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Haha... damn. Dude, check it. I looked at tuition, it's more than twice the cost for out-of-state students. Over $11k/semester for UMass Boston! Lara❤Love 19:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It's only $4k for me to attend UNC Greensboro. Bah. Lara❤Love 21:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Three things:

1. Trebuchet MS > Veranda
2. Close yer font tags
3. 'at's mine box, k?

Will 22:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Three things:

1. What's Veranda? Regardless, Verdana > All.
2. Negative. See #1.
3. Good to know who to give credit for the laughs to. The construction is nice, though. Lara❤Love 02:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

A veranda is a porch. Always misspell the font's name. Still, I love Trebbie for some reason. And if you really want to laugh at rollback, that userbox used to have an associated category ;) Will 00:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

So 2 five year-olds are walking through an apartment complex. One looks up and says, "Holy shit. There's a condom on that veranda!" His friend looks at him and says, "What the fuck is a veranda?" the_undertow 00:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha, OMG, what fucked up kids live in OC? Haha. But yea, I know what a veranda is, I was just being facetious. :p Lara❤Love 06:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, LaraLove

Please restore move protection sysop only as well :)

-- The Helpful One 20:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Beat me to it! :)

The Helpful One 21:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ya, dude. I know. These are separate steps, each taking a moment in time. I was literally like 2 minutes deep into the 2 and a half minute process. Thanks for the note, tho. Lara❤Love 21:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

COI question

Hey, hi...I know that I am not allowed to contribute to article on myself Dana Ullman, but am I allowed to contribution to the Discussion page and to response to questions raised there? Also, at my Discussion page is an old COI reference, but because the previous article was entirely deleted and a new one was created, I had NO involvement in the present article. As such, is it possible and fair to ask someone (you?) to remove the COI reference? Dana Ullman 01:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You are most certainly allowed to edit the talk page of your article. Just don't get into any contentious discussion. I'll look over the possibility of removing the banner. Lara❤Love 02:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You have three edits to your article, the current version. Two from August and one from November. For that reason, the banner must remain. Lara❤Love 02:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

He's allowed to edit the article about himself, IIRC, same restrictions. Elonka's done it with her's. And personally, I think the talk has enough contentious discussion even while the subject was banned. One stubbing of a BLP and the hounds get all over you... sheesh :/ Will 02:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Will. Dana is actually on restricted editing while I mentor him. So it's a different situation. Lara❤Love 02:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It's also a question of what is wise, not just what might be allowed. Using the talk page is allowed and avoids raising any suspicions. Editing the article will always raise suspicions.

This is a touchy one as regards COI. Inserting content to one's own writings and using Misplaced Pages to increase notability is a very slippery slope. Again, the talk page is the safe place to discuss it, but editing the article in such a situation is dynamite. -- Fyslee / talk 04:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Is this posted at AN/I or something? He's on editing restrictions as part of the mentorship deal. He's allowed to edit all talk pages, but not certain articles. Using his own work is allowed as long as it meets WP:RS. I've got it under control. Lara❤Love 04:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I haven't posted it there. I was just mentioning it to you. Since you are his mentor (and I'm sure you don't want to become an "accessory to the crime"...;-), I'm sure you will give him a royal chewing out so he doesn't get anywhere near such a dangerous matter as a COI issue of promoting or posting his own material. You represent Misplaced Pages, not him (IOW you are not his "defense attorney"), so your duty is to advise him, not to protect him. I'm sure you do have it all under control, so good luck. Love your user page! -- Fyslee / talk 04:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

BTW, the only reason I even knew of his existence is because he was uncivil to me. His comment didn't even make sense, since I didn't do or say what he criticized. It was a rather weird comment, and he was chastised accordingly. I then checked him out and found out he was a banned user with a COI (advocacy is not allowed here) as regards editing anything related to homeopathy, and that you had adopted him. I hope he doesn't take you down with him. That has happened before. Good luck again. -- Fyslee / talk 04:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Where is his mentorship deal located? -- Fyslee / talk 04:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey hi Lara...First, to clarify something about the article on me Dana Ullman, this article was stubbified in December, and all of my minor contributions were deleted. I have not contributed to this article since it was re-created. I'm a clean machine, and it seems that the COi notice has no real meaning any more. As for Fyslee's statement about me being "uncivil"...actually, I didn't criticize him personally at all; I criticized his argument. I believe that people who harp on the smallness of the homeopathic dose are missing the point, and I wrote that it is akin to saying that the atomic bomb was a placebo because of the "smallness" of an atom. It ain't the size; it's the motion that makes the atomic bomb (and the homeopathic medicine)! I was not uncivil. Heck...I even greeted him (and I meant it). Dana Ullman 05:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, Dana. I'll have to look into it for you.

Fyslee, I'm not really sure what you mean by "royal chewing out". I don't lay smackdowns on my adoptees. I also just stated above that he's allowed to provide self-references in his talk page discussions about content as long as they meet WP:RS. And I realize I'm not his defense attorney, but I also realize that he's not on trial. I have respect for him and I understand his frustrations. It takes time to learn and adapt to WP policy, especially when it comes to COI. It must be a very difficult situation to have an article about you that you can't really contribute to. I also feel it must be extremely difficult to handle the frustration of having every edit you make to the mainspace reverted, usually by the same editors, regardless of the article, which could leave one to assume that some stalk his contributions.

As far as your diff, considering what he puts up with, I don't find it uncivil. I think he's handling the stresses he's under here pretty well. I don't understand Homeopathy or the related issues, so I stay out of most of the discussions, but I chime in when I feel like either he or another editor needs to be reminded of some things. But I find most of the discussions to be utterly ridiculous. But don't worry about me going down. Like I said, it's under control.

And the deal is in his inbox. Unless he deleted it. Lara❤Love 05:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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Help stopping Harassment from User:One_Night_In_Hackney

Lara, this guy and some friends have taken it upon themselves to harass me all day over various articles, including an article about me, Thomas Lessman. The article was written by someone else, and I corrected some inaccuracies (like what City I'm in). When references were requested, I provided them. This User:One_Night_In_Hackney has mentioned on his talk page and others that he is targeting the article because he is mad at me for reverting some of his unwarranted edits. And he just keeps going. What can be done when another editor is harassing you and making it personal? Thomas Lessman (talk) 04:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you provide diffs of these comments he has made regarding you? Lara❤Love 04:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "Diffs", but I think I can provide them. Which comments of his are you referring to, he's made quite a few on Talk:Thomas Lessman, the Admin noticeboard and others. If he posted legitimate grievances and gave opportunity to correct or improve, that would be different. But he's not accepting anything presented to satisfy his demands nor is he showing any signs of being willing to compromise. And his attacks keep getting worse. Thomas Lessman (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Stop forum shopping. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha, you're accused of harassment and then you follow the guy here. Classic! the_undertow 04:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thomas, by diffs, I mean links to the edits he's made regarding you "on his talk page and others". Your request has already been rejected at AN/I, which I saw right before you posted to my talk page, but I'll look into the possible personal attacks and/or harassment. Lara❤Love 04:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You could start with this ("But for this Hackney idiot to call it a "vanity article" is beyond stupid, especially when this guy suddenly gets a hard-on to attack and harass me for no reason") and this ("I really think this Hackney guy just has too much spare time and a grudge against me."). Check my edits to the article, they are all above board. Check the talk page where I explained why the sources weren't acceptable, check them for yourself as they don't source the information in the article. Check the history of the article too, another editor agreed. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

For the record, this has already been dealt with at WP:ANI. I am going to say here what I said there. Ignore each other. Leave each other alone. Don't defend yourself, don't explain yourself, don't do anything. Once either of you stops, this goes away instantly. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I agree. Considering it's two sided, if you can't both let it go, which ever one keeps it up will be blocked while the other goes on about his merry way. Lara❤Love 04:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

help

Hi, I am under discussion for a community ban. See . All in all my experience on Misplaced Pages hasn't been great and I want out, but want to clear my name first. Can U help? Abridged 01:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm too busy to read a bunch of mess. Cliff's Notes the situation for me. Lara❤Love 01:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

You have a clear block log. The editor campaigning for your ban certainly does not. Give me some details, I'm interested now. Lara❤Love 02:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

This guy Adam Cuerden called me an "uncritical promoter of homeopathy". I consider this a personal attack because I am not uncritical, am not using[REDACTED] to promote anything and don't have any interest in promoting homeopathy, just in describing it as a way to help me learn more about it. If you look at my mainspace edits, I think I've done helpful work in the area. I improved a lot of biographies by adding cites, taking out stuff which seemed promotional, etc. Anyway, I asked him to retract his attack. He said, basically, well I'm sorry if you took offense but you are an uncritical promoter of homopathy. So I showed him some diffs to show that I wasn't, and he blew this off too. So I did a user conduct RFC because I thought that was the next step. Skinwalker wrote there that I should be disciplined for my abuse of the system and many endoresed. Then Fill wrote that I should be banned, someguy named science apologist started a sectoin on this, and many people have now endorsed this. I am kind of fed up, but I just want to clear my name so I can leave on a good note. Abridged 02:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm wondering if this is a case of using the wrong forum for this complaint. the_undertow 02:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What we have here is a typical example of the perp playing the victim. Skim through this for the full story (you can scroll towards the end as the first part isn't easy to follow). Raymond Arritt (talk) 03:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Perp? —Whig (talk) 03:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Dont start this shit on my talk page. I'm looking over the situation and posting to the talk page of the RFC. Unless I've missed something substantial, the ban proposer and all who endorsed should be ashamed of themselves. Lara❤Love 03:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Danek?

Wasn't that Timothy Leary? Or am I missing something... --Closedmouth (talk) 02:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I have no idea where I got Joseph Danek. I've used that quote for years on MySpace. I think I got it off someone else's profile in a message board. Anyway, thanks! Lara❤Love 04:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Great quote, by the way, I agree entirely. --Closedmouth (talk) 06:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

For the record

While Abridged has not had an RfC, Whig has had two:

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Whig Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Whig 2 Adam Cuerden 04:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not talking about Whig. I'm talking about Abridged. Lara❤Love 04:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Eh, fair enough, but Whig was a full collaborator in this, and he should have known better. Adam Cuerden 04:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Where is the smackdown that should have been laid down for all this apparent disruption? Lara❤Love 04:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm considering weighing in after review but I noticed that you here reviewed an unblock request and declined after Whig stated that while he and Adam were in a content dispute, Adam indef blocked him. Would you be willing to state why you declined unblock in that situation? I'd be interested in your input. Thanks. Wjhonson (talk) 06:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Because I discussed it with admins in the admin IRC channel and was told that considering his ArbCom restrictions, I should direct him to that email. Lara❤Love 06:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I've never been under ArbCom restrictions. —Whig (talk) 06:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ugh, okay. Well, unbanned and on probation. Lara❤Love 06:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I have never been on probation. —Whig (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh em gee. Apparently, I misread the page. Regardless, I blocked the day after a handful of admins commented on the talk page that ArbCom should handle it. Also, I discussed it with other admins before handling it. So I'm not concerned with this particular action. Lara❤Love 07:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I am, but I'm not angry. You should have said something to me and I would have explained. You just told me to e-mail the arbcom. Which I did, and waited quite a while longer to have my out-of-policy block lifted. —Whig (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, your reply was not the first one, that was at the end when Mercury asked my block to be listed and resumed mentorship shortly thereafter. I should not have said that and I apologize. —Whig (talk) 07:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

It's fine. Don't worry about it. Lara❤Love 07:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hope you can look at my edits with a fresh eye, anyhow. Adam Cuerden has wanted me banned for a long time. —Whig (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

We seem to be talking at cross-purposes, as I don't think Abridged should be banned. Perhaps mildly cautioned, or given a bit of advice to get out of recent unhelpful behaviour. Whig's the only one of the two who has a really strong case against him, IMO. Adam Cuerden 06:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to bed

But here's my peace out comment for the night. As I stated a few times, my concern is with Abridged. She's the one that came to me requesting I review the situation. In that she has a clear block log, she has not yet exhausted the community's patience. Perhaps the patience of a few editors who do not share a like POV with her, but not the community. The same cannot be said for Whig, and I have no interest in getting involved. So it's unnecessary to continue that part of the discussion on my talk page. In fact, pretty much everything here is also somewhere else. So perhaps let's just keep the discussions on their respective pages. I'm watching them all and have been participating, so there's no need to copy said comments here. Lara❤Love 07:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Whig is under 1RR and Civility restrictions, but they're community ones. Have a look at the new RfC, first quote. Adam Cuerden 08:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Responses to HoserJoe concerns

Responses to your legitimate comments at my talkpage have been left. Further actions have been taken. --VS 07:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)