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FYI

Since Sandy didn't have the decency to come here and tell you: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Scalabrineformvp. You're now being accused of being my sockpuppet or maybe its the other way around. Or maybe we're both Off2rio, I can't really tell. Confusing stuff 187.46.135.78 (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela Information Office

You are edit warring on that page. I looked into the diffs, and I cannot say that your BLP claim holds up entirely, as the material is all sourced. Please take this to the talk page. NW (Talk) 18:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks

• Stop it; I don't need to template a regular, but a good read of WP:NPA and WP:AGF may be useful. No, I wasn't previously aware of the "foreign agent" issue; I'm a math/science person, and my mind doesn't go where yours went. At any rate, stop the attacks. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Second warning, AGF and NPA

Please read WP:NPA and WP:AGF and refrain from spreading untrue statements about me across Wiki. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I believe it to be true that you are conducting a smear campaign, and I'm in the process of collecting evidence. You on the other hand have repeatedly repeated claims about me which you know to be false, because I have shown them to be false and you have made no argument. Rd232 23:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Would you care to explain what "claims I am repeatedly making about you that I know to be false"? I'm always willing to strike anything that was posted in error. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Well that sounds so reasonable that I'll have to take you up on it when I have the time. Not right now, but soonish. Rd232 23:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I hope you will understand if you find the time just when I'm traveling, have had surgery followed by a cold, or am dealing with six RFCs at FAC :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

SPI page

Rd232, I've moved one of your comments already, but you posted again in the Evidence section in direct response to Sandy. I believe since you are not the filing party, your comments should go in the "Comments by accused parties". --Andy Walsh (talk) 19:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice the prior moval. Followed the usual talk page convention without thinking about it. Rd232 21:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Separate query

Rd232, will you please decide if you are or are not retiring, and remove the tag at the top of your page if you decide you're not? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

The tag at the top of the page says "SEMI RETIRED". Below that - as part of the template - it says "This user is no longer very active on Misplaced Pages."

In addition I've already said to you that I only engaged with the whole CEPR issue because of the open OTRS ticket not being handled (and then CEPR people, shamefully, being blocked from explaining their concerns!).

To be absolutely clear: my intention to reduce my level of activity to the occasional edit was going quite well - a week without any editing at all - until it became clear that your (continuing) smear campaign had led to an OTRS ticket and was not being dealt with appropriately. Rd232 21:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

I got interested in the Venezuela and Chavez issue after reading "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" by Greg Palast, who I think is one of the best American investigative journalists. He has some really good documents in there (that he has 'found') about the coup against Chavez and on the IMF and World Bank. After reading the articles on Misplaced Pages recently about the issue, I thought they were pretty well done, and I wanted to thank you for your effort. Then I read the talk page and after seeing Sandy's crazy talk discussion I read all about the controversy between you and her. Now I am not someone who thinks that Chavez is perfect by any means, but I do think that he is treated incredibly unfairly by the US media (such as calling an elected man a dictator but turning a blind eye to the dictators they put in power). It's a shame that we cannot get more true information on this remarkable (even if you think in a bad way) man, so that we can properly judge the merits of the work he does. But anyways, I just wanted to thank you for the constant harassment by SandyGeorgia you put up with (and she somehow gets off with saying that YOU personally attack HER (and says it ALL the time), although she never gives sources where you "attack" her, unlike your sources that show her attacking you). I hope you will not fully retire from Misplaced Pages ever because you seem like someone who really wants to help others receive the truth, regardless of your own personal opinions (too bad Sandy and the people she rallies against you can't see that or do the same themselves).

And why does she care so much about whether or not you are retiring and if you have a tag up there?129.133.193.100 (talk) 21:16, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

er, thanks. I have that book somewhere - must have read it - but don't really remember it. It is sadly ironic that Sandy is pressuring me to either fuck off into retirement or take the semiretirement tag off, given that I largely semi-retired because of her harassment. Unfortunately, she is incredibly good at it. Unsolicited messages and emails of support from people who have had similar issues with her on unrelated topics have made me feel less alone; but also more exposed. People seem scared to take her on - and it's bloody obvious why! Rd232 21:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, especially with her edit amount and the way she rallies her supporters to attack those she disagrees with. It's really quite astonishing. I always wonder why people like her (or any people with strong but narrow views, like racists) are willing to put so much energy into attacking other people, and its sad that its usually way more effort than people like me (and you, I'm guessing) who just want to get by and make what improvement we can, and aren't filled with such passion from all that hate or personal sorrow or whatever spurs people like her. Good natured people seem to make a lot less change (in the world in general) than their opposites (like greedy people). Just don't let her get to you, because she's not worth it, and the truth always wins out eventually (especially with help like yours).129.133.193.100 (talk) 21:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Folks, seriously. You need to focus on content, not people. I can very much see that anon IP's comment compares SandyGeorgia to a racist. Tone it down, please. I have had my intense frustrations with other users and have had to act out my frustrations off Misplaced Pages. I suggest you do the same. --Moni3 (talk) 21:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I think we can focus on whatever we want with a private discussion. And I did compare her (and her characteristics) to a racist's (you can "very much see"? I'm glad since that was the point. I obviously wasn't trying to hide that). And that doesn't mean that she is a racist at all. It's called an analogy; it gets at certain central similarities (although for someone with so much hate against the poor people of Venezuela who support and love Chavez in favor of the rich white aristocracy down there, I wouldn't be surprised if she were one. Although I have no opinion on whether or not she is a racist, and I gladly admit that I have never seen her say anything overtly racist). And what is this about intense frustrations you have to act out off Misplaced Pages? I don't get frustrated so much I have to flip out (especially not over a website)... And also, my post was not really about Sandy (although it mentions her), it was about thanking Rd for his work on Misplaced Pages and discussing a shared interest in Venezuela. Maybe you should focus on yourself instead of people who aren't even concerned with you, and let people talk if they want to on "their own" pages129.133.193.100 (talk) 21:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Gotcha. Your response is noted. --Moni3 (talk) 22:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Moni3, I am immature and I hope my comments do not reflect on Rd232 at all. And to Rd232, her followers really have it out for you don't they? Checking your page more than you do!129.133.193.100 (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Rd232 I just wanted to apologize if this caused/causes you any hardship from Sandy. She is already using this discussion to say that she was called a racist (when I explicitly say I have no reason to believe that) and by her lack of identification of me as the author, seems to imply that it was from you or off2rio who made the statement that was never made. Also see here for more on my understanding of my own misuse of Misplaced Pages129.133.193.100 (talk) 03:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, yes, that's both ludicrous and yet entirely typical of Sandy. It's also true that this exchange on my talk page - as well as some of the other things you've said/done, which I've not really followed - was not particularly helpful. I see you're blocked now; I don't know whether that's merited or not, but I do know that editing other people's user subpages, without an invitation, is generally not done. Take advantage of the 24-hr block to rethink what you're trying to do here and how successful you are. Rd232 07:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)