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I speak Mandairn JFBurton (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC).

When is consensus bullying?

I feel as though I am being bullied out of Misplaced Pages when all I do for the most part is qualitatively improve articles by adding citations. I have a group of malign editors that have formed a cohort against me. They have searched really hard to find a few matters of dispute out of my 20,000 or more edits that I have made to this Project. I would appreciate some of your time.
B9 hummingbird hovering 10:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I've reviewed the proposed ban discussion and the request for comment. There is not a group of malign editors who have formed a cohort against you. There is a group of good editors who have tried very hard to help you edit in a way that makes the encyclopedia better. You have given every indication that you simply don't understand what they are saying- it seems that the problem is not that you refuse to write in a way that's appropriate for an encyclopedia, but that you are not able to write in a way that's appropriate for an encyclopedia. I have no doubt that you mean well, and are trying to improve the encyclopedia. But your actual edits make the encyclopedia worse. Others have tried to teach and help you, but it has not worked. The guideline that people are mentioning in the discussion most often is the one that says Competence Is Required. It makes me sad to see people banned for this reason, every time it happens, and I know that it makes the users who are proposing it sad, too. That's why they tried so hard to help and teach you. But when helping and teaching don't work, Misplaced Pages can't permit a user to keep editing who will continue making the encyclopedia worse. Especially if that person is making 20,000 or more edits that other users have to review and remove or correct or rewrite. I'm sorry that it's working out this way, but since you have not learned from the people who have already tried to help, I'm not sure what more I can do. Thank you for trying, and I hope that you'll have better success in your next hobby. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Seventeen tantras, Mindstream, Nyingma Gyubum, Jigme Lingpa... what is wrong with those articles? I feel like I am in some surreal parallel universe. Good editors? That is not my experience. And making an assertion that I lack competence is not true. B9 hummingbird hovering 12:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel like it would be useful to repeat here what others have already told you- your writing is completely unreadable to a user who isn't familiar with the subject. Misplaced Pages articles need to be things that can be read and understood. If a reasonably bright high school student can't understand what you've written, there's very little point in writing it. I'm a reasonably bright college graduate, looking at Seventeen tantras, and I have no idea what the seventeen tantras are, what they say, who wrote them, who they're important to, or what impact they've had on the tradition they come from. I don't understand a single paragraph of it, and the problem is not that I'm a weak reader. The article exists, but since it doesn't communicate any information to anyone, it isn't that helpful that it exists. If people have been trying to help you write clearly and simply for two years, and this is the result, then it doesn't seem that people's help is going to change the situation. If you could write simply and clearly, you would already have done so. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:33, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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Someone has been maliciously impersonating you off-wiki

Looks like someone has set up an account with the name FisherQueen on Podblanc. See . This is likely an attempt to smear you, possibly by Craig Cobb himself. I just thought I ought to let you know, so you can post a disclaimer on your userpage if you think it's necessary. Nawlinwiki, TerryE and I have also been targeted in the same way. Whoever created these fake accounts has also uploaded videos in our usernames with vulgar, racist, and anti-Semitic titles. Stonemason89 (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Disproved...

: Yes, scientists use "prove" only when talking about math or when unconcerned about precision. But "disprove" if used much more often, because you can disprove things by a single counterexample, even in the strict mathematical sense (baring philosophical sophistries about the nature of reality, of course). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean; feel free to change it back if you like 'disprove' better. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries, your version is just as fine. I just took objection to the edit summary in this context. As you might guess, this is a portrait of me. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 11:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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AfD etiquette

I didn't want to post this at ANI, but take a look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/2010 Oban derailment. My gut feeling is that it was nominated because the nominator didn't manage to create it himself. I was trying for an ITN which is why the article had to be created as soon as possible to get a credit if it had made ITN (it didn't, but will get a DTK instead). I'm afraid I did get riled and take the mickey out of MickMacNee (talk · contribs) a bit with the GA comment - although there's no reason why the article can't make GA in time (the Grayrigg derailment is an example). MickMacNee is an editor who holds strong views and isn't readily given to accepting that he is wrong, which makes discussion with him problematic. I did not engage him on his talk page as I was trying to keep the drama to a minimum. It should be noted that I also chided an editor who made a comment in the AfD against MMN which MMN removed as a personal attack. Mjroots (talk) 08:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Hm. I guess you're hoping that a more vague discussion at ANI will clarify how much input the nominating editor should put in at an AfD discussion, in a more general way, since you don't think direct discussion will be effective? Someone would still have to tell him the results of that discussion, though. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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But I ask you...

... how often is an essay posted on here any good? Nice comment. Cheers. — Timneu22 · talk 15:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I've seen one or two, but in general, people who can write well enough to write a good essay, can also write well enough to recognize that Misplaced Pages is not a good place for an essay. I think it's interesting that the writer has now given us his real name- a conceptual artist who does not use English as a first language. I checked out his web site; I like some of his paintings. He just doesn't get what an encyclopedia is, unfortunately, and is behaving in a way that, perhaps, has been a successful strategy for him in the art world. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to make this a bumper sticker: people who can write well enough to write a good essay, can also write well enough to recognize that Misplaced Pages is not a good place for an essay. — Timneu22 · talk 15:35, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Too long. I hate it when I have to squint to read someone's bumper sticker and I end up creeping up right behind them at a light and they think I'm stalking them but really it's just the basic compulsion to read things. That's why it is no fair that some women wear shorts or sweat pants with stuff written on the butt. They trick you into looking at their butts and feeling like a dirty old man by writing on it. No fair. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The "old" issues I had with Dr.K. remain quite fresh in my mind considering that 'K' and others have continued commenting well into June.

1) A closer look at the issue will demonstrate that Dr.K. has managed to parlay the support of 3 or so other administrators for a fresh round of threats and attacks.

2) I do not take lightly an administrator's near-simultaneous first warning and last warning before ejection, all about 1 or 2 edits, particularly when they relate to inherently political viewpoints and apparently precipitated the personal antagonism of the administrator in question. In this case the subject matter was the candidacy of former eBay CEO Meg Whitman, a Republican who has never held public office currently running for governor of California against Jerry Brown, previous governor of California and current attorney general.

My understanding is that there is strong discouragement in Misplaced Pages policy of such drastic acceleration of administrative actions. Yet K ran through the full panoply of disciplinary phases based on 2 edits of a single topic with no sign of any defense of me, a lowly sporadic editor, from any more fair-minded administrators. Since K put out a clarion call to all 1700+ administrators to support his methods, the fact that no one has stepped forward to this date to suggest that K was overreacting (he having gone so far as to mock my claim that severe illness had left me unaware of his advancements against me - resultng in a virtual trial in absentia). Further, considering the vitriole of my multiple warnings and with my Google Timeline revealing that I had not even been online at all when "my" last breach took place, there was reason for me to suspect that such highly politicized administrators, being disappointed and frustrated by my apparent failure to invite myself to my own wiki-execution by carrying out further 'vandalism', instead carried it out in my name.

As the saying goes, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." The question here is not who WOULD by technologically capable of pulling off this nefarious variation upon sock-puppetry, but rather who, among this highly resourceful group of persons clever enough to become administrators WOULD NOT be clever enough to impersonate me on Misplaced Pages -- that is, if they chose. I hasten to add that only a very few administrators would choose to corrupt Misplaced Pages in this or any other manner. But there are freelancers in every large organization, and "very few" administrators would be sufficient to get the job done.

Again, call me paranoid. But don't tell me that such things couldn't happen, particularly considering the current atmosphere of bitterness and enmity which exists between the Republicans and the Democrats in California at every level. . . . QuintBy : Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not vandalism 19:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quintby (talk • contribs)

I think that my suggestion was to let it go, because it's over. Are you requesting some specific action from me? You were not blocked for whatever content issue you are talking about, but for repeatedly removing content from another user's talk page- simple vandalism which I'm sure you won't do again. No further action seems to be needed. If some further action is needed, you'll need to be more specific about what you're asking me for. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

In addition, allow me to reassure you that it is not possible for anyone other than yourself to make edits from your account. No administrator has any access to your account.- unless you've left yourself logged in on a public computer, or given your password to someone, no one but you can edit using your account. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

China

So ... was it fabulous? Was it an adventure (bearing in mind the Mark Twain definition of an adventure, in which at some point you wish you were home in bed - 14-hour flights don't count)? Acroterion _(talk) 03:31, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I attempted to hike five miles of the Great Wall. In fact, I DID hike five miles of the Great Wall, since once you're up there and the bus has moved on to meet you at the end of the hike, there isn't much choice but to keep walking up and down those steep, crumbling steps. Nearly crippled me. It was definitely a learning experience, the trip to China, and broadened my mind and my worldview, and I saw and smelled and tasted many things that were new to me. And I've resolved to never leave my apartment again, ever. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 03:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I assume that there were vendors at the end of the hike with cool, refreshing drinks and inflated prices? Inner Mongolia in June might have been a bit warm. Acroterion _(talk) 11:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

The entrepreneurs (not just at the end, but on every watchtower) didn't bother me so much. The woman whose business plan was to be so annoying that I would pay her to go away, her, I could have done without. I let her follow me for a mile, telling me things I didn't need to know and trying to take my hand to 'help' me up steps, just politely telling her 'no thank you.' At the seventh watchtower, she produced postcards. "You buy, I go back," she said. "You no buy, I follow- whole way." "No, thank you," I said- and halfway to the next tower, when she was still there, I wheeled around suddenly, and the mountains of China rang with my shout of "FUCK OFF! GO AWAY!" She backed up about three steps, eyes wide. "You crazy!" she said. "YES! CRAZY! FUCK OFF! GO AWAY!" Then she started trying to argue. "You no good! No good!" "YES! NO GOOD! FUCK OFF! GO AWAY!" And... she went away. And I continued my walk in relative peace. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Your approach might not exactly emulate the Confucian ideal, but was effective (and I bet she wrings a fair business out of people who are too damn polite to up the ante). Acroterion _(talk) 14:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Great Wall of China, you have been trolled. If you weren't already an admin that story would make me want to nominate you. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Apologies

You were right - I should not edit when distracted. My apologies. GregJackP (talk) 15:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

No big. I could see where the confusion lay; you wouldn't have seen it without a close-ish look at the article history.-FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:44, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Practice what you preach please

You said on your block denial at User talk:Cimicifugia the following, "Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project; it works through people working together. Insulting other users makes it impossible to work together to improve the articles. Editing disputes can be stressful and difficult..." . This edit of yours clearly shows you did not do your homework. Had you done your homework you would have known to give Bali ultimate the exact same thing, or a block or maybe a warning. In the future, please do your homework first and please practice what you preach? Thanks. Caden 02:37, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't block User:Cimicifugia. If I had, to be honest, I might indeed have blocked them both. I just reviewed the unblock request. "You did not do your homework?" "Practice what you preach?" Are you sure you want me to block everyone who has behaved rudely in this dispute? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Chinese

Hi! I corrected my translation. Please take a look at the thread. The more accurate translation of the verb 報 is "let (someone) know". Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 06:58, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I like that even better. I didn't want to be... you know, the kind of person who buys Chinese writing just because it's pretty without caring what it says. Even though I guess I did exactly that. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

SamEV and CashRules

Hi, could you take a look as SamEV's latest comments at Talk:Dominican Republic#Sex tourism? Concerning the "sex tourism" issue, several editors have hammered out a workable compromise, and I have implemented the solution. SamEV remains opposed to the compromise on the sole grounds that the original material was contributed by CashRules, whos status as a sock of UnclePaco has yet to be proven. I'm not in anyway an activist, especially on this issue, but Sam is beginning to become a disruption there. I've tried to hold a neutral postion in the dispute, and, as both CashRules and Sam think I support the other person, I must either be dead on, or way way off! I would welcome your opinion as an editor, and/or your oversight as an admin. - BilCat (talk) 22:47, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Ugh. There's enough bad faith in that discussion to fill a small boat. Maybe I'll just wait until they start edit-warring again and then block everyone, if they can't sort it out like reasonable people, until the sockpuppet investigation concludes. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC)