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Notability

We are having trouble establishing whether the subject of this BLP meets WP:BIO. The most relevant avenues would seem WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR. These are two possibilities, but neither is particularly strong:

• Although she is the recipient of a Lambda award, it was not based on a work of her own (she was its editor).
• Although the mainpage says she received an Emmy award, she actually received the "San Francisco/Northern California Emmy Award", not the very notable Emmy Award

The subject does not appear to meet any other criterion of WP:PROF. Only few of her pubs are peer-reviewed, and she has a GS h-index of about 11, which is not very high.
The only coverage of the subject in a secondary source appears to be a brief piece in a local Chicago LGBT newspaper. All well and good, but not a clear indication of WP:GNG, and it is the only one apparent at all. Any assistance in establishing notability would be appreciated.
— James Cantor (talk) 18:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps we should cut to the chase and try to explain how Stryker's work has helped discredit J. Michael Bailey? If that's not enough we could just fall back on her current list of awards and accomplishments. This article will never get deleted as she flies over GNG. Insomesia (talk) 19:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

(ec) If Stryker was at all involved in the Bailey's now 10 year old book, it's news to me. Your trouble with WP:AGF is neither nor there, but it does suggest that a reasoned discussion on this topic is not going to be had with you, and outside opinions will need to be sought.

To get back to the topic, you are saying that her notability is based upon her awards. Here on WP, there are very clear guidelines about what kinds of awards demonstrate notability, and they all include being a well-known national or international award. For the first two claims on the page (an "Emmy" and a Lambda), I have already indicated why they are not clear indicators. If you would like to list the awards which you believe are on the level described in WP:BIO (the Olympics, a real Emmy, etc.), I will be happy to indicate why I disagree (or that you have convinced me). If you are arguing that multiple local or low-level awards in combination establish her notability, then I can only suggest you peruse the discussions going on at WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Authors.

— James Cantor (talk) 21:29, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Individual awards and their notability wrt WP:BIO, WP:PROF, WP:AUTHOR, etc.

Six potential honours have been provided to establish the notability of this subject. These are my reasons for why they do not establish GNG. (Two of these honours I discussed in a prior edit, and I am pasting them again here for easier reference.)

1. Although she is the recipient of a Lambda award, it was not based on a work of her own (she was its editor).
2. Although the mainpage says she received an Emmy award, she actually received the "San Francisco/Northern California Emmy Award", not the very notable Emmy Award
3. Community Vanguard Award from the Transgender Law Center. This is a local community award, not a well-known national or international one.
4. Local Hero Award from station KQED. As much as I like public radio, it's a local hero award, not a well-known national or international hero award.
5. Paul Monette Award finalist. As per WP:AUTHOR guidelines, being a finalist does not establish notability, except for multiple nominations.
6. Lambda Literary Award nomination for photographic book, two nominations. The lambda award is not on the level of the examples provided in WP:BIO

I make no claims about how the culture of various deletion discussions vary from guidelines-as-written, but as written, this BLP does not as yet meet them.
— James Cantor (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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