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The list of religious leaders endorsing the TM technique includes almost only US people, as far as I can see (one priest from Ireland). Is that intentional, or could others be added? What's the criteria for including people here? Some of the ones in the current list have nice links like YouTube clips, others have no link at all so I'm wondering if they are useful to have in. ] (]) 13:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC) The list of religious leaders endorsing the TM technique includes almost only US people, as far as I can see (one priest from Ireland). Is that intentional, or could others be added? What's the criteria for including people here? Some of the ones in the current list have nice links like YouTube clips, others have no link at all so I'm wondering if they are useful to have in. ] (]) 13:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
:The English WP tends to be US-centric but that is something we want to avoid whenever possible. In notice that several of the clergy and religious leaders mentioned are not from the U.S. For example ] is English, ] is from Manilla, Placide Gaboury is Canadian, William Johnston is Irish, and I believe Kevin Joyce and Keith Wollard are also Canadian. If you are aware of other religious leaders who have expressed an opinion on TM then you could add them, assuming they are reliably sourced.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 20:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC) :The English WP tends to be US-centric but that is something we want to avoid whenever possible. In notice that several of the clergy and religious leaders mentioned are not from the U.S. For example ] is English, ] is from Manilla, Placide Gaboury is Canadian, William Johnston is Irish, and I believe Kevin Joyce and Keith Wollard are also Canadian. If you are aware of other religious leaders who have expressed an opinion on TM then you could add them, assuming they are reliably sourced.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — ] • ] • </span> 20:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
So it's better than I thought after all. I had a in mind, but it's about a priest in Colombia, so he is Spanish-speaking, and all other people mentioned (except Cardinal Xin maybe) are English-speaking, so I dunno... ] (]) 21:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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Why do we have this at the beginning of the article?

This statement appears at the top of the article:

This article is about the technique. For the organization, see Transcendental Meditation movement.

Isn't it self-evident that this article is about the technique? That is, after all, the title of the article. It's unlikely that someone would arrive at this article expecting to read about the TM movement. The most likely landing point for a reader would be the main TM article, and that very clearly directs readers to the TM technique and TM movement articles. Seems like this statement isn't needed. TimidGuy (talk) 11:27, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

There is a similar statement referring back to this article on the TM movement article. We should either remove both or keep both. -- — KeithbobTalk03:53, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Any objection to my deleting both? TimidGuy (talk) 11:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

The slightly clumsy statements are out while the links were kept. Nice! (I started responding to this point, only to see on inspection that it had been carried out. So this is just to close this Talk point somewhat.) Geke (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Geke and welcome to the TM topic area! -- — KeithbobTalk15:39, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the warm welcome and the beer! (Virtual beer goes down well with me...) In fact, I've been here before, so I know it's good to remain relaxed! I was wondering how this page could be so short, until I read (just now) that a bot is/may be moving stuff into an archive after three months. So I could have left the above alone and it would have disappeared by itself, I guess... Geke (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2013 (UTC)Geke (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome and yes the bot archives the talk page after 90 days. A good system! -- — KeithbobTalk21:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Una Kroll

I'm reading through Una Kroll's book, The Healing Power of Transcendental Meditation, and am impressed with her language and explanations which are very approachable. I'll add content to the articles from her book because I can see her view as easy to follow and understand. She is both a medical doctor and proclaimed Christian and so seems to be in a very good position to give a somehwat neutral, although personal, of course, view of the technique.(olive (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC))

I skimmed that book a couple months ago and felt that it was a good source. TimidGuy (talk) 12:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed addition to article

An editor added the following text to the TM article. I removed it, because it seemed more appropriate to this article.

The following quotation sums up the fundamental principles of Transcendental Meditation: "The fundamental premise of the psychology of fulfillment is that within every person exists a seemingly inexhaustible center of energy, intelligence, and satisfaction... To the extent that our behavior depends on the degree of energy and intelligence available to us, this center of pure creative intelligence may be described as that resource which gives direction to all that we experience, think and do."

Should this text be added to the article? TimidGuy (talk) 10:18, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I've added the text to the article. Is the placement of the text ok? It seems to fit in with the general flow of the article.Matipop (talk) 00:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Matipop and welcome to the TM topic area. I see that you are a new editor and you may not be aware that the opening paragraphs of an article (called the lead or lede) are supposed to be a summary of the main points from the entire article per WP:LEAD. So I've moved it to the Theoretical Concepts section and gave it an inline attribution. Meanwhile, welcome to the article and topic area and please feel free to edit the article and/or bring your thoughts, suggestions or questions here to the talk page for discussion. Best, -- — KeithbobTalk13:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Keithbob. Thank you for the tip. Still learning the ropes and its been a pretty interesting time so far. Learning something new everyday. :) Matipop (talk) 21:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Path to God

I failed to say something about this earlier, and in the meantime a bot moved it into the archives, so I hope it's OK if I just copy the last bit here:

OK, I"ve replaced the text including the "quote needed" tag which was placed there in June 2012. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 21:10, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
The book does say, "Transcendental Meditation is a path to God." But it would be better if we included some of the context. TimidGuy (talk) 11:07, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree and Olive mentioned this also. However I don't have access to the source.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to check on this quote because it didn't sound like Maharishi's way of talking about God. An acquaintance of mine has OCR'ed the above-mentioned book and the sentence is really in there, but I feel it's not a statement in itself, but rather a simplified repetition of the previous sentence: "Transcendental Meditation is a way to God realization."

So to sum it up, I'd prefer if we could replace the quote by the first sentence. Is a scan of a book good enough as a source? I could email the person who scanned the printed book to see if he still has it, but that may be too indirect too? Geke (talk) 12:55, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
On Misplaced Pages we don't have to provide a URL or a "scan" or file of a source. Citing it is enough. In this case the book at hand is out of print and not commonplace but it is available for those are willing to look around or buy used on Amazon etc. So you can just go ahead and cite the book without providing a scan of it. -- — KeithbobTalk21:13, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
More specifically, we cannot accept a scan of a book, as (unless the book is very old) this would be a breach of copyright. Arjayay (talk) 19:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, another good point. -- — KeithbobTalk20:18, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
On another note.... the section is about the view of religious leaders on TM. It seems like the quote from MMY is out of place. Once we determine the context of what the Maharishi was saying, can the quote or reference be moved to another more appropriate section? or maybe even to the Maharishi's bio? Thoughts?-- — KeithbobTalk20:22, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

List of religious leaders

The list of religious leaders endorsing the TM technique includes almost only US people, as far as I can see (one priest from Ireland). Is that intentional, or could others be added? What's the criteria for including people here? Some of the ones in the current list have nice links like YouTube clips, others have no link at all so I'm wondering if they are useful to have in. Geke (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

The English WP tends to be US-centric but that is something we want to avoid whenever possible. In notice that several of the clergy and religious leaders mentioned are not from the U.S. For example Michael Ramsey is English, Jaime Sin is from Manilla, Placide Gaboury is Canadian, William Johnston is Irish, and I believe Kevin Joyce and Keith Wollard are also Canadian. If you are aware of other religious leaders who have expressed an opinion on TM then you could add them, assuming they are reliably sourced.-- — KeithbobTalk20:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

So it's better than I thought after all. I had a very strong video in mind, but it's about a priest in Colombia, so he is Spanish-speaking, and all other people mentioned (except Cardinal Xin maybe) are English-speaking, so I dunno... Geke (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

  1. Phelan, Michael. "Transcendental Meditation. A Revitalization of the American Civil Religion". Archives de sciences sociales des religions. 1 (48). {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
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