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- Mailer Diablo 03:09, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Giants-Dodgers Rivalry

That's what the rivalry should say, not "S.F. Giants vs. L.A. Dodgers". It should follow the informal "standard" used with these: Yankees-Red Sox Rivalry and White Sox-Cubs rivalry. I think some anon set it up that way. I will probably move it sometime in the next few days, if no one else does. d:) Wahkeenah 17:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Any objections to renaming the article? Wahkeenah 13:51, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Dodgers

Great work on the Dodgers article. Keep it up! --Dysepsion 07:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I find the wording confusing. Moses' plan was not "realized" until 1964, when Shea Stadium was opened. And the Mets themselves were not Moses' plan as such, just the ballpark... in conjunction with the 1964-65 World's Fair, whose plan was also Moses', as I recall, and of which Shea Stadium was a part, albeit on the other side of the tracks from it. Wahkeenah 18:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks good now. :) Wahkeenah 05:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Vin Scully

I didn't write that part. I saw it, and wondered what the point was. Scully's not an independent commentator. He's paid by the ball club. They hand him a script that talks about upcoming games, he's expected to read it. End of story. Anyone who didn't know about the impending strike was an "ignoranimous". And right up to the last day, people were at least hopeful it could be averted. So I think whoever wrote that either has something against Vin Scully or more likely wasn't around at the time and doesn't know that the strike was not necessarily a foregone conclusion. Wahkeenah 05:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if I was unclear, but I meant to address the second part of that message to the user who had added that paragraph. I agree with your assessment, and would not mind if you wanted to remove it. --Tisco 05:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I realized that later. It was late after a long working weekend. :) Regarding the Scully comments you beat me to it, and that's fine. And you improved the stuff I added about the ballparks and the nicknames. Good work.

Ithaca, NY. Don't they have a waterfall there, possibly right on campus? Wahkeenah 11:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Playoff Appearances

One down and twenty-nine to go. That user "FPAtl" took it upon himself to do that redundant entry on every one of the major league baseball sites. Wahkeenah 17:17, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

DYK controversy

Hi. I've never really been involved in any decency/censorship debate before; I just got drawn into this one accidentally because I have Talk:Main page on my watchlist and I pretty regularly check the main page for poorly-worded entries. I don't actually care that much about the issue, I just get annoyed by smug self-righteousness (which where decency/censorship is concerned can be found on both sides of the debate). If you want to start a policy discussion on Talk:Main page you can try; but I doubt you'll get anywhere. Cheers. Doops | talk 19:06, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Cheese edit

"...although an alternate source for "cheesy" may be the practice of "saying 'cheese'" (see below) while smiling for a photograph — an essentially phony act."

That sounds good and I like it; do you have a source? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't. In fact, it was an original thought of my own, occurring to me as I contemplated my son's "cheesy" smile in pictures. I've seen a website or two in which the smelly cheese theory is proposed, but it seems to me that they're guessing as much as I am. --Tisco 01:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

That's too bad. I took it out, per Misplaced Pages:No original research. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Conceded that my theory is only common-sense speculation, with no scholarly backing, but is the smelly theory any different? The answer may be yes, but I'm interested in it. All I find on Google is some guy who may or may not know what he's talking about, and admits that the answer is uncertain. If I wrote a non-Misplaced Pages page of my own with my theory, would it no longer be unpublished research? I won't try to revert, but I'm curious. --Tisco 05:48, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I came across the smelly theory here , in the linguistic page cited at the end of the paragraph. The answers to your questions, I think, are subtle arguments involving good-faith attempts to really not do original research. It's true that I can't claim the page I'm pointing to has solid scholarly backing or proof (hence the waffle-word "might" in the Cheese article). But I didn't have any theory in mind regarding the origin of cheesy when I came across that page; I wasn't fishing to justify a personally-held theory. (I was actually researching "Big Cheese" at the time) and so I felt that it was reasonable to include that information in the article; the source certainly seemed to be more of an expert on slang than myself.

Putting your own page out there and then citing it would, intuitively, be a bad-faith act unless if you did some heavy research and cited some primary sources in that page, or if that page were (somehow) to go through scholarly or scientific peer-review (something unlikely to happen for this topic, I admit.) Then you also get into the topic of what kind of things are "valid" sources - a quagmire in shades of gray that tries to judge the authority of a particular site, magazine, or book.

Even when you are writing something perfectly obvious to yourself in wikipedia, it's always better to find (and cite) a source. One reason is to impress everyone else around here :-) Another reason is to fact-check. And a third reason, my favorite, is that you can learn a lot doing the research.

Sort of an aside, but it occurred to me that it should be researchable at least whether the slang "cheesy" was in use before or after "say cheese." If before, it immediately discredits the say cheese theory as the primary etymology. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. --Tisco 00:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

LugerDoesntKnow (et al) report on WP:RFI

Think I've now blocked all the accounts involved (including, but not limited to, the ones you reported). Please do report any others you come across. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Petros471 10:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well if just one or two articles are being hit you can request page protection, but other than that I think we generally block accounts as they appear. That sort of report is fine for RFI, though now an established trend has been shown you might want to try WP:AIV, with a note explaining many previous socks have been blocked for same edits (to stop the report being removed because of lack of warnings or similar reason). You can also message me if you see I'm online, as again I know the pattern now so will block on sight. Btw, all those accounts have already been blocked by others. Cheers, Petros471 19:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually on second thoughts it might be possible to request a checkuser (another shortcut: WP:RFCU) and if an underlying IP is being used by all accounts have it blocked. However, that won't work if the user is using a dynamic IP ISP. Petros471 19:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Starting a line with an asterisk

Try doing an edit here and look at the following:

*This line starts with an asterisk...

Enjoy!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 16:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! --Tisco 21:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Caltech Hovses

Hi, Tisco!

I'm a Lloydie, and I've taken an interest in the article about the student hovses. I notice that you did the lion's share of the work when the present article was created by merging seven separate articles into one. So I have a few questions for you.

• In recent discussions, there is some support for moving the general information (about rotation, and the evolution of the current house system) from the end of the article nearer the beginning (so the sections about the individual houses would come last). Do you have an opinion one way or the other on that?
• Do you want to be involved in any significant restructuring of the article? Or are you more interested in other things now?
• Lately the images of Hovse crests have been disappearing (and sometimes reappearing) at an alarming rate. The image-bots keep complaining that copyright information is incomplete, or wrong, and the images get wiped out, but then they often get uploaded again in just a few days, sometimes by anonymous users with Caltech IP addresses. Was that happening when you were working on this article?

Please write back, either here or on my talk page. Thanks for your time, and have a great day! DavidCBryant 21:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi David. I do appreciate hearing from you. I really didn't introduce much content to the Hovses page; I learned that they were threatened with being deleted altogether, and took steps to move the debate in what I thought was the right direction. So I don't have much to add at this point, though I don't mind giving advice.  :) As someone who finds interest in the organization of Misplaced Pages pages, it seems to me that the Hovses page is good in its current configuration. Background and evolution of the current system are already at the beginning (perhaps they could be in a "Background" subsection), and more esoteric details like Rotation and memberships is towards the end. So I'd vote for the status quo on that point. --Tisco 01:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

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Your moves and mergers of territories

Thanks! I've been itching to do that for a while, but I've been a little hyperfocused on getting United States to FA. Again, thanks. Here's the notes I was keeping about the merge:

1. United States territory - unsourced, malformatted, largely redundant
2. United States territories - malformatted & incomplete dab page
3. Incorporated territory - largely redundant, half of article's a list
4. Organized incorporated territories of the United States - Largely redundant, esp with the below
5. Organized territory - Largely redundant, esp with the above
6. Unorganized territory - Only partially merge - Census section should be left as is, new page should be pointed to with template:for

There's still probably some good work to be done. Let me know if you need a hand. MrZaius 14:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I think I'm about done for now. Perhaps what I've done will make the tasks you outline more tractable for you. More work can also be done to consolidate the text now thrown together in territories of the United States. My one comment on your list is organized incorporated territories of the United States. I created that page, and I think its list both is useful to have and belongs on its own page. I also just now created Unincorporated territories of the United States, which contains a timeline that was formerly on the main territories page. Another article you should be aware of is insular area. I have avoided this article because I don't understand the meaning of the term, though I think it may be synonymous with unincorporated territory and thus should also be folded into the main article. --Tisco 15:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've done a bit more and found some more to do. Here is my set of points:

1. I think United States territory is interesting if it remains narrowly focused on the topic of what parts of the world are and are not under U.S. jurisdiction. But I don't mind being overruled by a more motivated person.
2. As I said, I think organized incorporated territories of the United States should remain, with its comprehensive list of such territories, their dates, and some more information that pertains specifically to them.
3. Here is yet another article: Commonwealth (United States insular area). This, along with insular area, should be incorporated into territories of the United States and/or unincorporated territories of the United States (if indeed the latter article with its timeline should remain separate).
4. I just found territorial acquisitions of the United States, which it seems should be merged with territorial evolution of the United States.
5. I also just found overseas expansion of the United States. This perhaps should remain, with unincorporated territories of the United States being merged into it.
6. Just to note, the other pages you mention are now redirects to territories of the United States.
7. Concerning unorganized territory, I don't think it should be a separate page from its plural. Better would be to create a page called Unorganized territory (U.S. Census) for the Census meaning, redirect unorganized territory into territories of the United States, and put a seealso there.

--Tisco 15:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Brandenburg Navy

Thanks for pointing that out Tisco, you must have looked very carefully at the article to spot that. The source for that particular piece of text is translated and then reworded from the corresponding article in the German Misplaced Pages; while other wikipedias are not allowed to be sourced, the note at the bottom allows people to know that some, techically unsourced information exists in the article. The corresponding German article was atypically verbose, and that part was something I found rather difficult to understand. Therefore, that particular piece of text which you see is my very best interpretation of the translation. However, since you dispute it, you should take a look at the German Misplaced Pages article about the subject. The link for the article can be found near the bottom, under the References section. I hope that you can perhaps understand it better than me, and maybe you will even be able to "translate" more of the article (parts I could not actually put into coherent English) to add to the en.Misplaced Pages. Thanks, and I hope I have adequately cleared the matter up. Anonymous Dissident 06:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Your Edits to House of Windsor

mmmmm. I think Paliament doesn't look very favorably at such "holding court". HMQ can call herself by any name she wants providing she gets approval from Parliament. HMQ certainly doesn't get that approval by "holding court". The whole paragraph is a nonsense. In 1917 George V, changed his name and that of all his decendants to Windsor by Act of Parliament. No need for "holding court" - the law says that all decendants of George V are Windsor. The only way of changing that is through repeal and a new act. Please consider edits to Misplaced Pages pages very seriously. I know that this particular paragraph has been copied from[REDACTED] several times and is just plain bullshit. Mike33 18:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Upon further research, I may have been mistaken about the Order-in-Council (I can't confirm it, other than from elsewhere in Misplaced Pages). However, the rest of the paragraph is certainly not nonsense. George V changed the name of his male descendants to Windsor. The fact that, under the usual rules, the house's name should change but will not is worth noting. --Tisco 19:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't want an edit war (i have sought clarification on the matter from buck ho. awaiting reply). I'm not a lawyer but male includes Charles (prince of wales) who was born before the queen ascended the throne. It is just mad to suggest that a decree overides parliament. Please dont repost the paragraph. Mike33 20:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I should have said George V changed the name of his descendants in the male line. Under the usual rules, Charles should have his father's surname, but he doesn't. That's my point. I see you haven't reverted my revised edit, and I hope you will not. --Tisco 20:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, now you have. Your claim that there was an act of Parliament in 1917 is unsourced, and the source I cited implies it is not true. You also need to support your argument that the change applied to all reigning monarchs and their descendants, rather than all agnatic (male-line) descendants of Queen Victoria, as my source states. I will give you some time to clarify the issue before I edit again. --Tisco 20:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

USUAL RULES? what usual rules? parliament decides what a king or queen can do. there are no usual rules. Mike33 20:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, the rule that a son takes his father's surname and is considered a member of his father's house. My questions to you still stand. --Tisco 20:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)