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October 2012

Bangladeshi political families

Seems likely to be easy to improve. Warden (talk) 15:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Ryukyu Arc

I know it's a long-shot to ask for help here with that article, as it would take a boffin to improve it, but it seems to me that content similar with what we have at Izu-Bonin-Mariana Arc should exist for Japan's other major southern island arc. Tijfo098 (talk) 03:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thraco-Roman

There have been several attempts to fully remove and redirect this article, by a user trying to push radical POVs/revisionism at any price. We need your help to better source and structure it. The Thraco-Roman concept is notable, parts of the article are sourced, it has versions in 6 languages and tons of articles link to it. Thanks.--Codrin.B (talk) 09:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Quick note: This is not currently at AfD. But do we need more unbiased editors dealing with the baloney slung by editors in this area of the world (former Yugoslavia through Greece)? Definitely.--Milowent • 15:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Study for a Caricature (Leonardo, Milan)

An unsourced stub article about a drawing by Leonardo da Vinci that needs sourcing. Northamerica1000 07:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Well, it needs sourcing if it can be verified. A close look is merited, but the discussion seems to be finding that we have a WP:V problem.--Milowent • 15:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Maybe it's a WP:HOAX. Northamerica1000 16:55, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• All four book results are from Misplaced Pages, it saying that in their descriptions when you click on them. If it was real, then surely some book would mention it somewhere, or the museum's website would have it listed. Dream Focus 17:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Addended my initial post above. Northamerica1000 02:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

list of celebrity hairdressers

This is the sort of topic which geeky males don't get, unlike list of Linux distributions or list of Gunsmoke television episodes. Due to this huge bias against female fashion, we still have a rich seam of fresh content to mine. Warden (talk) 23:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Nominator seems unaware of the face that "list of celebrity" or similar articles do exist in droves, such as the celebrated List of celebrities who own wineries and vineyards. Some may be bad, but the majority are well-established. The AfD is already drawing broad attention, I see.--Milowent • 06:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Hayden Wayne

Not sure if this one can even be saved, but thought I'd see if it could before sending it off to Afd. This seems to be a marginally (or non) notable BLP, written as a bit of a hagiography. I can't seem to find any sources which are not the subject, but there should be, somewhere. Not knowing all that much about the music industry, I don't even know where to begin looking. KillerChihuahua 20:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, one of the links provided in the article appears to be an interview with WNIB, a Chicago classical music station. There are some reviews of his music on highbeam: . There are also a few articles that mention him: . I also noticed a few other trivial mentions here and there, but I don't know if any of this really adds up to notability.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 22:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks, TDA - Your assistance with this article would be much appreciated. KillerChihuahua 09:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't have access to highbeam articles so I think it is better to find someone who does.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

David Benowitz

Seeking the assistance of the Article Rescue Squadron to determine whether a Misplaced Pages biography about attorney David Benowitz currently could be restored. Benowitz is now a lecturer in law at George Washington University, and having handled many high-profile cases that received ample coverage in regional media, Benowitz is routinely invited to appear on cable networks like MSNBC to provide legal analysis on nationally noteworthy cases. Now, to disclose, I have a conflict of interest regarding Benowitz, as I am a partner in the lawfirm. In 2010, Benowitz had become nationally visible for his work disputing the reliability of "breathalyzer" equipment used by police forces. So, our firm thought it was appropriate to see a Misplaced Pages article published about Benowitz. Not being familiar with the editing and publication process, we did what any business might do when they're not expert in an area of specialization -- we searched Google for a Misplaced Pages expert to handle the work. Finding one on a freelance consultant site, we were given assurances that their team of editors was compliant with Misplaced Pages policies, etc., so we hired them to help with a Benowitz biography. Within a short time, even before anything was published on Misplaced Pages, we found the interaction with the editor to be so strange and unprofessional that we could no longer engage with the firm we had hired, and we sought to terminate our relationship with the firm. Well, against our wishes, they went ahead anyway and published a malformed article about Benowitz, which was deleted in due time by User:Courcelles. After some months, we sought again to find a *better* author of Misplaced Pages articles, and having found one, engaged again in the middle of 2011 to publish a reliable, properly-sourced article about Benowitz. A version of that article is in my "sandbox" space (link) for your consideration. That article was eventually reviewed and determined to be worthy only of deletion. Considering that since that February 2012 deletion, Benowitz has been hired by George Washington University as a lecturer, and he handled the newsworthy case of Michael Poth (a U.S. Marine charged with second-degree murder of another Marine), I think it's quite possible that Benowitz passes Misplaced Pages's various notability requirements. Our firm has not paid anyone to make this request on our behalf, and we won't seek to pay anyone else for further editorial work on a David Benowitz biography. Having learned that paid editing is frowned upon, we're interested in engaging with Misplaced Pages according to its community standards. I'm asking the Article Rescue Squadron to take a look at whether a bio about David Benowitz could be passed through a "deletion review" process, with the added elements of notability conferred by the George Washington lecturer position and by the handling of the Michael Poth case. - Dogdaymorning (talk) 01:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for asking for our input. Unfortunately, however, I think the AFD at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/David Benowitz got it right. Technically, a deletion review or DRV would only be appropriate if the AfD close was incorrect, but here the consensus in the deletion discussion was clearly in favor of delete, so the administrator closing the debate properly deleted it. As to whether a proper article could be recreated, I'd say probably not. There are many top notch attorneys in the United States, but you'll note that few of them have Misplaced Pages articles about themselves. Its the same with most professionals. Most law school professors do not merit articles, to say nothing of lecturers. There are no biographical profiles from independent reliable sources about David, and press mentions in the context of commenting on his own cases or legal stories in the news are not sufficient. Not to say you can't find examples on[REDACTED] where no on has noticed an attorney is not notable, e.g., Benjamin Crump, one of Trayvon Martin's attorneys, may not be notable, and his coverage far exceeds Benowitz.--Milowent • 03:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Blended learning

This seems to be the beginning of the end for AFD. Here we have an admin utterly failing to follow the proper process outlined at WP:BEFORE: no discussion on the talk page; no serious attempt to edit or even tag the article for improvement. No, he just brings the matter to AFD in the hope that a fairy godmother will do the work of improvement for him or otherwise it will all be destroyed. Now Kudpung is a mature and respected admin but he's just not playing by the rules here. I could rewrite the article in a trice myself - it would only take an hour to completely transform it and give it excellent references. But my reward for this effort would just be to have others bringing more poorly written articles to AFD so I think I'll go to bed instead. The rest of you can please take a look and see what you make of this sorry state of affairs. Warden (talk) 22:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

What you need to understand Warden, is that before launching into your personal attacks (not playing by the rules) and totally inaccurate assumptions, once nominated, an AfD can go one of several ways and the decision is one of the community and not yours. I have saved more articles from extinction than you would care to take time to investigate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• It is an odd nomination in that the nominator does not actually advocate for deletion. The suggestion is that we "revert it to the last edit by its creator and to ensure that all 'references' are reliable and verifiable, and if not, delete it." A quick search confirms that numerous books and scholarly articles exist on blended learning, so notability is obvious. I have to agree that I cannot see that it was an appropriate nomination. Should I take the 20 minutes necessary to create an unassailable stub that obviates the whole AfD? We could all find thousands of articles that are as similarly shitty as this one on highly notable topics, and mass nominate every single one for AfD under the same rationale. I don't take any issue with the nominators good faith, any good editor should get frustrated sometimes as how much work there is yet to be done on the project. I hereby nominate our friend Purplebackpack89 to rewrite the article for us, I hope he is willing to volunteer.--Milowent • 05:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of the Enron scandal

WP:BLPDELedted recently. There's an "AfD" of sorts on ANI. Someone could request that page be userfied and add the all important inline refs. Tijfo098 (talk) 06:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I've received the content by email, and am working on improving it. LegoKTM 02:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Where was the discussion for its deletion at? Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Timeline of the Enron scandal shows up blank. Dream Focus 03:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
  • There was no prior discussion. It was deleted under the supreme authority invested in administrators by WP:BLPDEL. Tijfo098 (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Huvrat ehl echeik

A village in Mauritania, which some doubt exists. The only online info found so far is from Google satellite photos and land photos on Panoramino. The main issue is the lack of any official name to the place on the Google map. Various names are found in the Panoramino photos, but they are somewhat consistent, e.g. "EL houvra". Perhaps this can be sorted out or more sources found? Tijfo098 (talk) 20:46, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the listing. If we can verify its existence, it should stay, but it can be hard in cases like this one.--Milowent • hasspoken 15:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

September 2012

Global Politician

A new media outlet having a significant number of citations in academic books. As it's usually the case with publishers and magazines/journals, it may be difficult to find coverage to meet the letter of WP:GNG. On the other hand, I think it meets the (more subjective) criteria at WP:NJournals based on citations alone. Finding lengthy independent coverage about the magazine is also rendered difficult by its use of a rather common phrase as title. Perhaps someone with more time on their hands can improve the article in the GNG direction? Tijfo098 (talk) 16:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Coolture

I think this is a notable company. My AT&T internet is currently flipping on and off randomly again, so its making searching for additional sources a bit difficult. I certainly didn't make the article as an advertisement, but someone tagged it for speedy deletion for being that. Some help finding addition sources covering it would be appreciated. I see mentions of them being one of four companies competing one year for a Pepsi grant, but it doesn't say anywhere who won that. They were tested at Buffalo University against others, and found to be the best. Dream Focus 10:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Its now at AFD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Coolture Dream Focus 15:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Tenth Presbyterian Church

Tenth Presbyterian Church is a notable Evangelical Philadelphia congregation of the Presbyterian Church in America, founded 1829, with an architecturally important church building, 1856, designed by the same architect who did Philadelphia City Hall. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved entries

Captain Underpants and the Preposterous Plight of the Purple Potty People

ResolvedThe Captain Underpants and the Preposterous Plight of the Purple Potty People article was retained. Please feel free to continue improving it.  – Northamerica1000 17:18, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

An article up for deletion about a book that is part of a series of books. It has received some press coverage. Working on finding reliable sources with significant coverage; perhaps this WikiProject can help out! I've begun listing some sources at the article's talk page: Here. Haven't found any accessible (non-paywalled) articles with significant coverage yet, though. Northamerica1000(talk) 05:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Cattleman Restaurant

ResolvedThe Cattleman Restaurant article was retained. Please feel free to continue improving it.  – Northamerica1000 02:19, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

The Cattleman Restaurant in Manhattan is a defunct restaurant, but it is documented with two New York Times articles. I confess I do not quite follow the deletion discussion. If the two NYT articles exist, why is this apparently notable and well patronized in its day restaurant now to be deleted? --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• When Longchamps (chain of restaurants) was prodded about a year ago, I worked to fix it, and some articles talked about the Cattleman (Larry Ellman was involved in both), so I wouldn't be surprised if its notable. I'll take a look.--Milowent • 01:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Zoological conspiracy theories (Arab-Israeli conflict)

ResolvedThe Zoological conspiracy theories (Arab-Israeli conflict)‎ article was retained. Please feel free to continue improving it.  – Northamerica1000 22:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done Saved! Tijfo098 (talk) 15:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Because it is sourced from numerous press articles, some editors said this article is a WP:SYNThesis of primary sources. I was unable to find a general treatment of the topic in my google searches (or I wouldn't be asking here for help). Maybe someone here can find such sources and use them to improve the article. There are numerous books about conspiracy theories, and I have a feeling some of them may cover such material (from a wp:secondary perspective). But there is a lot of such material to go through for just one editor. Tijfo098 (talk) 13:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

If no such sources can be found, will you be changing your !vote to delete? This would seem to be the logic of your argument. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:51, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Possibly. In the mean-time, Dlv999 has found some sources--mostly opinion pieces--which discuss several of these events in the context of Arab politics. So, it isn't far fetched that more academic discussions exist as well. Tijfo098 (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Please note the actual basis of the nomination is about the article being little more than a collection of non-notable news events to conjure an article with a POV orientation. This is a WP:NOT consideration based on Misplaced Pages not being a place for indiscriminately collecting information or being a place to list fleeting news stories. You can conjure up plenty of ideas from press sources, but that doesn't mean it should be on Misplaced Pages.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 03:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• The reasons for this being listed here are pretty tenuous at best. IRWolfie- (talk) 22:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

like you're the expert.--Milowent • 22:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I think that response is up there with "I know you are, but what am I". If you have something to say to address my concerns that would be more constructive. IRWolfie- (talk) 10:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Milowent. GregJackP Boomer! 15:32, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Anyone can list any article they would like help finding references for to prove its notable. There is no reason to hassle them. Dream Focus 16:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Wrong. If notability is questionable, members of the ARS should be asked to investigate whether an article meets the criteria, not prove it. And as long as people persist in canvassing here, anyone can comment on the fact. The ARS don't own this page... AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Perhaps consider asking the poster to clarify their post for rescue consideration, if you're in disagreement with it. This is a public discussion board that anyone can post to, and members of this WikiProject have no control over who does so or what they write. Also, this post is honest and has integrity, in my opinion, and is not canvassing whatsoever. The poster hasn't asked anyone to !vote at the article's AfD discussion; they're asking for assistance in locating sources about a topic! Thank you for your consideration. Northamerica1000 06:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Let's just say that this is a highly controversial article that even admins shy from . Tijfo098 (talk) 06:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

LG Williams

ResolvedLG Williams was deleted.  – Northamerica1000 07:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done. Fell victim to Rosse action. Tijfo098 (talk) 06:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

An artist for which sources are confusing because he apparently engages in "performance art" by making sarcastically exaggerated claims about himself. The article has been the target of sockpuppeting from both supporters and detractors. More uninvolved editors are needed to sift through the sources. Please note that the article has been trimmed recently, so you may have to look in its history for more sources/content. Tijfo098 (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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