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Welcome, correspondents I occasionally do recent changes patrolling. If I reverted your edits, there's a large likelihood I did so for one or more of the following reasons:

  1. No edit summary, especially for a removal. I can't read your mind. If you removed content that was a copyvio or an ad, you can either tell everyone by including an accurate edit summary, or not. If you don't, you stand a higher chance of getting reverted, because I have yet to meet any other recent changes patroller who can read minds, either.
  2. No sourcing, especially for a controversial change. I don't normally revert non-outlandish changes unless I have personal knowledge that the original was more reasonable, but if you are going to make a change to a biography, the burden is on you to source it, especially if you want to assert that the existing article was radically incorrect with regard to any protected class.

If you include a good source and a good edit summary, odds of me reverting you are quite small indeed. If you still have questions about why I made a particular reversion, don't hesitate to start a new topic at the bottom of the page and ask why: I am always willing to explain my reasoning.

If you're here because I deleted an article you think should be undeleted, please read this first.
N.B. I don't respond well to either fawning or abuse. Talk to me like a peer, assume good faith, and you'll find I reciprocate in my helpfulness.

Administrator Goals Doing my best to improve the tiny little wedge in the top center:

Radio Racer

I was just wondering if i could get back a copy of what was deleted. I was making a page for them due to the tact that they had just recently signed on with IN-n-OUT records and are being sold around the world, so i thought this was a good idea. Thank you if you can get it back to me or put it back up. Michael Jones (talk) 17:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done User:Truidor/Radio Racer. Please be sure to read WP:MUSICBIO to understand what needs to be sourced for the band to be included in Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 20:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Banana Boat - inline citations added

Dear Jclemens, I have added inline citations as well as literature of the subject; work is still in progress, because I have not yet managed to access press articles published in the past, but step by step the external reasources are being added. Just to let you know, I describe additions on the article's talk page. Yours, Paweł Jędrzejko 89.74.171.211 (talk) 22:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Pawel, it looks like you are making good progress--the article is now better than many other U.S.- or U.K.-based bands. Keep up the good work! Jclemens (talk) 22:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Jclemens, do you think we could remove some of the issues on the "multiple issues" label? P.S.: I have successfully dealt with the problem of pulling Herman Melville's pictures from the Commons! Many thanks! Yours, Paweł Jędrzejko 80.55.228.10 (talk) 23:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done Jclemens (talk) 23:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a million! Work continues! Paweł Jędrzejko 80.55.228.10 (talk) 23:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for LMFAO (band)

this is a notable band, if barely. speedy deletion was not warranted. please see http://www.miaminewtimes.com/events/lmfao-1562784/ or http://news.google.com/news?q=LMFAO&hl=en&safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

Nothing in that article, as it was when it was deleted, asserted anything that met any of the WP:BAND criteria. Jclemens (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
actually, one of the sources was http://www.interscope.com/lmfao/ . if you check http://www.interscope.com/lmfao/releases, they have had 2 albums on interscope records. that meets criterion 5 of WP:BAND, i believe. please undelete it and let it go through the regular AFD process. Theserialcomma (talk) 22:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The article, at the time it was deleted, did not assert ANY releases on Interscope--just that they were signed to them and had released an album on iTunes. I do not follow references looking to ascertain notability one way or the other: if the assertion of notability isn't explicitly in the article, it isn't relevant. Note, however, that like all A7 deletions, there's no prejudice against recreating the article. If you'd like it userified, I can do that for you, too, but I don't put articles back into mainspace in a state where another admin could come along speedy delete 'em in good faith. Jclemens (talk) 00:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, following that up, of the 2 releases, only one is an album; the other is a single. So, doesn't look like they're actually meeting criterion 5 yet, either. So it's looking like userification is probably the way to go until they've clearly established notability. Jclemens (talk) 00:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
as far as significance or notability goes, LMFAO seems like it could go either way, not too heavily leaning towards notable or non-notable, hence i think you've speedied it erroneously. there are multiple semi-maybe-trivial references about the band on the web and in google news, such as http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/04/band-lmfao-surprise-coachella-crystal-method-show, http://www.miaminewtimes.com/events/lmfao-1562784/, http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2009/02/12/new-video-lmfao-im-in-miami-trick/, http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2009/02/18/exclusive-interview-lmfao-save-the-world-one-booty-clap-at-a-time/, etc. at the very least, it should have been AfD'd. please undelete it and allow it to go through afd, as it should have originally. it is a borderline case, not an obvious candidate Theserialcomma (talk) 02:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
How about I userify it for you, you add those refs, and then you move it back to mainspace once it clearly asserts notability? Jclemens (talk) 18:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
ok Theserialcomma (talk) 14:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Looks like someone else did this a few days ago. Jclemens (talk) 17:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Common outcomes

Hi there - sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I'm a bit all over the place in real life at the moment, so I missed several things going on. Anyway, I reverted again, and took it to the talk page per WP:BRD - I think it's interesting, but perhaps better for inclusion in WP:BIO? In my experience, this is not a common AfD outcome. Anyway, I've written in more detail on the talk page so we can take the discussion there. Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 12:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Now it's MY turn to be busy, so I may not be responding immediately. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Yellow Star (book)

Updated DYK query On May 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yellow Star (book), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Thank you. Jclemens (talk) 23:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Update?

Per Misplaced Pages talk:Article Rescue Squadron#A discussion of interest., could you offer an opinion on what should be done? Propose, drop, etc. -- Banjeboi 13:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Corrie

I'm sorry, but I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to include material that could cause pain to living people unless it was a political thing. Misplaced Pages should be better than that. Talking of forum shopping, I've mentioned this at WP:ANI because I think we need more eyes on it. Black Kite 23:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

You need to refactor your comment at the AfD. AniMate 04:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm open to doing so... but why? Jclemens (talk) 04:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Saint Pancake is clearly an offensive name, at least according to the reference from Salon that you keep quoting. Making a flippant joke about it is beyond bad form. AniMate 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Do you even understand the point of the epithet? Explain to me what you think people mean by Saint Pancake. Hint: it's not generally a critique of Corrie. Jclemens (talk) 04:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll take the hint--you want to suggest she's only notable for the way in which she died, while crituiqing the way "the media" sanctify young, beautiful American women? Something like that? (I have not read the Salon article.) "Saint" is one thing, but "Pancake" is really beyond the pale. Drmies (talk) 04:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
That's actually closer than I expected AniMate to get. Yes, it's a critique of the establishment latching on to one particular person who died in a pretty gruesome way, but was singled out for a secular beatification because of it. Plenty of young people die every year, but yet this one unfortunate young woman who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, is somehow more special than the vast majority of the others who also exercised poor decision making. It mystifies me why people think "pancake" is the more offensive half of the epithet; it's certainly the part more grounded in reality, and an immediate reminder of the gruesome nature of Corrie's manner of death. Jclemens (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Well thank you for condescending to stupid old me. Glad a smart person came along to save me from making an ass out of myself. --AniMate 04:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hardly, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I'm assuming good faith in that if you understood the point beind the epithet, you'd not find it nearly so offensive. Based on your reactions to it, I sincerely believed you had no clue. Are you saying I'm incorrect, and that you already understood Saint Pancake in the way that I explained it? If so, then why is it so offensive to you in light of that explanation? Jclemens (talk) 04:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
The main reason I'm struggling with the decision whether or not to strike Saint Pancake from the AfD is fundamentally the Streisand Effect. If it were something I'd accidentally said that offended people, I'd be quite inclined to remove it. As is, it's a verifiable and reliably sourced epithet, that despite meeting every guideline for inclusion (if you disagree, rebut on Talk:Rachel Corrie, not here), has been censored by people who don't want the fact that Corrie was ever called Saint Pancake mentioned. That is, if there are N reliable sources, N+1 will always be necessary. AniMate has explicitly stated that it should never be included under any circumstances. So, I'll offer a trade. AniMate, if you're willing to support a single mention of the term "Saint Pancake" in the criticism section of the Rachel Corrie article or its successors, for as long as you participate in Misplaced Pages in any form, I'll strike my comment from the AfD. Jclemens (talk) 04:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah, too late now. It's been SNOW'ed closed--not exactly an unexpected outcome, was it? At any rate, even if I wanted to, it would be impossible for me to remove the offensive comment. Well, if Rachel Corrie were living, BLP might take precedence over AfD processes... but she's not. Jclemens (talk) 07:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
You can still remove it after the AFD is closed. The fact that you haven't, and appear to take pleasure in using the epithet for no particular reason (it certainly didn't need to appear in the AfD) at least means there's no longer any debate about your motivations for wanting to include it. Black Kite 08:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
There never was any debate at all: WP:NOTCENSORED. Any assumptions otherwise rely on assuming bad faith and nefarious interpretations of perfectly straightforward actions. Jclemens (talk) 17:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation

Hello, I hope you are doing well. I am sending you this message since you are a member of the GA WikiProject. I would like to invite you to consider helping with the GA sweeps process. Sweeps helps to ensure that the oldest GAs still meet the criteria, and improve the quality of GAs overall. Unfortunately, last month only two articles were reviewed. This is definitely a low point after our peak at the beginning of the process when 163 articles were reviewed in September 2007. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. All exempt and previously reviewed articles have already been removed from the list. Instead of reviewing by topic, you can consider picking and choosing whichever articles interest you.

We are always looking for new members to assist with the remaining articles, so if you are interested or know of anybody that can assist, please visit the GA sweeps page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. If only 14 editors achieve this feat starting now, we would be done with Sweeps! Of course, having more people reviewing less articles would be better for all involved, so please consider asking others to help out. Feel free to stop by and only review a few articles, something's better than nothing! Take a look at the list, and see what articles interest you. Let's work to complete Sweeps so that efforts can be fully focused on the backlog at GAN. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 08:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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