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heifer pageant

Hi. I have a question for you at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Miss Pakistan World. Thanks! Morenoodles (talk) 05:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I'm still a little puzzled. I'm also puzzled by the literal-mindedness by which my title for this section is now presented within the AfD page as evidence of some belief (indeed, "COI") ascribed to me that the participants are heifers (rather than that the beauty pageant industry to some degree heifer-izes its participants). Hmm. Morenoodles (talk) 07:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

A heifer is a cow. I don't think the topic is notable. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

In the end, I had to agree on the article topic. Perhaps we shouldn't blame the event for the complete absurdity of the "news" article that's the topmost Google hit for it, but really... See my new comments at the AfD if interested. (And as for my choice of metaphor, I see that I'm in excellent company.) Morenoodles (talk) 10:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's see how the AfD goes then. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 13:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

G11 of Matt Lesser

Gwen - I've been contacted by the user a few threads up whose political article you deleted, and I've done the first piece of article work for the last 3 months. There's a copy at User:Willorbill1/Matt Lesser, and I'm pretty happy with the tone - no doubt it could be improved, but then again everything I do could be bettered ;). Don't know how up you are on US politics, but I have to confess to having absolutely no idea in that regard (which is why the notability tag is still right at the top). Anyway, I wonder whether you'd mind having another look to see what you think of it now. Cheers, Alex Muller 09:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Recreate the article if you like, see what other editors think. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I've posted at WP:DELREV. No need for you to drop by, but feel free if you want. Cheers, Alex Muller 16:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Following the building consensus there to rs and AfD, I have done. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 04:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Jesus bloodline

Describing the Jesus Bloodline as being linked to traditionalist "esoteric Christianity" will always exist without a citation and reliable and independent source. If Jesus Bloodline is to be linked to "esoteric Christianity" it needs to be emphasised that it is to an untraditional and modern version of "esoteric Christianity" that has been influenced by Margaret Starbird. And this can be easily done. There are ample internet sites that define traditionalist esoteric Christianity and this needs to be compared against the esoteric Christianity that was inspired by Margaret Starbird. Traditional esoteric Christianity that dates historically back thousands of years to Origen of Alexandria dealt with metaphysical matters. The common interpretation of Gnosticism widely held by maistream scholarship is that it was a dualist nature holding that matter was evil and rejecting the physical substance of Christ. This can be easily substantuated by reliable and independent sources from works published by mainstream scholars. It was the book Holy Blood and Holy Grail that was first responsible for twisting the idea that Gnosticism "believed that Jesus Christ was a human being", and this became uncritically repeated ever since by those who uncritically follow the modern concept of the Jesus Bloodline. Again, it can be very easily verified by citing scholarly books that the Jesus Christ of Gnosticism was not a physical human being. None of the comments here can be described as "Original research". Wfgh66 (talk) 09:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Gwen. Could you intervene in the debate about Esoteric Christianity on the Talk:Jesus bloodline page? --Loremaster (talk) 21:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you please comment under my compromise proposal on the Talk:Jesus bloodline page? --Loremaster (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Garrysmod - Garry's Mod

Hai! Could you undelete this article? I'll address your concerns (G11) if you do. Thanks, CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 00:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Done :) See if you can get 1 or 2 more sources in too? Gwen Gale (talk) 01:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure ;-) CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 19:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

;) Gwen Gale (talk) 20:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

For the record, and no disrespect intended, I'm surprised you deleted this. I had declined a speedy very recently, the subject is definitely notable as evident by a few clicks, and I don't think it really approaches G11 at all. Maybe just a reminder to check histories before deleting, too - I sometimes forget to do this and end up with egg on my face. Tan | 39 20:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Sunny-side up here, a bit runny :) Gwen Gale (talk) 20:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Uh oh. You better have a look at this. User:GENIUS(4th power) possibly? CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 21:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Likely so, whoever it was, posting a block template on their 2nd edit got them an indefinite block. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

meta-medicine article - please can I get it back to work on

• Meta-medicine

Hi Gwen

I wrote an article yesterday entitled 'meta-medicine' which was deleted for 'blatant advertising'. I am fairly new to Misplaced Pages and this wasn't my intention. In fact, I made an edit to a related page about 'Ryke Geerd Hamer' which had a link to a commercial site about Meta-Medicine.

While I work using Meta-Medicine, I was creating this page on behalf of the non-profit-making International Meta-Medicine Association.

Please could you do me a favour and return my article for me to edit, to avoid the issue of advertising. I will take out links to commercial organisations and only link to the International Meta-Medicine Association.

Looking forward to hearing form you

Viv Craske Viv Craske (talk) 18:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I've put it at User:Viv_Craske/sandbox. If you could source some of the text, this would help a lot too. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 20:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

"much notability in the world began as spam"

I noticed that you attached a comment to your closure of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tõnu Trubetsky, seemingly implying that any notability the subject may now have is due to past online self-promotion. Without disagreeing with your sentiment in general, I'd like to point out that this does not seem to be the case here: based on the sources I could find, the person being discussed and his band were mostly notable in the mid-90s, shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union and well before the creation of Misplaced Pages or even the popularization of the World Wide Web. Under the circumstances, the comment seems a bit inappropriate. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you mistook what I said. I did not say this topic is non-notable. If I had meant to say so, I would have said "This topic is not notable." Rather, I was making a remark about how notability comes about. Put another way, "On some level, it's all spam." I wouldn't worry about this, it's likely a language barrier/spin thing. The article has been kept, following a consensus by editors in good faith believing this topic indeed has notability. All the best, Gwen Gale (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd say (at least) one of us has indeed misunderstood something here. I wasn't accusing you of saying the topic wasn't notable. I was merely pointing out that, based on both my own web search and on my reading of the comments by most others arguing for keeping it, it seems to me the primary reason why people consider Trubetsky and Vennaskond notable is that they were a popular band in Estonia around 1993-1996. It seems as if you either disagree with this (which seems odd, since evidence that they were popular and did release several local hit singles back then isn't hard to find and was cited in the AfD) or are using an unusual definition of "spam" that apparently includes "releasing a single and having it hit the charts".

Of course, you're right that the wording of an AfD closing comment makes little difference in the grand scheme of things, but still, the point of a closing comment should be to neutrally summarize the consensus arising from the discussion. Since nobody in the discussion seems to have expressed or even implied the (in itself valid) opinion that the subject would've acquired notability due to widespread online promotion or any other kind of "spam", it seems at least mildly inappropriate to state so in the closing comment, at least without marking it explicitly as your personal opinion. However incorrect I might consider the outcome of a particular AfD to be, I just don't feel that the closing comments are an appropriate place for cheap shots. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The nomination began, This is the real name of an extremely prolific spammer...

With all respect, I believe you have misunderstood my closing statement, it was not a cheap shot, it did not infer that the subject was a spammer but on the contrary, inferred that he is not. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, though. All the best to you, Gwen Gale (talk) 02:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

(undent) I don't think anyone has disagreed that Bloomfield is a problematic user. (Whether his behavior qualifies as spam depends on how one defines the term, and is not really relevant here.) Whether he's actually Trubetsky is a more interesting question; the nominator provided no evidence of that. Even assuming he is, though, he's only been editing Misplaced Pages since 2005, which is long after the peak of his musical career (so far); this isn't a case of a spammer becoming notable, but (possibly) of a notable musician becoming a Misplaced Pages spammer.

Anyway, I'm still not sure what your point with the comment was (since you say above that it wasn't what I first took it to imply). At best it now feels like a complete non sequitur. I don't, mind you, actually have any particular problem with it — at this point I'm just genuinely curious. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The pith of my humble try at being witty, taken to its utter end-all, could be something like even the Beatles were spammers. Think of what the likes of Lennon might have done with MySpace. Fame's the name of the game, maybe even more so for the talented and gifted. It's my English humour I reckon, a bit thick sometimes and maybe I'm a bit daft for laughin' at me own jokes, I'm harmless though :) Gwen Gale (talk) 03:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Afd close

I would have thought you would have relisted for more input here. But maybe I'm just bitter because I nommed it :P ...Seraphim♥Whipp 23:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Keep in mind, I only close the old, aged, tough ones nobody else has touched so I expect some feedback :) Meanwhile I've found that relisting an AfD which has only gotten one comment in 7 days (a keep to null the nom, no less, which made a pithy observation that the mag's name makes text searches a pain) isn't likely to get anything that'll change the outcome. Since new magazines are very dodgy, money-eating businesses, you might keep an eye on it and re-nom in a few months with a clearer statement as to why it might not be notable. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 00:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Please restore Cégep de Victoriaville

This was a stub article on one of Quebec's French-language junior colleges or cegeps. Another editor moved this article and then the article and the redirect were both deleted. --Eastmain (talk) 00:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

1. 04:30, 15 June 2008 Gwen Gale (Talk | contribs) deleted "Cégep de Victoriaville" ‎ (R1: Redirect to a deleted, nonexistent, or invalid target)
2. 02:37, 15 June 2008 GreenJoe (Talk | contribs) moved Cégep de Victoriaville to CEGEP de Victoriaville over redirect

Hi. There is no stub in the article's history, only a redirect, then the CSD (speedy request) by the editor who created the redirect to delete it. Nothing is stopping you from putting a stub there (or at CEGEP de Victoriaville, which was not deleted by me) yourself. If you need further help with this, please do ask me. All the best, Gwen Gale (talk) 00:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks. I created a stub at Cégep de Victoriaville, so everything should be fine now. --Eastmain (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Cbsite

Cbsite (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has agreed to not repeat his behavior. I have provisionally unblocked him. Please email me if it starts up again. Fred Talk 00:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do (happy to see you're about now and then!) Gwen Gale (talk) 00:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

SIAS

Hi Gwen. How are things in your neck of the woods? As you may have seen, the SIAS article is now in review for GA. The reviewer asked that a second introductory paragraph be written, which I did. Also the reviewer asked for various other changes, which I am working on. If you happen to have a chance to take a peek at the article and review process from time to time in this next week and help out in any tiny ways, that'd be really appreciated. I can do all the main work, but just if you have any feedback about the way the changes are going or if you wanted to tweak any writing changes I do, or anything like that,that'd be great. Thanks so much! Moisejp (talk) 01:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

talk page archiving

It's too vague. I want YOU to tell me how to do it. Fclass (talk) 02:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand how you could say that only three minutes after I put the link on your talk page. Try reading it a bit more? Gwen Gale (talk) 03:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)