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A fact from Brimstone (missile) appeared on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 July 2004. The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that the Brimstone missile, an anti-tank guided missile, is carried by three Royal Air Force aeroplane types? A record of the entry may be seen at Misplaced Pages:Recent additions/2004/July.

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Regarding information on the article

"The missile is a development of Boeing's AGM-114 Hellfire and is designed to meet the RAF's requirement for a long range anti-armour weapon"

I thought that the AGM-114 Hellfire was a Lockheed Martin designed and built weapon, not a Boeing weapon. Can someone backup this statement or if it cannot be verified, be removed or edited? Thanks. ThePointblank 01:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Brimstone is based on the original Hellfire missile, a Boeing product. LM are responsible for Hellfire II.

better pic?

Isn't there a better pic, even if its a static mock-up at an airshow?

Would be nice to have a pic of three on the triple rail launcher system. Bumper12 02:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

change infobox?

Um, maybe we should change the infobox from ((weapon-missile)) to ((Infobox_Missile))? virtually all the other missiles are using this. Cheers. Bumper12 (talk) 22:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

news

According to www.flightglobal.com, the Dual Mode seeker version (Laser instead of MMW radar) is now in service with RAF, and has flown on a sortie in Iraq.

Think this can be added - but I'm not sure if this new DMS variant is the same thing as Brimstone 2?

Anyone know? Bumper12 (talk) 03:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Just an observation from a visitor - I'm not familiar with editing so hopefully one of you can deal with this. The missile referred to as "Brimstone 2" is indeed Dual Mode Seeker Brimstone. The manufacturer's own blurb is at the following link:

http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/EN_DUAL-MODE-BRIMSTONE_416.html

This has all the correct dates for the first operational mission (in Iraq) with DMS Brimstone and the first firing (in Afghanistan). The version in use in Libya at the moment is DMS Brimstone - the following Telegraph report mentions that the missiles were laser-guided.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8158433/RAF-launches-attacks-on-Gaddafi-armour.html

I am not aware of any operational deployment or usage of the "original" Brimstone so the information on the current version of the page is incorrect.

A good closeup of the DMS Brimstone is here:

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/14/a1ac5291-ad87-45f4-9ec1-81dd36143faa.Large.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.113.164 (talk) 00:43, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Harriers

I've tried to sort things out a bit, and generally update things. The one thing that's not clear is where it got to on the Harrier. The mid-2009 video was widely reported as being from a Harrier firing in Afghanistan, but it just doesn't make sense given that the weapon was never officially cleared for the Harrier. I can only conclude that some journalists got the wrong end of a stick during a briefing and confused the Harrier with the Tornado, which had just come arrived in theatre and would want to show off its new toy. However it's hard to prove that when the only sources say the other way.

www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006psa_apr/mulholland.pdf has some useful details.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8463799/Libya-RAF-fears-over-missile-shortages.html quotes a price of £105k/shot - I've not seen any official source for this?

There's some reasonable pics of it deployed on TELIC at http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafoperationalupdate/gallery/gallery21dec08.cfm Be nice to have a good pic of the underside of a plane in flight carrying some though - maybe the USAF has taken some Wiki-licensable pics? 82.31.18.156 (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Having poked around, it looks like final integration on the Harrier came quite close to signing off before getting delayed in early 2010 as a cost-cutting thing - obviously someone took the view that since they had left Afghanistan and were going back to the carriers they might as well wait until the IM version was ready in 2012. I've done some further tidying - it could do with some more on the history of the programme in the late 90s/early 00s, and the technical stuff needs much better referencing, but at least the intro is a bit more fit for purpose now. 82.31.18.156 (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

If you want to see what the Harrier can and cannot carry, check this link and website: http://www.phoenixthinktank.org/?p=1025 It is an official think tank.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 22:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• This official photo shows clearly that the Harrier can carry the Brimstione (12, count them!) but despite this, will not carry it due to an "overlapping interest" as stated by the Royal Navy pilot - Commander Nigel (Sharkey) Ward (a well known Falklands War veteran) in the "Phoenix Think Tank" link which Foxhound66 has provided above. --Dave 07:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

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