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Xenia Tchoumitcheva

Hi SmokeyJoe, yes, I'm manager of Xenia. This old image on wiki damaging her image, our enemies chose it on purpose. Here are official resources of Xenia: chicoverdose.com, https://www.facebook.com/xeniatchoumitcheva, http://vk.com/xeniaonline If you need, I can ask her to write your from one of them. Please approve new image, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhenke.by (talk • contribs) 13:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Joe, we are happy to provide an unedited natural iphone picture in order to give this page an ok picture. Please tell us a) what rules to follow (shall Xenia write something on a piece of paper - such as "my official[REDACTED] picture"?), we just want to substitute this awful one that doesn't match her natural looks not attitude. b) thank you very much for adding the professional pic.

• Please continue at Talk:Xenia_Tchoumitcheva#Images_of_Xenia. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Numbers

Sorry for the late reply. Feel free to reuse that title for Misplaced Pages: Notability (numbers), or a redirect to it. Cheers. —Michael Z. 2007-10-08 20:49 Z

go ahead and delete these two

Help Project newsletter : Issue 4

The Help Project Newsletter Issue IV - September 2012

Project news summary The in-person usability tests from the wub's community fellowship have been written up. Three new introductory tutorials for new users have been created: referencing, uploading images and navigating Misplaced Pages. The Article Feedback Tool has been deployed to pages in the Help namespace, and can be added manually to help pages in other namespaces. Read more... Page statistics were updated for the month of August.

From the editor Hi, and welcome to the fourth issue of the Help Project newsletter. It's been another busy month in the world of Misplaced Pages help. The results from the in-person usability tests conducted as part of the help pages fellowship have been released. There are no great surprises here, the tests confirmed that people have trouble with the existing help system, and people looking for help on the same topic often end up at wildly different pages. Editors who experienced a tutorial and/or edited a sandbox as part of their learning were noticeably more confident when editing a real article. Drawing on that, three new "Introduction to" tutorials for new users have been created: referencing, uploading images and navigating Misplaced Pages. These join the popular existing introductions to policies and guidelines and talk pages. Feel free to edit them, but please do remember that the idea is to keep them simple and as free from extraneous details as possible. All three have been added to Help:Getting started, which is intended to be the new focal point for new editors, and will also be seeing a redesign soon. In other news, the Article Feedback Tool (AFT) can now be used to collect feedback on help pages. By default it has been deployed to all pages in the Help: namespace. It can be disabled on any page by adding Category:Article Feedback Blacklist, or enabled for pages in other namespaces by adding Category:Article Feedback 5 Additional Articles. Once a page has AFT applied, you can add feedback using the form which appears at the bottom of it. Feedback can be reviewed by clicking "View feedback" in the sidebar, or the "Feedback from my watched pages" link at the top of your watchlist. I'm now entering the final month of my fellowship, and will be focusing my efforts on making much needed improvements to Help:Contents, the main entrance point to our help system. It's been a pleasure working as a fellow, and I just want to thank all the people who have helped me or offered advice over the past months. That definitely won't be the end of my involvement in the Help Project though, I'll be sticking around as a volunteer and continuing to write this newsletter. Any comments or suggestions for future issues are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Help Project/Newsletter. If you don't wish to receive this newsletter on your talk page in future then just edit the participants page and add "no newsletter" next to your name. -- the wub "?!" 20:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Help Project newsletter : Issue 5

The Help Project Newsletter Issue V - January 2013

Project news summary Help:Contents and Misplaced Pages:Contact us have seen a major revamp. Page statistics were updated. Alerts are now available for discussions related to Help Project pages Many more Help Project pages now have the Article Feedback Tool (v5) enabled. GettingStarted is an experimental feature to guide new users with their first edits.

From the editor Hello again from the Help Project! In the last newsletter (which was quite a while ago sorry!) I talked about my fellowship and the plans for improving the main portal page, Help:Contents. Well I'm sad to say that my fellowship is now over, but very happy to say that the proposed improvements to that page have been completed and implemented. Do check it out if you haven't already. Another important and frequently used help page, Misplaced Pages:Contact us, has also seen a significant revamp. You may recognise the design inspiration from the new tutorial pages. In project news, we now have a subscription to the "article alerts" service. Any deletion nominations, move discussions, or requests for comments on pages within the Help Project's scope will now show up at Misplaced Pages:Help Project/Article alerts. So that's definitely a page which project members might want to watch. Any comments or suggestions for future issues are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Help Project/Newsletter. If you don't wish to receive this newsletter on your talk page in future then just edit the participants page and add "no newsletter" next to your name. -- the wub "?!" 23:34, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject:REHAB update

You signed up for WikiProject User Rehab

Hi there, I'm RDN1F. It's come to my attention that you've signed up for WikiProject Rehab, but since that time the project has retired. I've decided to take it upon myself to rejuvenate the project - but I could do with your help. If you are still willing to help mentor (or even give me a hand in bringing this project back!) leave a message on my talk page
RDN1F TALK 16:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Help Project newsletter : Issue 6

The Help Project Newsletter	Issue VI - April 2013
Open Help Conference The Open Help Conference will be taking place June 15-19 in Cincinnati Ohio, USA. The conference includes two days of presentations and open discussions, followed by team "sprints" - collaborative efforts to write and improve documentation. It has been suggested to send a team from Misplaced Pages/Wikimedia: to share our own knowledge about help, learn from others in the open source community working on similar problems, and to carry out a sprint to improve some aspect of Misplaced Pages's help. There may be support available for volunteers to attend from the Participation Support program (and your editor is certainly hoping to be there!) Please join the discussion in Meta's IdeaLab if you're interested, and/or have suggestions about what we could work on.	Other news The Article Feedback Tool (v5) has now been changed to be opt-in for all pages. It can be enabled for specific pages by adding Category:Article Feedback 5 to them. There are also a number of new features. It has been proposed to merge the questions forum of the New contributors' help page into the Teahouse. Discussion is taking place here. The help menu at Help:Contents/Browse and its subpages have been largely cleaned up. User:Moxy has created a descriptive help directory. A project on Video and Interactive Tutorials has begun, supported by a Wikimedia Foundation grant. Suggestions for subjects are invited on the talk page.
If you don't wish to receive this newsletter on your talk page in future then just edit the participants page and add "no newsletter" next to your name. Suggestions for future issues are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Help Project/Newsletter. the wub "?!" 16:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Reward_board#As_we_are_going_to_keep_this.2C_do_we_need_to_tighten_the_criteria_a_bit.3F

Given it's been kept at MfD, I've reposted a proposal to tighten it. See header. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:43, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Surprised

I was surprised to see you oppose the RfC for the Draft: namespace. Not that you haven't surprised me many times before. You said you see it as "incubator 2.0", but I see it as exactly the opposite, a way to finally get rid of the incubator by superceding it, solve the lingering issue of Google indexed user drafts (since draft: could be NOINDEX), and provide a centralized manageable place for drafts as well as a cleaner namespace for AfC to use.

It does solve several very real problems. If I wanted to see if anyone has a draft on a topic I want to write about, I'd have to search the incubator, AfC, and all of user space right now. We could even tie this into the software technically, on redlink nav, think of something like "We have no article on 'foo', but there is a working draft at draft:foo, or you may create a new one here".

It takes what amounts to several hacky mechanisms and merges them into something that makes sense. I agree with some of the opposition's claim that this may very well touch several areas of policy, but that's not a good reason to avoid it. One of the reasons it may affect many areas of policy is because it solves a lot of problems. And that's a good thing. Gigs (talk) 16:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Manual of Style

I don't think knowledge of words is helpful on the question. On the "our goal is to write an encyclopaedia" front, obviously, your position makes sense and the "blindly follow the MOS" does not. (I say this assuming you're right about how the work was published, but I have to conclude that true based on the "blindly follow the MOS" position express no interest in what the thing is actually called.) From a "Misplaced Pages politics" perspective ... I try to avoid the MOS. As I read the discussion there, the claim that you should think of is hookum, it's explicitly a guideline, which you shouldn't follow when you have a compelling reason not to. WilyD 15:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Toontown Online

I invite you to discuss the deletion of dead links. Please join in discussion to section regarding this matter at the bottom of the page. --George Ho (talk) 20:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Misplaced Pages:Rough consensus

I nominated the Misplaced Pages:Rough consensus page for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Rough consensus . -- Jreferee (talk) 13:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

your commentary is requested

Hello SmokeyJoe, there is a noticeboard discussion -- don't panic, you have done absolutely nothing wrong -- over here at 23:16 where your username was mentioned, as a relatively-uninvolved person who interacted with User:Ahnoneemoos back in August 2013. See here, policy-page, and talkpage. Can you comment on their character, and on whether their editing is a net positive versus a net negative, if you have time? Thanks. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2013 December 17

I reverted this back to the closed state, undoing MathLine's edit to it which meant also undoing your comment. I've posted a note at User talk:MathLine#Re Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of quadratic irrational numbers set in a systematic order to give the reasoning to that editor in more detail (though I don't expect them to take much notice).--JohnBlackburne_deeds 01:40, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry. I didn't notice that the review had already closed. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Article renaming

Wish I had seen your suggestion to rename article to "Historical study of the Bible" earlier. Superior to what I had voted for. You are right "historicity" is somewhat of a (not quite your words) pretentious mouthful! Too soon to change now, I guess. Maybe we can wait six months and try again? Student7 (talk) 22:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Relisting

Would you mind addressing the points I made about why relisting is harmless, and therefore should not be limited to uninvolved editors? If you disagree, I'd like to understand why. --B2C 04:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

• I think I've neither agreed nor disagreed on that question. I do like the idea that a relister should comment. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Precious

help and trust
Thank you, harmonious editor, for helping help and dealing with articles for deletion, leaving meaningful edit summaries, for trust, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (15 July 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

That's sweet of you. Thank you. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

What you said (about Misplaced Pages not inventing a title) - the same is true for A Boy was Born, published like that since 1934 and mentioned in all references used for the article, but changed by the power of Misplaced Pages's holy "longstanding" MoS, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Move Like This
by 28bytes

I translated, duck attack on the German Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#Misplaced Pages:NO CONSENSUS and Misplaced Pages:NOCONSENSUS

Because you have edited Misplaced Pages:No consensus, your input is requested in the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#Misplaced Pages:NO CONSENSUS and Misplaced Pages:NOCONSENSUS. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:40, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Australia and the comma convention

Hi SmokeyJoe. Quite by accident while looking for something else, I found this discussion you expressed an interest in earlier.

• Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)/Archives/2010/August#Australian place name convention, and
• Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)/Archives/2010/August#Australian place move discussions. Mattinbgn (talk) 22:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, Mattinbgn. I don't remember any awareness of these discussions, although I see I made a driveby !vote at Misplaced Pages:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 36. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Thank you for closing Misplaced Pages:Move_review/Log/2013_December#Haile_Selassie

Just to be clear I found your comments largely unhelpful in the context of a move review. Your comments on the brevity of the close and documented use counts were both valid, good, comments, they just belonged elsewhere. I do think your amount of text on these and authorism was a bit much but then there was a lot of not strictly relevant discussion in the MRV. I think the edit counts were particularly unhelpful as number of edits is known to be a bad measure of quality - some editors like to make one big edit with lots of changes while other's do lots of small edits. In general I think authorism does occur to some extent although not deliberately but rather as a side affect of those editors often being the most knowledgeable and so making the best arguments.

I do think the close was within admin discretion, however I also suspect the close may (not would) have been different had some of the comments made at MRV been made in the original RM. It also seems to me that many people, both at RM and MRV, may have been inexperienced and so did not make the best arguments. I almost specifically suggested a new RM in the close, for these two reasons, but in the end decided that a new RM straight away was likely to be too coloured by the last RM and the MRV to result in a meaningful discussion. That said I would not be opposed to a reasonably speedy new RM - I'd suggest at least two weeks or a month to let the dust settle on my MRV close. Dpmuk (talk) 23:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I think, given the MR finding of a consensus to endorse, that a new RM (to reverse the last) should not be initiated within six months. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

CSD RFC

You added your "reboot" proposal in the middle of the existing RfC on Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion, cutting the "scope" sub-section off from the rest of the existing RfC. I feel this made an already complex RfC more confusing. I urge you to move your "Reboot" to a new section or sub-section after the whole of the previously existing RfC. DES 16:00, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. That was a mistake. I think I fixed it. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:02, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Basis?

• "This user frequently blurs distinction between his opinion and community consensus and written policy, he actively seeks to modify policy per his opinions, and to assert policy as written to trump ordinary editors opinions."

SmokeyJoe, I'm outraged by this statement. I consider a violation of WP:AGF and WP:NPA.

• frequently blurs distinction between his opinion and community consensus and written policy?
• actively seeks to modify policy per his opinions?
• and assert policy as written to trump ordinary editors opinions?

Please cite basis for each of these claims, or retract them. Thank you. --B2C 16:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. You mean well, and do everything in good faith, but that only makes this sadder. You are a bit if a kook. You are deluded by your own flakey theories. You have no shame in verbosity that exhausts others. When I comes to policy wonkery, your inability to understand the meaning of consensus means that you are a menace to the community. There is a long history of people explaining these things to you, but you can be slow to learn. It is complicated, because it is not that you are entirely wrong. I have read your userpages and I'm afraid that I am not interested in engaging on your terms. I suggest, if you are open to inviting outsiders opinions, usually put in kind terms, that you start a Misplaced Pages:Editor_review on yourself. Link to it from your signature. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

B2C, I hope that SmokeyJoe will forgive me for intruding here, to say that I have to agree with all that Joe has written in this section.

I hope that you take his advice, and start an editor review. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)