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Unnecessary joke page - seems like a clear case of WP:NOT. Part of a pattern of joke pages from this editor. MikeWazowski (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

not a joke page. This is advice to TC page editors/creators.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 17:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete - If this is meant to be serious, some amount of consensus would have been a good thing before creating it. ~~ Hi878 17:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Extreme Keep - per WP:BOLD it is allowed to create pages without consensus "Just do it", and this is advice, not policy.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 17:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC) Project doesn't want, so I'm EVI'ing.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 01:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Keep unless the project says that they don't want it. It doesn't look like the purpose of the page is entirely humourous and it is for the project to decide what pages they do and do not want. Hut 8.5 17:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC) change to Delete since the project evidently doesn't want it. Hut 8.5 10:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the project even knew it existed - I've now notified them of this discussion, tho. MikeWazowski (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete - WPTC project member - Do we really need this? Some of the facts he has put down are wrong, eg: There will never be another TC named Katrina or Wilma after the Atlantic versions of 2005 as there was another Wilma earlier this year. There is a lot of stuff there that we do not need written down as it is common sense eg "A tropical cyclone is not a blizzard".Jason Rees (talk) 19:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete - As another project member, there isn't anything necessary, useful, or even important about this page. Darren23 20:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete as a project member. I'm a little embarrassed to have that up here. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete as a project member. And delete all of the redirects and page creations for each of the individual what a TC is not. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not going to go against my fellow hurricaniphiles. If you guys want it gone, absolutely then so be it. I just wasn't gonna give it in to Wazowski, who is not a project member, hurricaniphile, or correct about the page's nature. Although I didn't say anything about wilma... But anyway, if the general in-project consensus develops to delete it, I support that 100%.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 00:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
  • And in one of life's great ironies, Bowser423 isn't a member of the hurricane wikiproject either... I do believe I was correct about the nature of the page under discussion, tho. MikeWazowski (talk) 00:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Yes I am and no you weren't. This was never a joke page.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 00:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Dude, you do realize that all edits are time-stamped, don't you? You went and added yourself to the member list about 25 minutes after I posted that you weren't listed there. Nice try. MikeWazowski (talk) 00:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
        • I have had the userbox for days I just forgot to list myself. check the timestamp on the userbox.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 01:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
• Yea you didnt say anything about Wilma but you did say about Katrina so i chose to use Wilma as a decent example of what i was rattling on about.Jason Rees (talk) 00:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
• Well, personal vendettas have no place on WP, and "hurricaniphile" is a wholly inappropriate term in addition. But I also move to delete this page as largely inaccurate and entirely useless for our purposes (nothing personal, of course). Juliancolton (talk) 00:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
  • What do you have against "hurricaniphile"? It's not derogatory. it literally means one who love hurricanes.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 00:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete While boldness is good, there has to be a community benefit for pages to exist in the Misplaced Pages namespace (or in other namespaces, for that matter). We are here to build the encyclopedia, not to create unclear essays. Johnuniq (talk) 00:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. Of very, very limited use. I'm not one of the "guys" (apparently the hurricane folk are guys), mind you, but it seems they have spoken clearly. And there are dozens of redirects attached to this page. All this is taking up too much server space. Drmies (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Snowball delete per above. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 00:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete, the page is completely useless. Additionally, the creator of the page has created a plethora of completely useless redirects pointing to this page, which is becoming rather disruptive. Titoxd 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Even though the page has been userfied, that does not mean that it is still appropriate for Misplaced Pages, since Misplaced Pages is not your webhost. My delete position stands. Titoxd 01:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Dude, that's a whole nother MfD. this one is over. I have thrown in the towel here.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 01:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
      • No. You don't get to reset the timer just by moving (or in this case, copy-pasting) the page. Titoxd 01:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
        • Notice what the title of this discussion is. It is not the same as the title of the EVI'd page. Therefore, this is not the place to discuss it.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 01:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
          • Actually this is the place to discuss it since it is mostly the same content that you have just C&Pd in to Userspace.Jason Rees (talk) 01:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
            • (edit conflict) Which is irrelevant, since the page in your userspace can be speedy deleted as a recreation of validly deleted content unless there is consensus to userfy or allow the page to stay in your user space—and I personally don't think that page should stay, even in your userspace. Titoxd 01:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
              • G4 does not apply to content for which the reason for deletion has become N/A. The project does not want it, so it is no longer with the project. Therefore G4 does not/can not apply.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 01:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
                • The reason for deletion is not voided by putting the page in your user space, since the deletion rationale is that the material in it is inappropriate for Misplaced Pages, not whether WPTC wants it in its project space. Titoxd 01:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete page; delete redirects, and block editor for competence reasons if it gets to that. This is just stupid. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 02:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
  • That sure looked like a WP:PERSONAL attack, passerby. We are here to discuss the issue of the article, not me. You disagreeing with my page does not make me incompetent nor stupid.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 13:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
    • And it actually says in that essay that giving it to a questioned user to read is uncivil.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping the skies bright 14:15, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete - Bring it to the Hurricane Wiki, keep it off of Misplaced Pages. If you want to know what a Tropical Cyclone is read the article. -Marcusmax(speak) 17:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Just delete period - This is an eyesore. No one but the editor who made it has an interest in it. Plus it has absolutely no encyclopedic value. As for the user in question, accusing people of personal attacks with absolutely no evidence is rather incivil. Strange Passerby didn't accuse you of stupidity. You've implied it that way, but Strange Passerby did not outright call you stupid. Mitch32 18:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Snowball delete - per nom and feedback from members of the related WikiProject. Note: this type of content may be more suitable at http://hurricanes.wikia.com or http://weather.wikia.com instead of Misplaced Pages (not saying it is more suitable, just that it may be more suitable - depends on the comunity at those Wikis on how they would receive the content). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Snowball delete - per everyone. As I've apparently been told, these things should start in my userspace... So Imma just issue an EVI for this.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 00:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm pretty sure myself and most other members of WPTC and of the encyclopedia itself are trying to WP:AGF in this instance. Creating "evacuation" templates, typing in larger font sizes, and creating pages about how not to do something are not helping your cause. If you are serious about weather, then go to one of the projects and find something to work on. On Misplaced Pages there is always something that needs to be done. -Marcusmax(speak) 02:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Then please just move it to your userspace so we can begin to delete all of the redirects to the various page sections. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
      • I DID. Go ahead.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 13:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Objection to userfying - Why should this exist period, Misplaced Pages namespace or Userspace? This has no encyclopedic value and considering the editor in question here seems to be getting less civil, writing in disruptive text (which really should be removed by an uninvolved admin). This is a joke page. I am a fan of WP:BJAODN, but this should be somewhere like that, not in userspace. It has no value and why this is still open is beyond me.Mitch32 21:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
  • If I'm serious, it's not a joke page I am serious, so it is not a joke page. It is a serious attempt at advice.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 16:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
    • There is a very large dose of IDIDNTHEARTHAT here. Misplaced Pages is not a personal website where people store stuff that interests them. Everything (whether user space or not) is supposed to help the encyclopedia. Just consider all of the time from independent editors that is being wasted in this outbreak of nonsense—that alone should cause any collaborative editor to immediately desist and to ask for all their inappropriate pages to be removed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
• Delete anyway. Moving it to userspace is just sweeping it under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist. If we don't want it, we don't want it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 00:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Listen, guys, there are some important things here which are often misconceived. Not a Coastal Storm, Not a tornado, Not a tsunami, Not a Nor'Easter, Not Always Tropical, Not a Point, and Does Not Turn This, That, or the Other Way are all common myths and misconceptions which put people's lives in danger all the time. This is a guide to all of the misconceptions which are not true. It isn't a joke, It isn't nonsense, It isn't wrong, It isn't inappropriate, It is the difference between life and death. I am sorry if one or two users thought it was a joke, I am sorry if the tone mad too much light of the subject, but it is about discrediting misconceptions. You guys, having an interest in WPTC, can understand those issues, right? Everybody in the field has run into one of those internet idiots who thinks that landfall is required for damage; or that severe damage is limited to the coast; or that the storms all go this way or that and miss them; or that living in New York City somehow makes them safe. Those people have a dangerous misguided complacency which is as life threatening as the storm itself. A few of the other ones are just advice for article writers, but the list I have given here (also on the page in question) is life and death information. Saving the life of a well-informed person is easy. Saving the life of an ignorant one is not. If ignorant, TC-uneducated lives mean anything to this project, then this is not inappropriate. If those people mean anything to this project, then just leave it be in my userspace.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright 01:50, 29 July 2011 (UTC)