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:::::::::"Simply writing a rationale doesn't automatically make it valid." No, simply implying the rationale is not valid without a specific objection is odd. A FUR was written but no specific objection to the text of the FUR was made. I don't understand why you are asking why the fair use image explains that Sanger founded Citizendium. Some editors claim the image is not relevant to this page but when Larry Sanger founded the web site it becomes clear it is relevant. I have already explained why the image meets ] in my previous comment. ] (]) 22:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::"Simply writing a rationale doesn't automatically make it valid." No, simply implying the rationale is not valid without a specific objection is odd. A FUR was written but no specific objection to the text of the FUR was made. I don't understand why you are asking why the fair use image explains that Sanger founded Citizendium. Some editors claim the image is not relevant to this page but when Larry Sanger founded the web site it becomes clear it is relevant. I have already explained why the image meets ] in my previous comment. ] (]) 22:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::We're obviously not getting anywhere. My apologies for wasting your time. I've brought the issue up at ]. --]]] 22:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::{{ec}} The images in the Wales article are unlike this one a) free b) high-quality or at least decipherable and c) there because I put them there. One of the reasons for this is that there are a ] of free Wales image, something which ] be said in this instance. Regards, ] 20:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::{{ec}} The images in the Wales article are unlike this one a) free b) high-quality or at least decipherable and c) there because I put them there. One of the reasons for this is that there are a ] of free Wales image, something which ] be said in this instance. Regards, ] 20:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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The image is currently not cleared for use in this article. There's a procedure for getting clearance (I think; not an area I've looked into much before) and it hasn't been completed.
This picture is complete crap and of marginal relevance, anyway. An unreadable thumbnail of a screenshot of a web site doesn't illustrate anything about Larry Sanger. Sanger's article isn't a dumping ground for trivialities from the Citizendium page; if the reader is interested in a thorough treatment of that project they can click through.
There already was input from other editors at ANI. The result was keep. Rvcx is removing the image against consensus and for no logical reason. QuackGuru (talk) 01:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
WP:ANI does not address content issues. They are addressing your behavior; i.e. whether your edit-warring is grounds for a block. If you would like to comment on the two points I make here about the content dispute, then please do so. Rvcx (talk) 01:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
ANI addressed the fair use of the image like this comment. No consensus has been reached to removing the image after it has been in the article for a long time. The image is cleared for use in this article. The image is useful and appropriate for the Citizendium section. QuackGuru (talk) 01:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
No, it didn't. I'd say that it also didn't establish any sort of consensus on the content dispute that you could point to in your argument here. --Onorem♠Dil01:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
It'd be much easier for people to follow discussion if you'd reply instead of changing your previous comments...but that comment makes the argument for including it in the article about the website. Even if the argument was for inclusion in this article, that's no consensus for saying any result was reached. --Onorem♠Dil02:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
You added a FUR for this article. Whether it's a valid FUR or not is another issue. Why is the image needed here. Do other website founder articles include screenshots under fair use? From the few I've looked at, it doesn't seem common. Again, could you please respond without simply changing your previous comments? People looking to follow the conversation shouldn't have to use the history tab to do it. --Onorem♠Dil03:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Whether it's a valid FUR or not is not another issue when no specific objection was made to the FUR, especially when the image has no market value and is clearly relevant to the Citizendium section. The image is needed because it improves the article. The image is relevant to the CZ section becuase Sanger founded CZ. It is common for BLPs to have a handful of images in the body. This page has no images in the body. QuackGuru (talk) 17:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Adding an image for the sake of having an image is poor editing. There is absolutely no need to "illustrate" Citizendium, in fact the screenshot is nothing but a distraction from the content of the article. Any reader curious for a more detailed description of Citizendium can click through to that article; it is only appropriate to summarize the aspects of the project relevant to Larry Sanger here. A screenshot provides no further insight into Larry Sanger or his life. Rvcx (talk) 17:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Adding an image that illustrates Citizendium for a section about Citizendium is good argument to keep the image. Images are not a distraction in BLPs. Lots of BLPs have images in the body. Your argument does not make any sense. QuackGuru (talk) 17:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
So far there is no consensus to include the image. Nor have you or any other editor made any reasonable case as to why the image is necessary in an article about Larry Sanger. Rvcx (talk) 17:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
You have never got consensus to remove the image in the first place. Your reason to delete the image in not a reason at all. QuackGuru (talk) 17:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
None of these has an image of the website that they were responsible for creating. None of these has an image being used under fair use. The Wales article may have 6 images, but that has nothing to do with this article. Do you know of any images that don't need fair use justification that would add something to this article? --Onorem♠Dil18:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages encourages images like the Bill Gates page which has 5 images in the body. This is the best image I can find for the CZ section that does add something to this article. "Whether it's a valid FUR or not is another issue." No, it is not another issue. No specific objection was made to the FUR. The other founder has 6 images but Larry Sanger is not allowed to have one image in the body? QuackGuru (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
People with more free images available sometimes end up with more images in their articles. As much as you seem to want it to be, this isn't about Jimbo vs Larry. I don't think the FUR adequately explains the need for the image in this article. People don't need to see a picture of the website to understand that he founded a website. Maybe a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content review would be helpful. I'd be happy to start a discussion there to get more input if that works for you. --Onorem♠Dil19:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The FUR more than adequately explains the rationale for the image in this article. No specific objection to the FUR was made. QuackGuru (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I still disagree. I do not believe that it passes Criteria 8. (Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.) --Onorem♠Dil21:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
You are changing your story again. You mean you agree with me when you did not explain why the rationale was not adequate. I explained the rationale is adequate by writing a FUR but you are unable to provide an objection to the FUR for this page. That means the image is free to use on this page. The image would increase the understanding of the CZ topic when the reader will understand there is another website similar Misplaced Pages with a main page. QuackGuru (talk) 22:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
You asked for a specific objection, so I gave one. I don't believe I've changed my story. I'm just able to be more specific as you continue to make changes and attempt to explain yourself. Simply writing a rationale doesn't automatically make it valid. How does the images presence significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic? How would excluding it be detrimental to that understanding? He founded a website. Why do we need a fair use image to explain that? --Onorem♠Dil22:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
"Simply writing a rationale doesn't automatically make it valid." No, simply implying the rationale is not valid without a specific objection is odd. A FUR was written but no specific objection to the text of the FUR was made. I don't understand why you are asking why the fair use image explains that Sanger founded Citizendium. Some editors claim the image is not relevant to this page but when Larry Sanger founded the web site it becomes clear it is relevant. I have already explained why the image meets Criteria 8 in my previous comment. QuackGuru (talk) 22:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The images in the Wales article are unlike this one a) free b) high-quality or at least decipherable and c) there because I put them there. One of the reasons for this is that there are a huge selection of free Wales image, something which cannot be said in this instance. Regards, Skomorokh 20:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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