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I created Perri Alette McKissack/Temp by merging content from Perri "Pebbles" Reid and Pebbles. Please move to Perri Alette McKissack when the copyviolated version is deleted. —Mar:17:11 Z ==

This page should be moved to Perri "Pebbles" Reid, as that is the suject's most common name. --FuriousFreddy 12:11, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 09:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

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Spam

Someone using the IP address 71.105.104.206 has been spamming pages on black musicians, adding promotional material on "George Smith" (no idea who that is) and his son, an alleged "singer/dancer/producer" called "2 Krayze." This kid is a Disney Channel artist and a relative non-entity. A quick Google search for "2 krayze" reveals that someone has been copying 2 Krayze's profile from the Disney Channel website and pasting it into the comments sections on black-culture articles and blogs. It looks like this kid and his family (who are listed as his managers/agents/whatever) are orchestrating a deliberate spam campaign to manufacture fake publicity for 2 Krayze. Other articles that this spammer has attacked include Bobby Brown, Loose Ends (band)‎ and The Gap Band‎. I'm not sure whether "George Smith" did in fact manage all these artists, but all the edits that 71.105.104.206 has made look a lot like spam. I'm going to revert all the edits that this person has made and put the above pages on my watchlist. If anybody has more information about this spammer, please leave a message on my talk page. Huntthetroll (talk) 17:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The spammer, using the IP address 67.182.72.212, added the self-promotional information back to Bobby Brown, Perri "Pebbles" Reid, Loose Ends (band)‎ and Bobby Brown. I have reverted all those edits, and will leave warnings on the talk page for that user. Does anyone know how to report spam to administrators? Huntthetroll (talk) 21:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Birthdate

According to California birth records, Pebbles was born Aug 29, 1964.

Source: http://www.familytreelegends.com/records/calbirths?c=search&first=PERRI&last=MCKISSACK&spelling=Exact&4_year=&4_month=0&4_day=0&5=&7=&SubmitSearch.x=0&SubmitSearch.y=0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mseames (talk • contribs) 23:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep, and her IMDb page also confirms it. I think the birthdate should be changed. Jjmcspooh (talk) 05:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I've corrected the birthdate in the article --Megaboz (talk) 19:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

We cannot use the primary source (California birth records) per WP:BLP and WP:IRS. IMDb is not a reliable source for biographical information. The reliable secondary published source cited says November 6, 1966. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

What, another lie from music media (reliable source AllMusic?) to boost sales or something? There were already wrong dates on this page, claiming the birth year was 1968, now 1966. It's a known fact, that music industry often lies for profit(also that site is newer), so how come it's trusted more over primary source and multiple older sources with 1964? Check these links, it all points that the real birth year is 1964: http://www.nndb.com/people/479/000045344/ http://articles.latimes.com/1988-05-22/entertainment/ca-4676_1_pebbles-album http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20100090,00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.64.187 (talk) 08:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm addressing this below. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Marriage information

I have been removing some unsourced marriage information and restoring some sourced information. An IP editor who has been removing the marriage info (example) has asked on my talk page that I not restore this information stating, "We are removing this information through a request from Perri Reid's counsel."

I do not know who "we" refers to or why they are asking that this info be removed. I have informed them that they will need to pursue this issue further as other editors will likely restore this information at some point. The information in question concerns two marriages, citing an AP article, which is certainly reliable and a database search, which does not seem to be. (The removals were made without comment or explanation. My reverts be based entirely on the edits be unexplained blanking. As the link for the database search includes the alleged spouse's name, I am not including that link here, though it is currently available in the article's history.)

Unless there is further explanation/discussion on this (and/or admin action), I fully expect the AP sourced info to be restored at some point. The other name(s) would need reliable sourcing. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:55, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Another editor has been adding and restoring lots of unsourced information (here, here and here among others), which I am continuing to revert. As this is a WP:BLP article, I will continue to do so unless and until the material cites independent reliable sources. That said, the editor restored the one well-sourced marriage with a reliable source that a different editor has disputed without eplanation. As the source is clearly reliable and no explanation has been given for removing it, I have left it in place. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright violation

This edit on May 3, 2011 is a blatant copyright violation from the fansite pebbles2day.com, as shown by this archived copy of the site from April 26, 2011. Unfortunately, this will mean we will have to revert the page to the edit before the copyright violation.

I will be setting an in-use tag to avoid edit conflicts while I work on restoring what little reliably source info has been added since then. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Recent edit

The edit discussed below is problematic for a number of reasons. However, the copyright violation being restored and the potential WP:BLP issues are the reason for my wholesale revert before discussion. I am tagging the editor in question with both warnings.

Source: allmusic vs. artistdirect

Among other things, this edit replaces the allmusic source with artist direct.

• The allmusic cite is a full cite, the artist direct is a bare link, vulnerable to link rot.
• The articles are essentially identical.
• All music is part of All Media Network, LLC, cited by the New York Times for movie information and, on occasion, music info as well.
• Artist Direct, a retailer, is either licensing the info from AMG or violating AMG's copyright. Either way, AMG is the source, not Artist Direct. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:26, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Birth name

Among other things, this edit claims her birth name is "Perri Arnette McKissack", citing Artist Direct.

Both Artist Direct and AMG say "Perri McKissack". Neither one includes a middle name. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Birth date

Among other things, this edit removes the birth date of November 6, 1966, in Oakland, California cited to AMG) and replaces it with August 29, 1964, in San Francisco, California, vaguely citing the California Birth Index, 1905-1995 via Ancestry.com.

• Both AMG and Artist Direct say November 6, 1966, in Oakland, California. AMG is a reliable secondary published source.
• The California Birth Index is a primary source. We do not use primary sources in this manner in biographies of living persons. It does not tie this name and birth info to Perri Reid. (Also, Ancestry.com is not a reliable source.) - SummerPhD (talk) 20:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Another warning - did people working with the music industry altered the birth date again for profit? How exactly AMG = All Music Group as a reliable source, aren't they looking for profit and sales? There were already wrong dates on this page, claiming the birth year was 1968, now 1966. It's a known fact, that music industry often lies for profit(also that site is newer), so how come it's trusted more over primary source and multiple older sources with 1964? Check these links, it all points that the real birth year is 1964: http://www.nndb.com/people/479/000045344/ http://articles.latimes.com/1988-05-22/entertainment/ca-4676_1_pebbles-album http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20100090,00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.64.187 (talk) 08:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I changed the birth date in the article to match the only reliable source we had for the information. I have no idea how the "music industry" would profit from this small change to her birth date. AMG is trusted because it has an established reputation for fact checking and accuracy, so much so that the New York Times uses it as a source. The "Notable Names Database" pulls data from various sources of unknown quality and allows for some user editing. It is not a reliable source. We do not use primary sources for birth info in BLP articles. The LA Times article you cite does not include a birth date that I can find. The People article does not give a specific date, but says she was 23 in an article dated October 3, 1988. Our sourced date gives her birth date as November 6, 1966 which would have made her just under 22 at that time. At the moment, I see a reliably sourced birth date, an unreliable date that disagrees and a reliable source that seems to disagree but does not give a date. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

This article has repeated changes on the birth date, which should raise some doubt about its validity. Many musicians claim to be younger, to sell more records partially influenced by appearance and youth. I'm not sure how real birth date, might be detrimental to some person's personal life, judging by "Avoid misuse of primary sources". If Misplaced Pages supports the birth date just being made up of lies for celebrities, then remove all birth dates or state out-rightly that they might be incorrect. Both LA times and People sites show her as being 23 in 1988, but LA times date is may, 1988, but people.com shows october, 1988. Look, 1988 - 23 years = 1965 at max, not 1966; Also this female singer had some experience with music even in 1981, if she's from 1966 that would make her 15 then, which is possible, but not quite convincing, given the more adult titles: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Perri+McKissack — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.64.187 (talk • contribs) 11:21, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Our policy is very clear: "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth..." I find no ambiguity here and consider the question of using a primary source closed. If you wish to argue this point, you will need to discuss it at a higher level.

Your argument regarding titles she sang backing vocals on having "adult" titles is speculation that adds nothing here. (Blind_Faith_(Blind_Faith_album)#Album_cover_controversy and Bow_wow_wow#Controversy come to mind.)

The well sourced birth date we have does seem to conflict with the two reliable sources you've cited. If we find a differing birth date in a reliable source, we will be in one of the situations we periodically run into where we have to cite more than on possible date.

(Your repeated speculation/allegations that the "music industry" is lying to somehow profit from a false birth date is baseless and rather pointless here.) - SummerPhD (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Latest efforts to change the sourced birth date brought about a disruptive editing block for Perriareid. A sockpuppet, Naomi92ten was blocked shortly after that. Next steps may lead to edit protection of the article and, as needed, longer blocks. As an alternative to that, I would like to suggest discussing the issue here and locating reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:34, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Copyright violation, again

Among other things, this edit restores the copyright violation discussed above. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Marriage information, again

Among other things, this edit restores unsource marriage information discussed above. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

This version has NO INFORMATION. Summerphd you need to be collaborative. It is a fact that she was married to george L Smith, L A Reid, Otis Nixon, and is now married to Excel Sharieef.
It is a fact that she has at least 2 kids--ashley and aaron--and may have a 3rd. i am reverting and restoring. 21:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I have removed these unsourced contentious claims per WP:BLP. Please see the discussion below. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I have restored my posts. Do not change what I have written. You are not an administrator. From THE ARTICLE claims must be removed. From the talk page information is to be talked about. Most importantly, get an administrator as you dont know what you are doing. 65.205.13.26 (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

november 2013 edits ...page overhaul...let us work TOGETHER SUMMERPHD

intro

my edit is this

• Perri A. Reid (born Perri Arnette McKissack on August 29, 1964), formerly known as Pebbles, is an American dance-pop and urban contemporary singer-songwriter. She is now a minister in Atlanta known as Sister Perri. </quote>

What about this do you disagree on ? What could we both agree to change about this sentence? I am trying to follow your above comments but it is all over the place. Since when is Cali Birth Index not reliable. Why is AMG and Artist direct more reliable ? Those came out years later while Cali birth index is compiled when you are born. The poster '94.243.64.187' makes a good point about lying abut their age to be younger to be accepted( examples of this are models Tomiko Fraser (read this http://mommynoire.com/35121/goddessgasm-by-tomiko-fraser-hines-no-more-lies/2/#) and Agyness Deyn (read this : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2107449/Agyness-Deyn-confesses-lied-age-really-29.html) are examples of this.; so perhaps Pebbles did as well?

Even to this day Mariah Carey claims she was born in 1970 but her birth record and ny ID state 1969 as confirmed by People (magazine)...that 1 year means a difference to her! I'd be willing to put 1964 or 1966 if you are. I dont know what to say for her actual birthdate, was it Aug or Sept ? Let me know your thoughts.65.205.13.26 (talk) 23:10, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

As explained above the version you are reverting to is apparently a copyright violation. I have reverted it as such. If you restore an apparent copyright violation, you can and will be blocked from editing the article. If necessary, we will copy protect the article to prevent editing by anonymous editors. This is not negotiable.

As explained, we do not use primary sources for biographical details, such as birth dates. Please see Misplaced Pages:Blp#Avoid_misuse_of_primary_sources.

In your comments above I have redacted a potentially libelous comment. Please use caution when making contentious claims about living people. See WP:BLP.

Similarly, I have removed the unsourced marriages and births.

If you are having difficulty following the discussions, PLEASE partialize. Rather than trying to do everything at once let's tackle the individual facts first, then work out the order, layout, etc. In the meantime, I will be removing any and all unsourced and/or poorly sourced contentious information per our policy on biographies of living persons. "Contentious material about living persons ... that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."

As you are clearly editing under changing IP addresses, please consider this to be a warning for you as an individual: "If you violate Misplaced Pages's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Misplaced Pages page again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice." Please discuss the possible addition of any questionable information before adding it to the article. If you are unsure of a source or disagree with my take on a source (such as the birth records), please seek a consensus at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard before adding the information. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:37, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

You say I should discuss before I make an edit, do you do that ? As you can see i am trying to go section by section. Others too have tried but you run them away. You dont own this page, neither do I. This is a COLLABORATION. 65.205.13.26 (talk) 03:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

section 1: what should be in early career?

I think you have put too much in 1 section. What I did is separate 'CAREER into 'early career' and talk just about Pebbles singing career. I think her management of tLC should be a separate section called 'pebbitone & tlc'. I think her marriages and kids should be a separate section. I see you wrote that this info is plagarised from her official website 'pebbles2day.com' so I will re write it so it isnt plagarism. Let me know your thoughts ! 65.205.13.26 (talk) 00:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

"Pebbles", a childhood nickname, had an early brush with industry success in the early 1980s as a backup singer for percussionist/band leader Bill Summers and the funk outfit Con Funk Shun, having cowritten "Body of Lover", one of that band's biggest hits. In 1987, she released Pebbles, a self-titled solo debut for MCA Records. Pebbles went platinum-plus and featured the hits "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy", both Top Five Pop and #1 R&B hits. The videos for both songs, featuring Pebbles’ signature modern glam style, were in heavy rotation on MTV, VH1, and BET.

Pebbles also sang background vocals on Paula Abdul's debut album Forever Your Girl in 1988.

In 1990, Pebbles released her second album, Always, which included the Top Five hit "Giving You the Benefit", as well as "Always" and "Love Makes Things Happen". The latter song, featuring Babyface, was a Top 20 Pop & R&B hit. Her third album, Straight from My Heart, was released in 1995 and featured collaborations with Sean Combs, Kyle West, and Organized Noize. In 2000, Hip-O Records released Pebbles' greatest-hits collection.

Combined, Pebbles has sold more than six million albums worldwide, receiving a Grammy nomination.

VS VS VS VS VS VS VS

She got her start in the early 1980s as a backing vocalist for the percussionist/band leader Bill Summers and the funk outfit Con Funk Shun, co-writing one of the latter band's singles, "Body Lovers".

Pebbles recorded several hit singles on her own during the late 1980s and early 1990s (including ("Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy") and also sang background vocals on Paula Abdul's album Forever Your Girl in 1988.

Later, she founded her own record label, Savvy Records, and created the Atlanta-based hip-hop/dance trio TLC (composed of Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins, Rozonda "Chilli" Thomas, and Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes). Guiding TLC's career and serving as their manager through to their eleven-times platinum album Crazysexycool.

Pebbles returned to her solo career in 1995 with her third release Straight from My Heart, featuring contributions from Sean "Puffy" Combs, Kyle West, and Organized Noize). In 2000, she released a fourteen-track career overview, Greatest Hits.

Pebbles' career as TLC's manager became the subject of public and professional scrutiny when the group alleged that she was mismanaging their finances, forcing them to file for bankruptcy. Pebbles denied the claim, stating she was merely looking out for the group's best interests. TLC eventually parted ways with Pebbles. Pebbles' marriage to producer L.A. Reid had also deteriorated during this time, leading them to file for divorce. Angered and bitter from both experiences, she left the secular music industry.

Pebbles eventually became a Christian minister under the name of Sister Perri. In 2008, after a thirteen-year music hiatus, Reid released her fourth album and debut gospel album, Prophetic Flows Vol I & II, which peaked at #12 on the Billboard Gospel Album Chart.

She is portrayed by actress Rochelle Aytes in VH1's biopic of TLC, CrazySexyCool: The TLC Story (2013).

In 2000 she married former MLB player Otis Nixon.

section 2: how about a separate section for Pebbles managing TLC?

I think a seperate section for her forming her management company and creating TLC. What do you think ?

Pebbitone and TLC In 1989, Pebbles formed the Atlanta-based production company Pebbitone, which discovered and developed the R&B trio TLC. Under her guidance as a producer, director, marketing chief, and image maker, TLC released the 1992 quintuple-platinum debut album Ooooooohhh... On the TLC Tip, featuring the hit songs "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" (#6 Us, #2 RB), "Baby-Baby-Baby" (#2US, #1RB), and "What About Your Friends" (#7US, #2RB). In 1994, TLC released CrazySexyCool, which sold an unprecedented thirteen million albums and garnered the group a Grammy Award for Best R&B Album and Best R&B Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal for Creep (TLC song) (#1US and RB). Eventually, tensions arose between Pebbles and TLC, and the group filed for bankruptcy amid claims that Pebbles was mismanaging their money. Pebbles denied the claim, stating she was merely looking out for the group's best interests. Pebbitone and TLC eventually parted ways. Pebbles' marriage to producer L.A. Reid had also deteriorated during this time, leading them to file for divorce. Reid claimed that the dispute was "one of the breaking points in my marriage". Her then-husband L.A. Reid later said: "TLC wanted Pebbitone out of their lives, and the only way they could get out was to file bankruptcy."In 1993 she founded her own record label, Savvy Records. Group 4.0 was signed but the label was closed in 1997.The dispute with TLC and the disintegration of her marriage led Pebbles to leave the secular music industry altogether.

Let me know your thoughts! 65.205.13.26 (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

november 2013 edits ...page overhaul...let us work TOGETHER SUMMERPHD

intro

my edit is this

• Perri A. Reid (born Perri Arnette McKissack on August 29, 1964), formerly known as Pebbles, is an American dance-pop and urban contemporary singer-songwriter. She is now a minister in Atlanta known as Sister Perri. </quote>

What about this do you disagree on ? What could we both agree to change about this sentence? I am trying to follow your above comments but it is all over the place. Since when is Cali Birth Index not reliable. Why is AMG and Artist direct more reliable ? Those came out years later while Cali birth index is compiled when you are born. The poster '94.243.64.187' makes a good point about lying abut their age to be younger to be accepted( examples of this are

(WP:BLP violations redacted)

Even to this day (WP:BLP violations redacted) claims she was born in 1970 but her birth record and ny ID state 1969 as confirmed by People (magazine)...that 1 year means a difference to her! I'd be willing to put 1964 or 1966 if you are. I dont know what to say for her actual birthdate, was it Aug or Sept ? Let me know your thoughts.65.205.13.26 (talk) 23:10, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

As explained above the version you are reverting to is apparently a copyright violation. I have reverted it as such. If you restore an apparent copyright violation, you can and will be blocked from editing the article. If necessary, we will copy protect the article to prevent editing by anonymous editors. This is not negotiable.

As explained, we do not use primary sources for biographical details, such as birth dates. Please see Misplaced Pages:Blp#Avoid_misuse_of_primary_sources.

In your comments above I have redacted a potentially libelous comment. Please use caution when making contentious claims about living people. See WP:BLP.

Similarly, I have removed the unsourced marriages and births.

If you are having difficulty following the discussions, PLEASE partialize. Rather than trying to do everything at once let's tackle the individual facts first, then work out the order, layout, etc. In the meantime, I will be removing any and all unsourced and/or poorly sourced contentious information per our policy on biographies of living persons. "Contentious material about living persons ... that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."

As you are clearly editing under changing IP addresses, please consider this to be a warning for you as an individual: "If you violate Misplaced Pages's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Misplaced Pages page again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice." Please discuss the possible addition of any questionable information before adding it to the article. If you are unsure of a source or disagree with my take on a source (such as the birth records), please seek a consensus at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard before adding the information. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:37, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

You say I should discuss before I make an edit, do you do that ? As you can see i am trying to go section by section. Others too have tried but you run them away. You dont own this page, neither do I. This is a COLLABORATION. 65.205.13.26 (talk) 03:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:BLP, "Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Additionally, also per WP:BLP, "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth...". This is our policy and applies to article space and talk pages. It is not a question of collaboration. Additionally, the version you are reverting to contains sections that are identical to the source. This is a copyright violation and must be removed. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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section 1: what should be in early career?

I think you have put too much in 1 section. What I did is separate 'CAREER into 'early career' and talk just about Pebbles singing career. I think her management of tLC should be a separate section called 'pebbitone & tlc'. I think her marriages and kids should be a separate section. I see you wrote that this info is plagarised from her official website 'pebbles2day.com' so I will re write it so it isnt plagarism. Let me know your thoughts ! 65.205.13.26 (talk) 00:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

"Pebbles", a childhood nickname, had an early brush with industry success in the early 1980s as a backup singer for percussionist/band leader Bill Summers and the funk outfit Con Funk Shun, having cowritten "Body of Lover", one of that band's biggest hits. In 1987, she released Pebbles, a self-titled solo debut for MCA Records. Pebbles went platinum-plus and featured the hits "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy", both Top Five Pop and #1 R&B hits. The videos for both songs, featuring Pebbles’ signature modern glam style, were in heavy rotation on MTV, VH1, and BET.

Pebbles also sang background vocals on Paula Abdul's debut album Forever Your Girl in 1988.

In 1990, Pebbles released her second album, Always, which included the Top Five hit "Giving You the Benefit", as well as "Always" and "Love Makes Things Happen". The latter song, featuring Babyface, was a Top 20 Pop & R&B hit. Her third album, Straight from My Heart, was released in 1995 and featured collaborations with Sean Combs, Kyle West, and Organized Noize. In 2000, Hip-O Records released Pebbles' greatest-hits collection.

Combined, Pebbles has sold more than six million albums worldwide, receiving a Grammy nomination.

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She got her start in the early 1980s as a backing vocalist for the percussionist/band leader Bill Summers and the funk outfit Con Funk Shun, co-writing one of the latter band's singles, "Body Lovers".

Pebbles recorded several hit singles on her own during the late 1980s and early 1990s (including ("Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy") and also sang background vocals on Paula Abdul's album Forever Your Girl in 1988.

Later, she founded her own record label, Savvy Records, and created the Atlanta-based hip-hop/dance trio TLC (composed of Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins, Rozonda "Chilli" Thomas, and Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes). Guiding TLC's career and serving as their manager through to their eleven-times platinum album Crazysexycool.

Pebbles returned to her solo career in 1995 with her third release Straight from My Heart, featuring contributions from Sean "Puffy" Combs, Kyle West, and Organized Noize). In 2000, she released a fourteen-track career overview, Greatest Hits.

Pebbles' career as TLC's manager became the subject of public and professional scrutiny when the group alleged that she was mismanaging their finances, forcing them to file for bankruptcy. Pebbles denied the claim, stating she was merely looking out for the group's best interests. TLC eventually parted ways with Pebbles. Pebbles' marriage to producer L.A. Reid had also deteriorated during this time, leading them to file for divorce. Angered and bitter from both experiences, she left the secular music industry.

Pebbles eventually became a Christian minister under the name of Sister Perri. In 2008, after a thirteen-year music hiatus, Reid released her fourth album and debut gospel album, Prophetic Flows Vol I & II, which peaked at #12 on the Billboard Gospel Album Chart.

She is portrayed by actress Rochelle Aytes in VH1's biopic of TLC, CrazySexyCool: The TLC Story (2013).

In 2000 she married former MLB player Otis Nixon.

section 2: how about a separate section for Pebbles managing TLC?

I think a seperate section for her forming her management company and creating TLC. What do you think ?

Pebbitone and TLC In 1989, Pebbles formed the Atlanta-based production company Pebbitone, which discovered and developed the R&B trio TLC. Under her guidance as a producer, director, marketing chief, and image maker, TLC released the 1992 quintuple-platinum debut album Ooooooohhh... On the TLC Tip, featuring the hit songs "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" (#6 Us, #2 RB), "Baby-Baby-Baby" (#2US, #1RB), and "What About Your Friends" (#7US, #2RB). In 1994, TLC released CrazySexyCool, which sold an unprecedented thirteen million albums and garnered the group a Grammy Award for Best R&B Album and Best R&B Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal for Creep (TLC song) (#1US and RB). Eventually, tensions arose between Pebbles and TLC, and the group filed for bankruptcy amid claims that Pebbles was mismanaging their money. Pebbles denied the claim, stating she was merely looking out for the group's best interests. Pebbitone and TLC eventually parted ways. Pebbles' marriage to producer L.A. Reid had also deteriorated during this time, leading them to file for divorce. Reid claimed that the dispute was "one of the breaking points in my marriage". Her then-husband L.A. Reid later said: "TLC wanted Pebbitone out of their lives, and the only way they could get out was to file bankruptcy."In 1993 she founded her own record label, Savvy Records. Group 4.0 was signed but the label was closed in 1997.The dispute with TLC and the disintegration of her marriage led Pebbles to leave the secular music industry altogether.

Let me know your thoughts! 65.205.13.26 (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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