the Somalia incident as well, in case it helps.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - See sourcing issues above – you should probably change the source in the DYK nom to the SCMP article, since that is a more reliable source.
• Interesting:

Overall: Gonna list a few things here, apologize for the rapid-fire writing style. I believe no QPQ is required, as neither nominator has nominated 5 DYKs. Is there a source for the claim that the soldier in the picture is a member of this unit? As the article is currently written, it is unclear if the April 2017 and 5 May 2017 incidents are the same or not. SCMP says they are, this should be clarified. The article also claims that the pirates were handed over to the Somali Police Force, when the description of the CGTN source says they were handed over to the "semi-autonomous northern region of Puntland" – Buckshot correctly adjusted this to "Somali authorities" in the DYK hook but the article text needs to be updated too. Toadspike 20:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Buckshot06 and Thehistorianisaac, please see the review above and ping me once these issues are adressed. Launchballer, apologies for stealing the review – I started it earlier today only saw your comment when I caused an edit conflict while trying to publish it. Toadspike 20:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Helvis of Ramla

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that Helvis of Ramla was the progenitor of the powerful crusader Ibelin family?

• Source: Hans E. Mayer, "Carving up Crusaders: The Early Ibelins and Ramlas", in Outremer: Studies in the History of the Crusading Kingdom of Jerusalem Presented to Joshua Prawer, ed. Benjamin Z. Kedar, Hans E. Mayer, and R.C. Smail (Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi Institute, 1982), p. 111.

• Reviewed:

Adam Bishop (talk) 23:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC).

• For a long time I have been considering creating this article. Helvis is mentioned rather frequently by the leading historians of the crusades, especially by Mayer. The reason I did not create the article, however, is that I could not find evidence of in-depth coverage. All I could gather was genealogical information, and this is all I see in the article now: a list of her family (parents, brothers, husbands, sons) in which she is covered as a link between various men. Is anything known about Helvis's actions? Surtsicna (talk) 13:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
  • I was thinking about creating it for a long time as well, and I had the same problem. I wasn't sure I should list it here, since you're right, there's not much about her aside from genealogy. The most that seems to have been written about her is by Hans Mayer, about the possible dates of her birth and marriages. I will see if I can squeeze any more information about the sources I have at hand. Adam Bishop (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Adam Bishop: This seems like an unambiguous WP:NOTINHERITED violation as the article talks about little other than her marriages. Am I missing something?--Launchballer 12:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

No, I suppose it was a premature nomination. I'll see if I can expand it in the future but for now this is the best it's going to be. Adam Bishop (talk) 17:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 29

Bonnie Blue (actress)

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• Article history

• ... that the pornographic actress Bonnie Blue (pictured) attributes her success with married men to their wives?
  • ALT1: ... that for three weeks in 2024, Bonnie Blue (pictured) allowed men to have sex with her for free on one condition?
  • ALT2: ... that the OnlyFans creator Bonnie Blue (pictured) began producing content with 18-year-olds as she felt that the platform's existing content was not authentic or educational enough?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/German atrocities committed against prisoners of war during World War II
  • Comment: There are some great hooks in this. There's a bit in the video I got the image from where she said her shortest scene lasted nine seconds and it's a crying shame it isn't due.

Launchballer 04:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

• Comment I think the facts about her being banned from Australia and Fiji are really interesting/crazy so I want to suggest some alts if you don't mind:

  ALT3: ... that Bonnie Blue (pictured) was banned from multiple countries because of her porn career?

  ALT4: ... that Bonnie Blue (pictured) was banned from multiple countries because she had too much sex?

Di (they-them) (talk) 14:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

"Multiple countries" would need an end-of-sentence citation for Australia. That said, "that Matty Healy is banned from Dubai" was the most-viewed non-image hook of May 2023, so perhaps a bald ALT5: ... that Bonnie Blue (pictured) is banned from Fiji?--Launchballer 15:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I reworded the sentence in question, so either ALT3 or ALT4 could be trimmed at 'countries'.--Launchballer 04:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, sourced enough (althought some international coverage might be a nice addition), is neutral and is plagiarism free (just quotes from Earwig). Hooks are cited, and interesting. Image is free to use, and is clear, CC BY checked on Commons and YT. QPQ is done. On the hooks, I think "... is banned in Fiji" is a good one - I feel like 'multiple countries' implies several (i.e. 3+), not two places. Lajmmoore (talk) 12:11, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

ALT5 appears to be unduly negative for a hook. Pinging another promoter AirshipJungleman29 for thoughts. SL93 (talk) 20:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I think ALTs 3–5 violate WP:DYKBLP SL93. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

That's a shame, I'd agree with 3-4, but I thought 5 was OK as its brief, and avoided gratuity. Happy to support consensus though! It's so interesting how interpretation of the guidelines differs between people Lajmmoore (talk) 21:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

This discussion seemed to skip over the first three hooks; they have neither been approved or rejected. Could someone assess them?--Launchballer 23:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer I can if you want me to, but I didn't because barely anyone has been promoting nominations that I have been involved in and barely anyone else have been building preps. SL93 (talk) 01:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

No preference.--Launchballer 02:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Their Highest Potential: An African American School Community in the Segregated South

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that a 1996 book was written about an African-American high school that was later added to the National Register of Historic Places in 2018?

• Source: https://www.dncr.nc.gov/news/press-releases/2018/04/10/national-register-adds-six-north-carolina-historic-places

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Science Fiction Chronicle

SL93 (talk) 01:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC).

• ALT1 ... that Their Highest Potential: An African American School Community in the Segregated South is based on a series of 100 open-ended interviews with former students, teachers, and parents over a six-year period? SL93 (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. Earwig is clean and QPQ done. ALT1 is not interesting (it's always going to be based on something) and ALT0 is irrelevant and I have cut it - what else have you got? Also, infobox needs adding per WP:DYKCOMPLETE and a proper lead wouldn't go amiss either.--Launchballer 13:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

... that Their Highest Potential: An African American School Community in the Segregated South shows the positive side of segregated schools as written by a student who was taught in one? SL93 (talk) 14:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer Before coming across this title, I would have never thought of segregated schools based on race having positives. This is my first time seeing someone use DYKCOMPLETE to refer to an infobox. I have expanded the lead. SL93 (talk)

"Reasonably complete" is nebulous to the point of otiosity, so I'll let it slide. ALT2 is much better but I don't see an end-of-sentence citation for it.--Launchballer 15:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I added a citation after " As a former student and the daughter of one of the school's long-serving teachers, Walker approached her research as an endeavor in "historical ethnography," which emphasizes the group's culture and perspectives." The other one is after Walker's quote about "affective traits, institutional policies, and community support". SL93 (talk) 15:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Launchballer SL93 (talk) 15:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Is this ready? SL93 (talk) 21:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to keep you waiting on this. ALT2 checks out partially AGF.--Launchballer 14:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on December 30

Tesseropora rosea

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that the picky rose barnacle (pictured) will only eat when the current is strong?
  • Source: : "T. rosea feeds in different ways, extending the cirral fan only in response to the fast water currents. Thus, T. rosea cannot survive in areas with a low current velocity."
• ALT1: ... that rose barnacles (pictured) eat barnacle larvae?
  • Source: "In adult T. rosea, the largest proportion by far of the gut contents comprised small crustaceans A number of cirripede nauplii were also present."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lilium nobilissimum

Cremastra (u — c) 21:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC).

• Article was recently expanded to the requisite extent. Citations are sufficient. Hook ALT0 is interesting enough, and the image is good to go. QPQ is done. All seems in order. Nice job! ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Chauburji (Agra)

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that the Chauburji (pictured) might have been the original place of burial of the Mughal emperor Babur?

• Source: Nath, Ram. "Babur's Innovations". History Of Mughal Architecture. Vol. 1. pp. 115–119.

• ALT1: ... that the Chauburji (pictured) was converted into a residence by a British official, who destroyed the western wall of its nearby mosque to convert it into a gateway? Source: Raza, Mohammad Abdullah (2020). "Chauburji Monument at Agra: Its Plan and Inspirations". In Sinha, A. K.; Rizvi, S. N. R. (eds.). History: Past and Beyond. New Delhi: Anamika Publishers and Distributors. p. 143.
• ALT2: ... that the Chauburji (pictured) built during the Mughal period, was converted into a residence by a British official? Source: Raza, Mohammad Abdullah (2020). "Chauburji Monument at Agra: Its Plan and Inspirations". In Sinha, A. K.; Rizvi, S. N. R. (eds.). History: Past and Beyond. New Delhi: Anamika Publishers and Distributors. p. 143.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zoe Smith

AmateurHi$torian (talk) 08:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC).

• Review for original hook ALT0:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - One primary (offline) book source used, with a little-used second source, so article is close to WP:ONESOURCE.

Overall: Plagiarism cannot be checked with offline source; hence AGF. An article for a building of such historical significance shouldn't rely on just 2 book sources, which IMO is not enough to establish notability. Are there really no other reliable sources that refer to its significance or notability? -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 22:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

@P199: Sources on the building are hard to find. I've added a couple other sources, though none of them cover it in as much detail as Nath and Raza. -AmateurHi$torian (talk) 23:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I am not looking for more sources that are as detailed as the books by Nath and Raza. But you could and should add reliable sources that demonstrate its notability and significance, like government tourism websites. What about sources in the local languages? -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@P199: Added ASI's official website listing the monument, and some Hindi news sources which discuss the current encroachments surrounding the monument. -AmateurHi$torian (talk) 15:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for adding more sources. No need to hold up this DYK any longer. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 16:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31

Antoinette Lubaki

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• Article history

• ... that Antoinette Lubaki is considered to the first artist in Congo to create works on paper?

• Source: https://awarewomenartists.com/en/artiste/antoinette-lubaki/

• ALT1: ... that Antoinette Lubaki is the first known named female artist from Congo? Source: https://awarewomenartists.com/en/artiste/antoinette-lubaki/
• ALT2: ... that Congo's first named woman artist Antoinette Lubaki painted her watercolours by candlelight at night, as no stories were allowed to be told during the day? Source: https://awarewomenartists.com/en/artiste/antoinette-lubaki/
• Reviewed:

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 13:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

• Hello I will review this. New enough and long enough. Please could you check the edits I made.

I cannot find the original and ALT1 hooks in the cite above. Re ALT2 source says 'It is said that ...." so ALT2 would have to be modified but I would still find it interesting. Would you like to suggest an ALT3 based on ALT2 or shall I? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Nice article - awaiting your response to above and my edits Chidgk1 (talk) 16:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks! would below work for an alt 3. ALT3: ... that it is said that Congo's first woman artist Antoinette Lubaki painted her watercolours by candlelight at night, as no stories were allowed to be told during daylight? Source: https://awarewomenartists.com/en/artiste/antoinette-lubaki/ MumphingSquirrel (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

That looks better - I would just like to tweak slightly to

ALT4: ... that it is said that Congo's first named woman artist Antoinette Lubaki painted her watercolours by candlelight at night, as no stories were allowed to be told during daylight?

@MumphingSquirrel: Ah I see now that the original and ALT1 hooks are supported by other cites in the article so if you prefer you could modify them. Also please could you cite or remove the 2 statements I tagged in the article. Hi, @Chidgk1: cites added. Happy to go with ALT 4

@MumphingSquirrel: Thanks for citing her other name. Sorry for being picky but I am not sure I am allowed to approve ALT4 myself as I wrote part of it, so I have asked for second reviewer to approve it. Also I am not sure that youtube vid is a reliable source - the second reviewer might also be able to comment on that. Do you know whether "KCongo Art" who made it are reliable? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:35, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Requesting second reviewer to finish off - very little more to do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidgk1 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: have removed "KCongo Art" as has been made private. Was created by an arts organisation but can't check it for details now as access has disappeared. Thanks for your help! MumphingSquirrel (talk) 19:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Julier Pass

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• Article history

• ... that the peak of the Julier Pass, 2,284 metres (7,493 ft) above sea level, is flanked by two ancient Roman columns? Source: https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/008811/2018-01-30/
  • ALT1: ... that the Julier Pass was the first Swiss alpine road paved with asphalt? Source: https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/008811/2018-01-30/

Toadspike 15:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC).

• There are several other images in the article which might be interesting as an image hook – if the reviewer thinks the engraving of the Roman columns is more interesting than the photograph, then we could go with that one. Alternatively, perhaps a hook could be made about the theater tower, which has a heap of cool photos on Commons. Toadspike 15:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• A way to phrase "meters above sea level" more concisely would be appreciated. Toadspike 15:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• New enough (expanded Dec 31), long enough (1100 B → 8800 B), no copyvio (Earwig says 10.7%, and all paraphrasing seems fine), well-sourced. Both hooks verified in source, but ALT0 is much more interesting. Image is free and clearly depicts a column on a mountain. I think this photo is better than the older illustration. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 23:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 1

WLOK (Ohio)

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• Article history

• ... that Hugh Downs began his broadcast career by walking into the lobby of an Ohio radio station on a whim? Source: Broadcasting - 5 Feb 1990 - page 103
  • Reviewed:

Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 03:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

• Pinging Sammi Brie for input here (and possibly to review the nomination) since, as it stands, the current hook doesn't seem to meet WP:DYKINT considering it's reliant on knowing who Downs is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
  • I was wondering if that'd be the case about the hook (it's my idea). I do not review Nathan Obral nominations and vice versa since we are very frequent collaborators and I sometimes provide assistance to his articles. Here's a possible ALT1: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that staffers of an Ohio radio station learned it had been sold on the same day its owner died? ( + )

• • I support this ALT1 from Sammi Brie, by the way, and would be fine with it being the primary hook. Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 21:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Yup. ALT1 should be more broadly interesting compared to the original. ALT0 has been struck. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Article is new enough, long enough, and well-sourced. Earwig came back with 0.0% on every link (first time I've seen that) and a spot check of a handful of the newspapers.com refs showed no cause for concern. Hook is interesting and sourced to (two separate instances of) a reliable source. ALT1 is good to go for the Main Page – Nathan Obral nice work on this article! DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Bridget Jones: Mad about the Boy (novel)

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that the title of Helen Fielding's third Bridget Jones novel, Mad about the Boy, was inspired by a Noël Coward song?

• Source: McClurg, Jocelyn (1 June 2013). "Helen Fielding opens up about new Bridget Jones book". USA Today. Retrieved 1 January 2013.

• Reviewed:
• Comment: This is timely as the movie based on this book is going to be released in February 2025.

Blackballnz (talk) 05:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC).

• It is quite surprising that it took us 12 years to get this article, but it is timely indeed. It is new and long enough. Earwig warns of a "likely" copyright violation but I do not see it. Perhaps rephrase a bit just in case. I do not see any bias either. I think that, given the ample coverage, we can have secondary source citations for the entire Plot section despite it not being required per MOS:PLOTSOURCE, and of course the Film adaptation section needs another citation for the last paragraph. I also think that far more interesting hooks can be produced from this article, spoilery and non-spoilery. Surtsicna (talk) 12:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that the 1990s romcom heroine Bridget Jones is widowed in the Mad about the Boy novel, with a film to be released in February 2025?
• ALT2: ... that a revelation about the 1990s romcom heroine Bridget Jones in the 2013 novel Mad about the Boy caused an outcry among the fans?

I think either of these would attract more interest. Surtsicna (talk) 12:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Surtsicna. I also was surprised that there was no article about this novel, and I was prompted to write it by the upcoming film. I will make those changes that you suggest. I'm not sure about calling Bridget Jones a "1990s" romcom heroine, as she seems to be better known in the films which started in 2001. How about combining the death of Darcy & the upcoming film -

• ALT3: ... that fans of romcom heroine Bridget Jones were shocked at the death of a favourite character in the 2013 novel, Mad about the Boy, and then again in the 2025 film?

I can add a sentence to the film page about fans being shocked about Darcy's death, as it isn't currently there and there are plenty of references.(Actually, the film page refers to Darcy appearing as a ghost, which isn't supported at all, so I will fix).

I've made those changes - is there anything else I need to do now? Blackballnz (talk)Blackballnz (talk) 21:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• All the information from the hook should be in the nominated (bold link) article. I have thus copied the line about the film fans' reaction to the novel. I do like and recommend ALT3. Let's see how it fares on the Main Page! Surtsicna (talk) 09:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Fossils of Finland

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• Article history

• ... that fossils have Finland?

• Source: https://www.google.ru/books/edition/Precambrian_Geology_of_Finland/3D5R3vexH1sC?hl=en&gbpv=1

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fossils of Finland
  • Comment: hello!

DogWorldLive64 (talk) 10:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC).

• Hello and welcome to DYK. Right now, Fossils of Finland is only 235 characters long, far below the 1,500 character minimum requirement. The article's wording is also in need of a copyedit. As this appears to be your first nomination and English doesn't seem to be your first language, we can be lenient and give the article a week to be brought up to standards. If you need any assistance, please do not hesitate to ask for advice over at WT:DYK. Good luck! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

It has been almost a week since the nomination, but the article has not made any edits to the article, nor did they properly respond to the above. As the article is nowhere near a state appropriate for DYK and also now has a notability tag, this nomination is marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@GeorgiaHuman: has beefed this up to 899 characters. Would you be interested in expanding further?--Launchballer 11:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Launchballer: I see that you proposed the article for deletion (which DogWorldLive64 then removed). Maybe an AFD is needed to address the notability concerns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

It seems to me that the DogWorldLive64 profile (used to create/nominate this title) has primarily been used for disruptive editing. And, while "the creator also engaged in vandalism" is not strictly one of the WP:DYKRULES, three of the five WP:DYKAIMs are to: 'showcase' new/improved/quality content, to 'acknowledge' the work of the creating editor, and to 'encourage' such behaviours and recruit others to do the same. Personally I don't think DYK nom is one that deserves/warrants 'showcasing' or the related behaviours should be 'acknowledged' or 'encouraged'. Whatever about an AfD, I think this DYK should be closed/rejected. As an extension of WP:DENY. Guliolopez (talk) 15:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Which would be a good point, however this was started off by that user as a 200-odd character stub and would now be eligible as a 5x expansion by a different user. (It's currently just over 1,400; might finish the job when I'm feeling less spaced out.)--Launchballer 15:29, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 2

Elisheva Biernoff

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• Article history

• ... that Elisheva Biernoff paints recreations of found vintage snapshot photographs, including details like lens flare and overexposure? Source: The New Yorker: "Working from found photographs—snapshots—Biernoff creates works that match, in size, scale, and color, what she sees in the original images." Artforum: "For more than a decade, Elisheva Biernoff has painted exquisitely uncanny trompe l’oeil re-creations of vintage found photographs. Taken as a group, the snapshots on which she bases her works are of no great distinction. Some feature a failure of some kind—overexposure, lens flare, water damage, the accidental intrusion of a foot into the frame, or the glaring reflection of a flash on glass or mirror."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Hangover (Suzanne Valadon)

Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 3

Wielka, większa i największa

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• Article history

• ... that Polish 1960 sci-fi novel Wielka, większa i największa was very influential for Polish young adult literature? Source: multiple scholarly sources, with several quotations, all grouped in the section 'Milestone in Polish youth fiction' (but I am afraid all in Polish and few digitized, I was working with scans for the most part...).
  • ALT1: ... that Polish 1960 sci-fi novel Wielka, większa i największa was very influential for Polish young adult literature and has been a compulsory or recommended reading in Polish schools for many decades? Source: for additional sources regarding compulsory/recommended status, see 'Awards and recognition' section
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Organization of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
  • Comment: 2nd hook is longer but contains another interesting claim, plus most English readers are probably not familiar with the concept of compulsory reading...

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

Swim School

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• Article history

• ... that a Swim School song described by one reviewer as "a heavy dystopian doom rocker" was originally by Taylor Swift? Source: https://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/swim_school_on_expanding_their_sound_during_lockdown_and_their_upcoming_deb
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

Launchballer 18:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC).

• Everything looks good. Would rewrite hook to note that this was a cover. My first read of this suggested the song was only authored by Swift but not part of her discography. Otherwise, looks pretty good! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I thought that "originally by" indicated that it was a cover, but would ALT1: ... that a Swim School song described by one reviewer as "a heavy dystopian doom rocker" was originally performed by Taylor Swift? work?--Launchballer 22:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Approving both. Thank! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

2024 Masyaf raid

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that during an Israeli raid in Masyaf in September 2024, soldiers who participated in the operation described the blast that destroyed a missile production facility as "a mini earthquake"?

• Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/120-commandos-deep-inside-syria-idf-reveals-daring-raid-on-iranian-missile-factory/

• • Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/120-commandos-deep-inside-syria-idf-reveals-daring-raid-on-iranian-missile-factory/

Chomik! (talk?) 05:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC).

Overall: Well-sourced article with appropriate images Munfarid1 (talk) 13:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Munfarid1: I added a citation to the article and a shorter alt hook. Chomik! (talk?) 14:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, now it's ready to go, preferrably with the shorter hook ALT1, even if this will take some time. Munfarid1 (talk) 15:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 4

Taur Ikhbeineh

• Comment or view
• Article history

• ... that at Taur Ikhbeineh in the Gaza Strip archaeologists found evidence of interactions between Egyptians and Canaanites in the 4th millennium BC?

• Source: "The presence of both locally manufactured Egyptian and Canaanite wares undoubtedly implies that two potters' workshops operated respectively side by side at Taur Ikhbeineh or somewhere nearby and, consequently, as a result of close cultural interaction in that region, a distinctive local pottery repertoire ("Besor group") was augmented"

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Colin Platt

Richard Nevell (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

• propose a slight alterations to your hook:
  • ALT1: ...that at Taur Ikhbeineh in the Gaza Strip, Palestine, archaeologists found evidence of interactions between Egyptians and Canaanites in the 4th millennium BC?
• The reason is to give a better indication of location's country to international readers, to provide wikilinks, and to add an extra comma.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 04:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Overall: I wasn't able to access the source. Richard Nevell, can you provide the quote from that source? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 04:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC) Passed.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 15:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

@Vice regent: Thank you for suggest ALT1, it looks good to me. The quote supporting the hook is "The presence of both locally manufactured Egyptian and Canaanite wares undoubtedly implies that two potters' workshops operated respectively side by side at Taur Ikhbeineh or somewhere nearby and, consequently, as a result of close cultural interaction in that region, a distinctive local pottery repertoire ("Besor group") was augmented"

To be honest, I had wanted to to something about it being the earliest evidence but beyond the title of the paper ("Taur-Ikhbeineh: Earliest Evidence for Egyptian Interconnections") it wasn't especially clear. Maybe the paper was written for people with enough familiarity with the region and period that once the dates are laid out it becomes blindingly obvious that Taur Ikhbeineh is the earliest, but I don't have that expertise and was left floundering a bit. Richard Nevell (talk) 11:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Alright, we're good to go. Please ping me or write on my talk page if you need anything else.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 15:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Bugia (candlestick)

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• ... that the bugia, a ceremonial candlestick used by Latin Catholic Bishops or other prelates, gets its name from an Algerian port city famous for its exportation of candle wax?

• Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bugia

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Assmann

Maximilian775 (talk) 18:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

Overall: The article was nominated for DYK within seven days of being created and is long enough. The article is adequately sourced, neutral, and is free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing. Hook is interesting. Image appears to be freely licensed, is used in the article, and is clear at 100px. QPQ is done.

However, I don't feel that the hook is adequately cited. The statements that bugias are used by "Latin Catholic Bishops or other prelates" and that Béjaïa is "famous for its exportation of candle wax" do not appear to be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source.

I would also suggest a small reword of the hook so that Béjaïa is mentioned by name and is not pipelinked, with WP:EASTEREGG in mind. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:13, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Mattythewhite -- Do you know if DYKs can have multiple sources? I think to fully prove the whole DYK here a few need to be daisy-chained together, and in searching there doesn't seem to be a defined policy. Maximilian775 (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• ALT1... that the bugia, a ceremonial candlestick used by Latin Catholic bishops or other prelates, gets its name from the Algerian city of Béjaïa, which was a source of candle wax?

• Source:https://archive.org/details/na00john/page/74/mode/2up

@Maximilian775: I'm not certain but I assume that more than one source is fine. The ALT1 hook looks fine to me. However, I can't see any mention of bugias in the source? Also, I think the main body of the article needs to mention, with a source, the use of bugias by Latin Catholic Bishops, as it's currently only in the lead.

@Mattythewhite: just edited the source URL, it was referencing the wrong page.

As to mentioning bishops, the "description" section mentions cardinals and patriarchs, and the "usage" section mentions the Pope and assistants at the papal -- all 4 of these persons are as a rule, almost always bishops. Maximilian775 (talk) 22:22, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@Maximilian775: Okay, happy now to approve ALT1. Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

I strongly recommend removing "or other prelates". It's bloat. DS (talk) 05:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Jama Masjid, Hyderabad

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• ... that the Jama Masjid was the first congregational mosque in Hyderabad?

• Source: Campbell, A. C. (1898). Glimpses of the Nizams Dominions. pp. 168–169. Close to the Char Minar, on the left of the main r o a d, approached by a very narrow lane, is the Juma Musjid, erected by Sultan Mahomed Kuli in 1598. This is the oldest musjid in Hyderabad.

• ALT1: ... that the Jama Masjid was the first mosque to be built in Hyderabad? Source: Campbell, A. C. (1898). Glimpses of the Nizams Dominions. pp. 168–169. Close to the Char Minar, on the left of the main road, approached by a very narrow lane, is the Juma Musjid, erected by Sultan Mahomed Kuli in 1598. This is the oldest musjid in Hyderabad.
• ALT2: ... that the inscriptions of the Jama Masjid, Hyderabad "may compare favorably with the best calligraphic specimens of other countries"? Source: Yazdani, Ghulam (1921). Epigraphia Indo-Moslemica, 1917-18. Calcutta: Superintendent Government Printing, India. p. 43. The bold sweeping curves and fine, crisp vertical and horizontal stroke of these inscriptions exhibit art of a high order and they may compare favourably with the best calligraphic specimens of other countries.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Emmanuel (emu)

AmateurHi$torian (talk) 15:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

• The article falls short of a fivefold expansion even when I count the lead section, which repeats information from the rest of the article. Therefore it does not yet qualify for DYK. Surtsicna (talk) 16:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: This version when I started the expansion had 789 characters (136 words), and the article now has 4154 characters (703 words), according to DYKCheck.AmateurHi$torian (talk) 17:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

You are right. I only see 3442 characters when the lead is not counted, however. Would it be possible to add 500 more? I would also suggest improving the citation style; rather than putting all the citations at the end of the paragraph, try putting them right after the sentence to which they relate. I am looking forward to reading a bit more about the masjid. Surtsicna (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: Article is now 4718 characters (will be approximately 4000+ when the lead is excluded) according to DYKCheck, and I've added inline citations within paragraphs.AmateurHi$torian (talk) 00:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, AmateurHi$torian! I started with a source spot check. Citation #4 does not seem to cover the first paragraph of the first section (coincidentally where the hook comes from), unless I am missing something. It explicitly says the opposite, that it was not the first mosque, and it does not mention "congregational" at all. Surtsicna (talk) 23:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: Ah, I've just noticed that Sherwani calls the prayer-hall in Charminar a "mosque". This interpretation would make the Jama Masjid the second mosque of the city, so I'll strike the first two hooks. I've altered the article to the same effect. The word "congregational" is used in the second paragraph, and the source for that is #5 (Bilgrami) already cited within the paragraph, who calls it an assembly mosque. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 00:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Alternate hooks can be ALT3: "... the short height of the minarets of the Jama Masjid, Hyderabad might have been deliberate, in order to emphasize the loftiness of the nearby Char Kaman and Charminar?" or ALT4: "...the the Jama Masjid was one of the first mosques to be built in Hyderabad?", the source for both these hooks being Sherwani p. 30 and 29 respectively.AmateurHi$torian (talk) 00:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Fixed the issue with the first paragraph and a couple other citation issues.AmateurHi$torian (talk) 00:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

So far so good. The article is now clearly sufficiently expanded. It is certainly comprehensive and well sourced. I should also note that the expansion is recent enough and that I have not detected any close paraphrasing. I think there is an even more interesting hook hiding in the article:

• ALT5: ... that Wolseley Haig noted that it was not the "city's huge mosque" but the "far less pretentious" Jama Masjid that served as the congregational mosque in Hyderabad?

I believe this would be the most successful of the proposed hooks, but it should be approved by another reviewer. Your thoughts are obviously welcome, AmateurHi$torian. Surtsicna (talk) 13:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't have any issue with ALT5. Thanks for taking the time to review this :) AmateurHi$torian (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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Extrasolar planets in fiction

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• ... that the majority of extrasolar planets in fiction are inhabited by native species?

• Source: "more than half the fictional exoplanets are located in the habitable zone, are places where human characters can breathe, and are home to native life"

• ALT1: ... that extrasolar planets in fiction come in a variety of shapes, including flattened, cubic, and toroidal? Source: See the sources in the "Exotic shapes" section.
• ALT2: ... that most extrasolar planets in fiction are Earth-like, but this has become less common since real exoplanets have been discovered? Source: See the sources in the "General characteristics" section.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Niftski
• Comment: Plenty of other hooks could be written, if none of these seem ideal.

TompaDompa (talk) 23:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

Overall: New enough (GA on January 5, 2025); Long enough (11061 characters); Within policy - sourced, neutral, copyvio-free (Earwig returns "Violation unlikely"); Hooks are cited and interesting; QPQ provided. This is quite an interesting read :)

Cloak n Dagger

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• ... that the Airbnb homestay where a song was recorded by Glaive and Ericdoa was dubbed by fans as the "Hyperpop Hype House"?

• Source: Pitchfork

• ALT1: ... that fans of Glaive and Ericdoa dubbed the Airbnb recording location of a song as the "Hyperpop Hype House"? Source: Pitchfork
• ALT2: ... that fans of Glaive and Ericdoa dubbed the recording location of "Cloak n Dagger" as the "Hyperpop Hype House"? Source: Pitchfork
• Reviewed:

Locust member (talk) 20:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

• New enough GA. Nominator is QPQ exempt. The hook fact is correct and in article. I am concerned, and this is for the promoter, about a MOS:SEAOFBLUE issue with both "Hyperpop" and "Hype House" linked, and I really do not know how to resolve it as both seem to need linking. A second issue could be resolved by unlinking "homestay" in ALT0. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
  • I did think about that, but I believe per WP:SEAOFBLUE it could pass as it only states "When possible, do not place links next to each other", though in this case, it would not be possible, as the source states it in this way. I agree that "homestay" could be unlinked in ALT0 (didn't even catch the sea of blue error in the article), but I don't think we can do much about it in the quotes.
    • Adding a note that the hook fact is indeed inline-cited in this article. I've gone ahead and unlinked "homestay" in ALT0. We may be stuck with the SEAOFBLUE for "Hyperpop Hype House" if that is indeed the case, since we are using a quote. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Ernesius

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• ... that Archbishop Ernesius was sent to Europe to request help for the Kingdom of Jerusalem, but barely survived a sea storm and did not dare set sail again?

• Source: Hamilton, p. 133

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Helvis of Ramla

Surtsicna (talk) 14:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

• Most things look good, but can you (1) provide a footnote at the end of the sentence which reads "The prelates were driven...", and (2) can you see if the following hook is appropriate? If ALT1 is true to the facts, can you make sure it is properly cited in the article (e.g., is it the Mediterranean we're talking about)? Arbitrarily0  02:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that twelfth-century Archbishop Ernesius attempted to cross the Mediterranean Sea with two other bishops, but was thwarted by a severe storm?

Thanks, Arbitrarily0! Footnote duplicated. ALT1 is certainly true, but there is no source saying they were crossing the Mediterranean. That would basically be WP:CALC for there is no other sea for them to cross. Perhaps a combination of ALT0 and ALT1 might be most interesting? Surtsicna (talk) 10:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Archbishop Ernesius and two other bishops attempted to reach Europe by sea, but were driven back by a severe storm and did not dare set sail again?

• On second thought, I don't think we need a source to identify the sea with the Mediterranean. He was bishop over Caesarea Maritima, after all. But do you have a reason for not wanting "twelfth-century" included? There needs to be some more context for the hook to become interesting. The other concern I have is about "daring" to set sail again. That's not quite what the source says: "none of the passengers would consent to risk again the perils of the deep." Allow me to propose ALT3. Arbitrarily0  14:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• ALT3 ... that Ernesius, the twelfth-century Archbishop of Caesarea, was once prevented from crossing the Mediterranean by such a severe storm that he refused to make a second attempt.

Arbitrarily0, I think a more concise hook is likelier to hold readers' attention; ALT3, in particular, is over the character limit. I also must confess that I do not see the difference between "did not dare" and "would not consent to risk again the perils", but the ALT3 wording is fine with me. Surtsicna (talk) 14:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Having shortened ALT3 slightly, everything checks out. But, for what it's worth: if someone "does not dare", it means their primary motivation against acting is fear. But "not consenting to risk" is different. It could mean that someone thinks, in a rational, unemotional manner, that the costs do not outweigh the gains. That said, feel free to keep making a case for your original hook; we can also get someone else's opinion. But ALT3, at minimum, is good to go. Thank you, again, for your work on this article. Arbitrarily0  16:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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WPTD

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• ... that an Ohio TV station bribed ABC to obtain a network affiliation only to lose it within the year? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/dayton-daily-news-dayton-case-abc-aide/125912816/ and https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal-herald-switch-aug-31-wkef/125918720/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joy to the World (Doctor Who)

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC).

Overall: Article GA'd same day as nom and definitely long enough. No policy issues as far as I can tell. Hook is sourced, very interesting, and extensively covered in the article. QPQ done. Good to go; well done, as always! Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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