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User talk:Jack Merridew/Notice

Template-y thing

I was going to do this myself but got intimidated by lots of scarey words on editing templates — I would so much like this:

If you look at this template:

{{BirdTalk}}

it lacks a direct link to the discussion page of the birds wikiproject:

like this one:

{{WikiProject Fungi}}

does for wikiproject fungi. Only a minor thing but can be an arse when I have a slow connection. I'd be grateful verily. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You just need to edit the "MAIN_TEXT" of {{BirdTalk}}; it's protected, so you have some choices; you do it, comment on the exact text you want and unprotect it for an hour... Why is it protected, anyway? The vandals hit more birds than fungi?

fyi; best comment I've seen today.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

OK - have unprotected for six hours. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done — You were gonna be up for six more hours? Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

great, thx - doubleplusgood. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, Jack Merridew 12:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

                                       

User:Daedalus969

Jack... Just some advice. While you may well be within policy to remove things from your talk page, it's not really a very friendly way to handle messages... you may find it better to neutrally say "thanks for the input, I will consider it carefully" and leave the message, instead of sparring with others with snarky removal summaries as you've been doing with Dae. Try not to let people get your goat. In some cases that is exactly what they want. Don't give them the satisfaction (or the ammo to use later). I've suggested to Dae that their approach isn't likely to be effective. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 16:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, digging around to try to find the backstory, I got a chance to read some of the posts to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/DougsTech around (before and after) this one. You both leave the impression that you need to grow up. "Sneers", "Jeers", "What the hell is your problem" ???? Completely inappropriate. You both know better. Knock it off. ++Lar: t/c 16:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure. I'd disinter those posts except that it would likely only serve to reignite that tiff. Ryulong already issued trouts all round so we all get a nice healthy meal. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

p.s. +An Enemy of the People

• http://durova.blogspot.com/2009/05/maturity-test.html
  I passed ;)
  (although 7b might be correct in the case of some Pokemon articles; not watching those, so my opinion is OR)
  Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Namibia-geo-stub

• {{Namibia-geo-stub}}

Hi,

Actually, it wasn't a good edit. You took the template and incorrectly changed the category from a more precise one (Category:Namibia geography stubs to a less precise one (Category:Namibia stubs). If you disagree, feel free to discuss it at wp:WSS/P. As for other edits, I will go back through your contributions now and look for similar edits to correct. Thanks for the heads up.--TM 15:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh. That part was inadvertent; a copypasta goof from one of the others. Please fix that part and keep the rest of the changes on those templates. I'll check stuff tomorrow. Off, it's late here. Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed it and four other where I made the same mistake. Thanks for catching this and bringing it to my attention. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Bacon, Egg and Cheese sandwich

I have nominated Bacon, Egg and Cheese sandwich, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bacon, Egg and Cheese sandwich. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. ~fl 10:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:BRC

Thanks for cleaning it up! لennavecia 14:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Still has icky font-elements in there. And your sig needs single quotes on the multi-word font-name (fixing above, see this edit).

Proximate issue with your page was that the sub-tables did not necessarily fill the parent table resulting in a ragged-right look — which wasn't pretty.

Anysways, there are too many tables in there; divs are good.

I aw you comment that you had no arbs in BRC; no soks either, I expect.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

thanks for fixing my userpage!

Thanks, I didn't notice that. I thought it was free, but I won't again. ⊕Assasin Joe 18:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

sigh

Could you knock that off, please? It's really not helping. I know I'm hardly one to criticize being snarky, but it's well past time to de-escalate. Give me a cuff upside the head if I'm being a hypocrite, but do save the snark for the appreciative and not the hostile. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 09:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Uh, welcome back ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

See also

tag and wag. You can't make this stuff up.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Jack - that AfD page seems not to be displaying correctly, can't see why. The last few posts from Colonel W onward I can see in edit view but not on the page proper. Any ideas?  pablo_hablo. 12:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I works for me; the bottom posts at the moment are the two delsort lines. I just did a purge; try again. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Notability (fiction) flowchart

Do you have the means at your disposal to convert File:090427 Fiction Flowchart.jpg into a linked flow chart based on Wiki markup along the lines of Template:Pantheon of Dragonlance? I might be able to manage it myself, but I suspect it would take me a long time. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 10:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Yikes! There's a reason that's in Category:Intricate templates. I'd go with the image and a more readable typeface. I don't think you'll get good results using a tool designed for family trees to produce a flowchart; it would seem that there's just not enough need for flowcharting on-wiki for a suite of templates to have been developed. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Telepathy and war edits

Hi, thanks for showing interest in the article. I've left a note on the article discussion page re the "prune" banner. The article has already been severely pruned and at this stage is in a state of rebuild with more citation and referencing preferred. More input is great but I would rather discourage pruning right now. Frei Hans (talk) 11:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You have your point of view there; that’s obvious. I've already opined that the article should be pruned right down the memory hole. Thanks for providing the impetus for {{prune}} — an overdue concept. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

{{prune}}'s a fine idea. Which reminds me - is there a WP equivalent of this template?  pablo_hablo. 12:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought so; needs to be put into use more. (There can’t be only “Teh One.”) Other one would make sense, too, but would needs a few tweaks. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Viz Pablomismo message - Clearly Unencylopedia people dont ever watch[REDACTED] afds enough :( viz the box For those without comedic tastes, the so-called experts at Misplaced Pages have an article about Bullshit.SatuSuro 12:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

{{bullshit}}, anyone? Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Heheh I was sure I have seen 'BS' at an Afd somewhere once - but I might be remembering wrong SatuSuro 12:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Prime candidates for prune would the greatest hist list at http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:LongPages SatuSuro 12:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

At Play in the Fields of the Lord

Before you do too many more of these: The correct disambiguator would be (novel). The clarifier (book) is usually used for nonfiction books. Cheers --ShelfSkewed Talk 13:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll revisit them; (book) will end up as a redirect. I see you got a lot; got this one? I've few with me (Bali). It was quite some time ago that I read this. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I read Far Tortuga a long time ago and enjoyed it, but not enough to become a big fan. I think I've got a copy of At Play around here somewhere, but I haven't read it. Cheers, --ShelfSkewed Talk 14:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've just tweaked the redlinks. I don't think I read any of his others; it was one of my mom's books, I think. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

webkit finangling

Ta (once again) for tweakage - I tend to use Firefox all the time nowadays, hadn't noticed that the rounded rects didn't work in Safari.  pablo_hablo. 22:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

no prob; just know that the radius doesn't work correctly in webkit when the borders of different sides are different widths. also, webkit underlays Chrome, too. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Cquote

Hi, thank you for your message. Unfortunately I don't have much time to dedicate to resolving this issue, I hope it will be repaired soon. :)

Regards, Delhovlyn (talk) 20:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I've looked a bit but am not sure where this went; Thanks for the reminder. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association

The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here

• User:Peter Damian/Established Editors - suggestions welcome.

If you wish to be elected, please notify me here

• User talk:Peter Damian/Established Editors#Other nominations

If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here

• User talk:Peter Damian/Established Editors#Other nominations

Please put all discussion here

• User talk:Peter Damian/Established Editors#Discussion

Peter Damian (talk) 10:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll give it a look and see where it goes. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - do you accept the nomination or not? To be elected, you have to accept nomination. A note on my talk page will be sufficient.Peter Damian (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I said I’d see where it goes, and it did; fwiw, I’d have opined “keep” if I’d had time to read everything before it closed. I’m at UTC+8 and much shite goes on while I sleep. I think you have some interesting ideas and motives here but possibly not the right solution in-hand. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You confuse noobs

Your not blocked, but you say you are. Many noobs will not see unblocked indefinitely and will think you are blocked. Just saying, Programmer13_{What I do} 16:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I never said I was blocked, I said I'm a sockpuppet — there's a difference. “Noobs” are inherently confused, so no-worry. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Revert

Thanks! --EEMIV (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem; looks like he ran amok after that and his head's now in the basket. teh vandals — day're -so- boring. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

A challenge then

Ok, here's a challenge. I have seen userpages with an online/offline variable which editors click when they are (surprise surprise) online or offline. I was musing on a variation of this for the user talk page. An online one where the variable resulted in the page being pale blue, maybe with clouds and a sun, representing 'day' (some form of underlying sky image under writing), and an offline one which had a dark underlying image (night sky) with maybe owls and moons or something, and the script was coded to go white. Something like a prologue subpage but had its parameters over the whole page. Make sense? Speaking of which I am off to sleep (again). Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That would be things like {{statustop}}, which Rlevse uses. It's basically a switch statement and what you're thinking would entail several of them; one for each element you suggest. They would be buried in templates or user subpages. Changing background and border colors would be fairly straightforward — see user:roux and purge it a few times. Smallish images as ornaments would work about the same way. There's an issue with doing a large background image/colours of the “night” variety; we can set the text colour easily enough but the link colour is set by the site css and the only way to change that locally is to wrap the link-text with something that tweaks the color; i.e. every link and sig on the talk page. For this reason the faux background-images and background-colors have to be ones that look reasonable with standard text over them; also, since these are not really background-images, they don't repeat (“tile”) so they won't extend down the page.

My own musing; you're making an offline-at-night assumption; late night, at least. What about users on the benighted side of the planet from our region? You'd be showing them the night and the moon during their full daylight. We have {{CURRENTHOUR}} but not {{CURRENTLATITUDE}} per this (and the math would get messy anyway) — see mw:Help:Magic words. I structure user pages with the layout and technical glue in the page proper and split off the actual content into subpages; User:Jack Merridew/Body text, for example. I still typically have some xhtml in there, but it's minimal and could be lessened. I've not done this on my talk pages, but could; they tend to work a bit differently due their open-ended nature. I probably should be factoring-out things like colours to subpages for maximum flexibility; once there, using a switch is easy. My talk page editnotice uses a switch to offer a different quote each time; there are a dozen in there.

Implementing this sort of thing will not be as simple as adding a bit up top; there will be pieces scattered about; top, site of each image, site of wallpaper. Another route would entail doing this via a script in the Misplaced Pages:MediaWiki namespace, which I'd need to be able to edit ;). In effect this would amount to revisiting the skin options which have been static for a long time. I tend to opt for custom local solutions rather than for building generic tools for the proles to coat tail on.

Thanks for the idea; I'll marinate on practical techniques.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman

Hi Jack, can you please back off this user for a while? I've noted that of the last 5000 edits to Talk:Main Page, you have precisely two. Combine that with your statement/threat to EHC that they would "go on your watchlist", the fact that your comments appeared in response to a thread EHC started, and the unproductive tenor of your comments - well, I'm sure there's no need for me to start using any alphagettis I can pick out of the soup.

If you have ongoing concerns with the editor, please bring them to me as it seems I may be better at patient and friendly education. At the very least you could try waiting until there is even a hint of evidence of disruption, and even then you could still try the ol' patient-and-friendly. Alternatively, compile an RFC/U or post at a noticeboard asking for sanctions. Please don't continue in a course which appears to be application of "one man justice". Regards! Franamax (talk) 20:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I answered you on Talk:Main Page. What threat? Even Emmette apologized for calling it that. Every page I edit goes on my watchlist — at least until I prune it back. By all means take the lead with Emmette. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Jack, if you have ongoing concerns with me, please bring them up with Franamax.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Emmette, don't look at the above as a get out of gaol free card. If you don't want my attention, you might try not lighting up my new messages notice. Jack Merridew 08:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Userpage (rounded)

Made the change, can you check if OK. --Stephen 23:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

It works for me ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:)

Wow, and Commons too. Thank you, sir. Your kindness astounds me. I give you a happy memory in return. - Josette (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool ;) it'll fit the narrow roads of Bali. Enjoy — and check Commons, again. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice. - Josette (talk) 05:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

s:user:Josette was just hit, too. ;) Jack Merridew 05:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

For fixing any errors I may have had.— Dædαlus 06:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

may have? — “px” in an html attribute, width="70px", is always wrong. Regards, Jack Merridew 06:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Book icons

They're still there! --MZMcBride (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Ya, I know; things got hung-up on the rtl vs ltr issue. That seem as sorted as it's going to get for the time being. I think the page should be synced as is. I'll review it again and may ping someone to do it. Then we look forward. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello, Jack Merridew. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Harassment by user User:Jack Merridew. Thank you. — Dædαlus 09:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

well - that was the thread before I changed the name.... I'm sure you'll find it if you want to, you little shit. ;-) Privatemusings (talk) 09:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I found it ;) Sneers, Jack Merridew, who's not a “little shit”, he's a fucking-sockpuppet. 09:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

you're a fucking sockpuppet too? outrageous! Whatever is the wiki coming to? Unfortunately, I'm going to have to block you when you go to sleep for a bit because you said 'fucking' - I trust you'll agree with me that this is per longstanding policy and tradition. Privatemusings (talk) 09:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm a Notable Dick, too. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Programmer13/Vandalism Patrol#Election

We've started the election Abce2|Aww nutsWribbit!(Sign here) 00:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can run! Abce2|Aww nutsWribbit!(Sign here) 12:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I noticed. Please fix your sig and note that I disapprove of {{talkback}}s. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Adults should not tease children. :) ++Lar: t/c 14:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The fellow there that caught my attention is in the US Navy; they still taking powder monkeys? Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Tom Nash

FYI, I did not create the Tom Nash article - I merely moved it to a different title - and have no opinion about whether it stays or goes. But I don't think the article's existence hurts anyone provided it is not titled "Tom Nash". Str1977 12:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

These articles have messy histories; I had not seen that and the note you got was an automajic one. I do agree that such things, if kept, should be at qualified names. I've noted your move at the AfD. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I see that the history look as if I created the article. When I looked at it half an hour ago, I was surprised to find this character of which I have absolutely no knowledge. I was expecting the wrestler, though I had no memory of ever creating an article about him (and my memory was correct). Str1977 12:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about it; there are about 140 articles about nada, er, fictional characters in this soap opera. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The Hugo Deletions

Hey Jack, I have zero problem with you nominating characters from Far and Away or whatever that show was for deletion. I explicitly closed that AFD in a manner that they could be reopened. That being said, more controlled does not mean individual AFD's. I would suggest doing so in clusters of like 5-8... that way we can better determine if there are any that are worth keeping. My guess is that out of the 140 characters they are probably a dozen worth keeping. By noming them one at a time, it looks pointy.---Balloonman 02:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. It's been my experience that multi-article nom never work, so I though chipping away at obvious ones would be a good start. I've by no means looked at most of these and really don't want to. There *may* be a dozen or so characters that warrant an article, but I doubt any of the folks behind the ones I've looked at produced good articles. Never seen, or heard of, the show. I'll see where the 7 I nomed go and we'll take it from there. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The people who care the most have finally started discussing this at the Home and Away page in a constructive manner. This is a huge mess. What I hope for is that the people who care (which isn't us) will decide to simply redirect everything to the main article and get rid of the 130 or others via a redirect or something. Right now... argh... BTW sorry if I came across overly strong. I was a little frustrated about this last night.---Balloonman 13:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear, and don't worry about seeming harsh. It's my experience that redirects don't work unless they're protected. Anons wander about undoing them later and the crappy articles are back until someone runs a weed-whacker over them again. We need a CSD criteria that covers this sort of stuff. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, the other option, that I would support, is if the people who care decide to create a single article, then we can delete these articles as G6 uncontroversial deletions or prods. I really don't want to send these through AfD if the parties that matter can agree as to how to handle them.---Balloonman 14:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be better than a mess of resurrectable redirects. I have no idea who the folks who care are (or why; not asking). Didn't someone comment in the big AfD about anons and throwaway accounts? I've certainly seen that elsewhere. Anyway, I think I should go look at the AfDs I started and see how they're going. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Frei Hans

I know I asked you to stay away from me, but I thought you might want to know that Hans refactored your post. I reverted and left a warning.— Dædαlus 08:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jack. I'd like you to know I appreciate your efforts here. Hans has complained about the "what the fuck" in your last post. Perhaps you'd like to replace it with simply "WTF" in deference to his sensibilities. That should address the issue, until he's blocked - which is the only way I see this ending unless he changes. Verbal chat 08:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh see above, sorry for making that annoying orange bar appear twice for no reason! Verbal chat 08:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

@both; He's still here? I'll go look. I am free to say “fuck” in that context; for Christ’s sake we had the word cunt on the Main Page yesterday; see “Recently featured”. @Verbal; you need a sig fix; the colour is not spelled “grey” it is “gray” and both of you should get rid of the deprecated font-elements. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC) (Vote For Lar! User talk:Programmer13/Vandalism Patrol#Lar)

How dare you! :p Thanks, Verbal chat 10:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind

Placing what recently happened with Frei Hans on the request for comment on him? I would do it myself, but you know how this started, I just came in later. Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 09:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

If he is not indef-blocked by tomorrow, I will. I was involved concerning the Telepathy and war article and the AfD; I didn't see the aftermath or the sock-allegations until it all blew up. fyi, vote for Lar before the scuttling charges are blown. And you need to fix your sig; 3 digit hex-abbreviation are invalid in font-elements and they're deprecated anyway. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh? What about the 3 hex-abthings? I'm sorry, I dont know this kind of stuff.Abce2|Aww nuts!Wribbit!(Sign here) 09:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

See this very edit; and I'll comment on your talk page. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Recent drahahamazzz

I think I will attempt possibly unsuccessfully! to withdraw. I have a sneaking suspicion that we've been had by an attention-seeking goativore. Malicious, misguided or pathologically unable to get the point, the effect is much the same.  pablo_{no soy chupacabra!!!.} 11:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ya, we've been trolled long enough. fyi, I've put one of my meatpuppets on the indef concern. We're at the dénouement. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

(sigh) I need some more indonesian article ideas for this --> User:Casliber/To-Do#Potential_DYKs <-- or better still, work some up for DYK. I think there needs to be a ceasefire from trench warfare before something bad happens. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Uncle Tom Cobley and all

Neat! These will be popular. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Heh - I stole the code from someone who knows what he's doing!  pablo_hablo. 07:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jack

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	Given to Jack in recognition of his efforts in helping clean up a very messy corner of the project. Sarah 14:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping with the Home and Away mess, nominating AFDs, tagging, cleaning up and so forth. Much appreciate your work. Unfortunately Home and Away is just the tip of the iceberg as a similar thing has been done to Neighbours character articles, too. :( Cheers, Sarah 14:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Terima kasih/Sama sama (thank you/same to you in bahasa Indonesia). I've commented on this general issue for several years; several ArbCom cases come to mind and you might like several oldids of my userpage; the top-banners.

We need a policy shift; a CSD.A7 for fictional characters. The cruft grows back as I seen you've comment. Ask me about plowing snow some time; hint: you have to angle the blade to make forward progress. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

all characters, or some, and how would you distinguish what goes by speedy and what by AfD. A7 reads "claim of importance" and asserting that the subject is a character in a major fiction is at least a weak indication of importance--not enough to keep, but enough to prevent speedy under this general rule. You would need a new criterion. We did this for recordings, (A9), because it was possible to find very narrow standards. I was skeptical, but that one seems to work. DGG (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I've not got a specific wording in mind. The word I was thinking when I posted the above is “unremarkable” which isn't in CSD.A7 but is used in the dialog that WP:TWINKLE offers. No, I was not thinking all fictional characters, or even all TV characters. However, most of those characters *are* unremarkable and are best covered in a list — and listing name/actor/period will do for most. The two “works” are soap operas, for crying out loud; there is very little *import* involved here. The fans have gotten fairly adept at the boilerplate first sentence assertions, but said “articles” dive right into in-universe mode after that and amount to a blight on the project. A correct assertion that a fictional character appears in a remarkable work is an assertion of importance; a correct assertion that a fictional character appears in a ridiculous work will attract withering attention from editors who believe the bar should be set above grade, not six feet under. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jack. I was just wondering if you might be willing to hold off on the multiple noms. I know I did it already in that mass nom, but it was flawed, and individual mass noms isn't much better. Please see Talk:List of Home and Away characters. Progress is being made. Please allow us the chance to see what we can do of the articles before you AfD them. If not, though, would you perhaps consider not nominating as many at the same time? It's a lot of pressure to see what can be found for 10 articles, and then incorporate them all.

I'm not saying I disagree with most of the AfDs, in the end. It's just that there's so few people working on the articles in question that there's simply not enough time to do what's necessary. Best, Matthewedwards :  Chat  08:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I nominated about 10 out of 140 over the last 3 days or so which doesn't seem like too many to me, given the scale of the problem. I've not looked at the talk page you gave. Last I looked at the ones I nomed, it looked like most were heading as I suggested. As you found out, multiple noms never fly. That said, I'll see where these go before doing more from that show. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I must admit I hate both Home and Away and Neighbours, but I can assure you its McDonald's-like popularity for whatever god-beknown reason means that there'd be oodles of drivel which could provide a stack of commentary and out-of-universe references at just about every newsagent and bookstore in Australia (and England). And, no I really really wouldn't be keen to find referencing on these characters. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle and Home and Away

Hi Jack,

I noticed you made a handfull of edits yesterday concering Leah Patterson-Baker. (, , , ), claiming it was a deleted article. Er.. It's not. In fact you edited the article yourself, just six minutes later ().

I see you use Twinkle a lot, now usually it's no problem, but Twinkle is not an automated tool. Slow down and check your edits, because in this case you've done a bit of damage. I'll leave it to you to revert the edits, please try to go easy on the Twinkle and Home and Away stuff in the future.

Cheers, — Deon555_{I'm BACK!} 13:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Check the logs: . At the time, the article *had* been deleted and was at another title. Those soap articles are pure crap and I'm not easy on such things. Jack Merridew 13:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Waterloo Road (TV series)

Hello. Perhaps you would like to sprinkle some of your magic on the many descriptive articles relating to this show. The JPS 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism Patrol

Thanks (I guess...) for this. I actually grabbed the code for that from another page that had overflow boxes, so there is at least one more page out there with the same problem.

On another note, what do you think of the new "Vandalism Patrol" (I don't really like that name, but I'm not really creative enough to think of a good one...)Drew Smith What I've done 22:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)