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Cristóbal Oudrid

HI there, thanks for stopping by my talkpage and also for noticing the article, Cristóbal Oudrid. I don't understand you're question as to why did I work on it, but the short answer is that I've worked on 1000s of articles, including this one. Before my edits, it was created and edited by two of my editing teammates, so I was just one more person jumping in to improve it. Cheers, Rosiestep (talk) 21:08, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You don't look like the kind of user interested in FA's though (me either), but what if Oudrid was turned into something no other website besides Misplaced Pages has ? Would you care to take it to the front page with me and the others dear ? (Hey, I've read your essays and seen your DYK's. You're a mother - Si kumbuka, I'm not a father!)

Just wondering why this article in particular interests you? You'll also have to let me know what your reference to Lt. Uhura is about... I'm a huge Star Trek fan, so it's cool. Cheers, Rosiestep (talk) 15:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Quite an interesting reply of yours my dear, though you still haven't answered my question (read my reply to Dr. Blofeld). You know, as for Uhura (I simply love her and all the others around her of course - she's a queen). That sentence is in Swahili, and comes from the episode The Changeling in which Nomad (the machine) erases her memory. She's then taken to be re-educated from the scratch, and as she progresses through her "mistakes" (here she says: Si kumbuka, which means "I don't remember", though I first thought the meaning was something like "What a drag")... well, I guess you've got the picture... anyway, after 17 years I am not a father... That's why I said that, as if saying: "What a drag"... :) !

Bonkers and I started the article because it was a red link in Badajoz, an article which Rosie, Nvvchar and I were promoting to GA. Rosie did most of the translation, nothing sinister...♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld, what an honor to welcome you here today ! Please, forgive my freakness, but as you see I edit even "the tail of the flea behind the dog's ear" ! Absolutely nothing sinister here, as I'm sure you've noticed by my reply to Rosie (Whole Lotta Rosie, if she allows me). You have just answered my question Dr. I have a present for you...:) ! Maybe we can work together after all (have you read my suggestion to Rosie ?). You know, one hand shakes the other... ! Krenakarore 15:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Donald Pleasance actually not Jonathan Harris! Always good to meet fellow musicians and from Brazil too! Do you like bossa and samba? Well, I'm thinking of expanding The Great Blofeld, you're welcome to join in.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the resemblance is astonishing... one of my favorite actors, together with Yul Brinner of course. Actually, I'm a bit more into Viktor Kosenko, to whom I shoulda already returned once I needa finish what I started, but who knows... a gnome is a gnome ! Well, tomorrow is yesterday, at 6 pm, eastern time... :) ! Congrats Dr. and please to meet you. Krenakarore 16:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Alexandre (if I may), you'll find me to be more of a Cracklin' Rosie than a Whole Lotta Rosie, but a rose by any other name... Moving on, yes, I'd be interested in improving the article but, without doing a lot of research, I'm not sure how much ref material is available in en language. What are your thoughts? Rosiestep (talk) 02:50, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

You're the first to call me by my name, and that brings you even closer to me. Well, Diamond or Young... Roses are red after all ! As for the article dear, we'll do the following: You list it for DYK, get the credit, and share it with me, although I don't need another serves-me-for-nothing little star. You and Dr. Blofeld take care of the Lead and prose of the text. A better description of the songs contained in his zarzuelas would also come in handy, once that would expand this section a bit. I know where to find them. I'll drop them on your talk page. I'll contact a User in Madrid to help me find something on Oudrid between 1853 and 1860, which is what is missing (I got Spanish). I'll then list it for Peer Review, and you, Dr. Blofeld, and I work on it for three days straight. After that, Dr. Blofeld nominates it for FA, the rest is done - I guess you're in for a big "Holy cow" tonight (!)... More than best, your friend, Krenakarore 09:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC) ... :) !

Interesting, very interesting; the swan behind the gnome. I will try to return to the article today or tomorrow as time permits. Also, just curious, did you work on the article in a sandbox? Rosiestep (talk) 03:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh no my dear... my sandbox is presently occupied by Viktor Kosenko's compositions, which I've been compiling the way I did to Oudrid's. I needa return to it urgently. A Wikipedian in Kiev is helping me with the titles. It's not just translating, but understanding the story behind them too, you know. I've kept her waiting for two weeks now so I could finish Oudrid's, one of the reasons I need your help and Dr. Blofeld's as well, so don't wait too long dear... come up with an unforgettable hook and list it for DYK right away. The article is what it is because of you. I'll come up with a ALT2 or 3 as soon as I see it there.

Now as for your question... I kept previewing and previewing my changes to the article over and over and over again (hahahaha), but yes I admit having used my Word Processor to save the work and not lose anything ! I re-ordered the Lead before saving the article, so it looks a lot better now. Thanks for improving it, leaving Teatro del Príncipe for me to create the article (very astute from your part!). It's just a game between us dear, no big deal. I ping the ball, and you pong it back... I ping the ball, and you pong it back...

Oh yes, the picture you sent me... that's Julia Fons interpreting Lota and Antonio González as El Casto José in the biblical zarzuela La Corte del Faraón by Guillermo Perrín and Miguel de Palacios, with music by Vicente Lleó. It premiered at Teatro Eslava, in Madrid, on 21 January 1910. The tenor Gonzáles died shortly after, having Fons survived him for 63 years. Now... I'm off to bed. I've slept for 15 hours straight and I'm still falling asleep...:) ! Krenakarore 15:20, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

The article was nominated at DYK days ago by Nvvchar. It's in the August 9th section. I've added your name to the credits. Note, we don't need to make reference style changes for dyk noms, but if this article is to move forward to GAN, we'll probably need to incorporate Harv Ref citation style. Rosiestep (talk) 03:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

You mean, such as Banksia violacea, featured on the Main Page on August 21, 2013 ? Hmmmmmm... I think we'll list it for Peer Review first so we see better what is missing. I for one, would nominate it for FA right on the face, once there'll be very little chance of any improvement to it after GAN, a status it would lose anyway. More important is the prose of the article, divided into four distinct blocks (text, list, notes and references). As I said to Dr. Blofeld, there is no website besides Misplaced Pages with a more concise and up-to-date information on Oudrid's compositions, not even at Biblioteca Nacional de España. But still, life isn't perfect. Yesterday, I noticed that Juan Guillén Buzarán was also a poet, but as theatre director I am still waiting to see ! Just because websites or books by renowned authors say something, we should not believe in them. I saw a lot of mistakes as for dates, names, premieres, even in Draayer or Barbieri's ! You see, Oudrid did not write Las Sacerdotisas del Sol o Los Españoles en el Otro Mundo. That's just a fictitious work inside El Ensayo de una Ópera, although many websites list it as his. Believe me, I did research as deep as I have never been. One more reason to call a Spanish Wikipedian in, preferably one from Madrid, so we can expand the text and improve the prose a bit more....:) !

Thanks for the news about this DYK. It's always good to have "a photo" of a wonderful moment in our life so that we can remember the gold old friends we have. Krenakarore 09:19, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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Corral de comedias

Yes, as a friendly FYI, Template:Did you know nominations/Teatro Español (Madrid). Also, Corral de comedias may interest you. Rosiestep (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Fixed references. It is raggedy nominated and your name is included in the attribution. Nvvchar. 16:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Some of your edit summaries ("hihihihi", "hahahaha", "hugs") are odd/inappropriate. Better to stay on topic. Rosiestep (talk) 19:13, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, though I couldn't control my excitement once the text is very good written, with long passages describing the structure of the place. I like articles written by mature users as they are really amusing. I will continue (hahaha) writing ... there are very interesting things such as this Cruz de Calatrava, which makes me stop translating to read other good articles on the Spanish, Portuguese and other Wikipedias. Thanks for "yanking the rope" (ear) ! Krenakarore 19:53, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Glad that's settled. ;) Any chance you could add some refs to Corral de comedias de Almagro? Rosiestep (talk) 21:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

First you answer me a question: you want to create teatro romántico ? Yes, I will try to find a description of the theat"er" (in proper English now) tomorrow (I'm watching Prometheus ... Corral de comedias, with excepts being transferred from Corral de comedias de Almagro, will need to be re-checked for prose. This last article is better than the first one. Please, make it neat Rosie ! Yes, I know... talk-page yes. Krenakarore 22:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes I saw it, a definition only. I looked over some of your DYKs and noticed a red link in each one of them. Please, tell me, you like red color, or you prefer blue...:) ? It's ok, I can everything here, as long as it is with a positive thought in mind. As for "tre" or "ter" I know well the difference between curb and kerb. I write "tre" if dealing with articles related to Europe, otherwise I prefer "ter". Neat... hmmmm... how to define neat here... You are seaming your white trousers with a black string (certainly not a neat thing to do. Use a white one). I am symmetric, orderly... I don't scatter pics around the article or "list" them on the right side, I place them accordingly, fashionably, a neat thing to do. In the Ext. Links section I don't do things like , but I do things like An image of Abbaye Maillezais Lejour on Vendee Touristique official website. You are standing at a newsstand overlooking a magazine when you find out that the sentences have missing letters and the paragraphs are not aligned. Would you buy it...:)  ? Neat... hmmmm... you open a drawer in search of socks, but you find shirts, ties, and blouses in it. Would you leave them there...:) ? I am here because I like reading, listening to Moritz Moszkowski as I edit, I care for art, paintings and books, the relationship between Agnes Street-Klindworth and Liszt, and dreams, and stories, Urracá, I collect highly detailed wooden-carved playing card boxes, and feel intrigued by Reindorff's 10, 20, 50 Krooni 1929-37 banknotes. I don't do things for me here, but for a reason, not a word, but a whole sentence, a whole paragraph. I don't spend time nominating articles to GA or FA because they take time to perfect. I like editing articles which are forgotten, uninteresting to many. Once I read a conversation between a "Nikkiwho" and another user who said to her: "Your sappient eyes", as if bowing, saying: This user (me) only has two DYKs (hahahaha), as if having 1000 would make me unsuspected of whatever... One other questioned me: How can this composer be more important than Wagner, Meyerbeer, Bach... and 12 others, in a long list of mockery. I said: Look, the article is the sum of many contributions, not only mine. When I leave a message on somebody else's "door" to be ignored... and see others acting like Marshalls in the old west hunting copyright infringements in an article since long copy-edited by a hundred other users... to be speedily deleted. I am here to give, not to get baby, to learn, not to be...:) ! Misplaced Pages needs me, I don't need it. Krenakarore 00:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

As a friendly FYI, Template:Did you know nominations/Corral de comedias de Almagro. Rosiestep (talk) 03:38, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

653

I was wondering why 653. Yes, it was not properly linked in the list. Regolini-Galassi tomb is the article. Nvvchar. 05:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

It's a beautiful article Nvv, pretty much my layout style... hmmmm neat...:) ! The number 653 just came up to mind with no apparent reason. I guess it is a number hidden among many others, nonetheless every number is important as you have showed me now... :) ! Best regards my dear... Krenakarore 07:33, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you reference all the sections that you have translated from Spanish sources into the Corral de comedias de Almagro so that it could be posted on DYK? Thanks. Nvvchar. 18:13, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

It's not only referencing, but checking that info which is "a bit scrambled" right now. I told Rosie that the Spanish Wikipedian described the place himself, so that it may be a little bit hard to find an author or website which might support his description. I am with a terrible sore throat at the moment, but you can list it at DYK yes. I'll see that tomorrow afternoon when I get a little better. Krenakarore 18:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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The previous position of the image (on the right, just below the infobox) did not look so ugly to deserve a comment like this one. Did you see the image in a different position on your internet browser? Basilicofresco (msg) 13:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Mio carissimo Basilico, it wasn't ugly, it was without |left| only. The comment in question resumes itself in two parts here. First, "Se" implies that you may return anytime, once nobody can prevent you from doing whatever. Second, "per favore" implies I was polite enough to ask you to keep it clean (#3). You're much welcome, Krenakarore 14:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Cathedral

Hello - Cathedral of Ciudad Real may interest you. If you're busy with other things, no worries. Rosiestep (talk) 01:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Busy no, sick yes... sore throat. Need to go back to Kosenko's compositions, peer review Oudrid next week and place that frame back in place once more, which I know will bring me a lotta trouble. Will see to it soon, yes !

Now back to work my dear, and have fun...:) ! Oh, have you noticed there are only nice comments in my talk page ? Krenakarore 02:05, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you're not feeling well, Alexandre, and hope you get better soon. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:03, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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That was such a nice note from you. Thank you. Hope you get to have some fun in Milan while you're there on work. Send me a postcard? LOL --Rosiestep (talk) 03:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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At long last...

...there is a proper start right here! Yakikaki (talk) 17:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear, you've caught me red-handed... Been flying 'tween Prague and Milan where I've been recording ! Unfortunately, I only have time for a rough translation and layout, but promise to join you when this story is over. Please, give me some time to make things straight... :) !

No problem, considering how long I took to start I think you're more than excused - I'm the one who should be apologising! Cheers for now, Yakikaki (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Cathedral San Juan Bosco

Hi there. Cathedral San Juan Bosco may interest you, but it you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess I'm late again... Cathedral of Ciudad Real, now Cathedral San Juan Bosco. I'll join you when I'm the first in line... cheers ! Krenakarore 20:25, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Pl see Template:Did you know nominations/Corral de comedias. The first two paragraphs whcih were added by you in the last section are not referenced. Please fix references.--Nvvchar. 02:04, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and sorry for the late answer!

Hi! I only now saw that you very long ago wrote to me in my Sandbox, I'm sorry for this very late answer! Thank you for your kind words, and I'd certainly like to work with you again. And a very merry Christmas to you, all the while! By the way, I did make a start on Saint Catherine's Monastery, Tallinn. Ciao for now, Yakikaki (talk) 10:34, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

That is great news. Nice to see that we have new start. Merry Xmas to you too and see that we may work together one day. Best from South America Krenakarore

Merry Christmas...

Thank you Rosie, it's nice to hear from you again. It's always good to hear from those whom we like best. Cheers my dear ! Krenakarore

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re: A simple question

I think those poets are not Polish, but Ukrainian. Fourth is probably Maksym Rylsky, the last one may be Taras Shevchenko. I would encourage you to ask at WT:UKRAINE, WT:RUSSIA and WT:POETRY. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, nonetheless we have declinations in Polish. Thanks for Maksym Rylsky and Taras Shevchenko :) ! Krenakarore

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Mǎ diào

Hello there. I saw your edit in Mǎ diào[REDACTED] section. There is something I want to ask. These rules evolved over time to a new set of rules allowing a player to take the cards discarded by the previous player to improve his hand. Why would the previous player discard his cards. Is it like mahjong or conquian where you discard and take new cards from the stock pile to find the necessary card to complete your hand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 04:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad you asked. As you see, it was a trick-taking game before a new set of rules led one player to keep the cards discarded by the others, having thus the chance to form combinations. So it became a rummy game. This article (translated from the French) is very important because it explains how the game Khanhoo (the very reason that brought me to Misplaced Pages) was created. I spent 6 years looking for this information, asking people living in Shanghai and other parts in China. Still there are some things I need to find in order to tie up the whole story. Krenakarore 11:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I see, but do you know how to play Mǎ diào (not the trick-taking one) after the evolution of rule? The one where it becomes like rummy (rummy is under matching card game type category right?). I would like to know if it involves discarding your own card and take a new card from the remaining 20 cards that form the stock. Each player took 10 cards and the ramaining 20 cards were placed in the center of the table to form the stock. Oh, I think there might be spelling error there. It's 'remaining' not ramaining right?

1691-1722 is a very important date for khanhoo and mahjong. It's where Mǎ diào evolved from a trick-taking card game into a matching-card game, which give birth to mahjong. In my case, I'm interested in Mǎ diào because of it's relation to mahjong.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 13:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Judging by your Wikiname I assume you may be in Shanghai. It would be nice if you could find 'references' to substantiate the Mǎ diào article section 'Evolution of the game' and the Khanhoo article section 'Evolution'. That should be in Chinese language, can you do that ? It seems to me you might know something that I don't about the game. Now you tell me. Krenakarore 17:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

First of all, THANKS a lot for the information. It was really helpful. At this point, I guess it is safe to say mahjong gameplay originated around late Ming, or early, if not mid Qing era. Unfortunately though, I'm not from Shanghai. I'm actually overseas Chinese of Wu ancestry. If you check information on Wu people, you will notice Wu people live in Zhejiang and Shanghai, hence the name ShanghaiWu. To be honest, I doubt my knowledge is as good as yours. It's a shame that you help me a lot, but I couldn't do anything in return. However, I will continue discussing with you in case I find any new information. Also, would you like to tell me what other information on mahjong or Mǎ diào you would like to know?

One more thing. Is Mo He Pai and Peng He Pai and Mǎ diào the same? Do Mohu and Penghu derive from Mǎ diào? What's the relation between Mǎ diào, Mohu and Penghu? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 18:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, maybe you could tell me something about 'Che Zhang', one of the four derivative games of Mǎ diào (before Mǎ diào, only T'ienkeu). Mǎ diào, which has four derivatives: Dohu (斗虎), also known as Kanhu (看虎), Che Zhang (扯张), Mo He Pai (默和牌) (Mohu) and Peng He Pai (碰和牌) (Penghu), is different from all the other games once each has its own set of rules. Krenakarore 01:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Not familiar with 'Che Zhang'. So far I only know it has 30 cards, 2-5 players and the cards have similarity to Mǎ diào. Will inform you if I manage to find more detail about it. So the 'discard and draw' gameplay and rules already existed during Emperor Kangxi reign around 1691-1722, after Kangxi made the ban in 1691. Does Penghu have both card game and domino?

'It is briefly described in Jin Xueshi's "Muzhu xianhua" ("Idle talk of a swineherd"), written in 1783. "Muzhu xianhua" is an interesting book about... old games. Jin speaks of games played with cards (zhipai), describing the games "mohu" and "penghu", then of games played with dominoes (gupai), listing "youhu" (with 32 dominoes), "penghu" (with 105 dominoes), "tianjiu" (with 32 dominoes), then again of games played with cards but this time with four suits, like 'madiao'.'

According to the above quote, Jin speaks of games played with cards (zhipai), describing the games of "mohu" and "penghu" and another "Penghu", but with dominoes. Or did I misinterpret something? Is the game Tien Gow supposed to be the oldest trick-taking game except it is played with domino instead of cards? Finally, does these card games in China appeared earlier and influenced Conquian, especially in terms of gameplay and rules? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 02:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Good, thanks for the 'Che Zang' game structure. Yes, matching games existed around 1691. Yes, Penghu is not only played with cards, but also dominos. Most Chinese card games of today evolved from domino games. Tien Gow isn't the oldest trick-taking game in Chinese domino literature. I don't know much about dominos, actually I know nothing. Card games don't influence other card games, people devise rules and that modifies the game. Games migrate from one place to another and consequently people inadvertently play them in different ways simply because when the rules are explained they are slightly modified. If I tell you a tale, in about a month it will sound completely different because when it is retold, it is then modified. As for Conquian, there seems to be no 'Kon Khin' card game. The word is just phonetically related to 'Con Quién' (Spanish) and 'Coon Can' (English). The game was brought to Spain (there were many Spanish colonies, and Portuguese too, in Southeast Asia at the time) by sailors. 'Conquian' was introduced in the US by Chinese immigrants who worked at the construction of railways in the first half of the 19th century and after, during the homestead push to the west. The game crossed the Mexican border and was brought back by the Mexicans themselves (see Monte Bank), who also worked in the Southern Pacific railroad expansion during and after the American Civil War. Krenakarore 07:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

The article is based on the translation of the corresponding article in the French Misplaced Pages, as it is stated there (vide attribution). It is written there: "allowing a player to take the cards discarded by the previous player", therefore it evolved into a draw-and-discard card game. My source comes from all over the internet once I can't read Chinese. Do you know any other set of rules for Mǎ diào ? Krenakarore 13:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

No. I'm having difficulty to find the gameplay and rules of 'Che Zhang' but will keep on searching for it. Did the French Misplaced Pages mention 'therefore it evolved into a draw-and-discard card game' or the sentence "allowing a player to take the cards discarded by the previous player", which pretty much suggests it evolve into a "draw-and-discard card game". Where does the French[REDACTED] get its citation? Is it from an internet link or from a book? Maybe if we can find the source for the French wikipedia, we can get all the information we need?— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 14:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

The sentence reads: "allowing a player to take the cards discarded by the previous player", which we understand as a 'draw-and-discard' (we're talking rummy) card game, easily. No reference, therefore you are now entitled to finding this citation for the sentence by looking up 'Mǎ diào' all over the net. What we need are the listing of the rules. Forget the French Wiki, let's focus on the English one. See ya Krenakarore 15:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I thought the reference came from Irving L. Finkel, Colin MacKenzie (2004). Asian games: the art of contest, as mentioned in the English Mǎ diào Wiki referencing. Ok, will inform you if I discover a new thing. Were you the one who created or edit the Mǎ diào evolution of the rules section by translating it from the French Wiki? You know how to speak French? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 15:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I just went to the French Misplaced Pages Mǎ diào using google translate and found out that Bibliography they were using is The Late Ming Game of Ma Diao in The Playing-Card (Volume XXIX, Number 3), Andrew Lo. We NEED this reference by Andrew Lo. On the external link of the French[REDACTED] Ma Diao,I found this English link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 15:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Andrew Lo is already listed in the Bibliography section of the Mǎ diào article, and Finkel & MacKenzie's Asian games: the art of contest has already been used as reference in the same article. Yes, you can read the 'View history' of both articles (Khanhoo and Mǎ diào). Krenakarore 16:27, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah,I was thinking that perhaps the French wiki translate from Andrew Lo reference into French and then someone translate from French Wiki back into English and put it into Ma Diao English wiki. So the citation might come from Andrew Lo or Irving L. Finkel, Colin MacKenzie (2004). Asian games: the art of contest? The only way to clarify it if only if we have both the reference which unfortunately,I can't find it's soft copy online. Or,they both just got it from here.http://www.yutopian.com/mahjong/history.html

This link here says Conquian is played in middle 18th century(1701-1800).

'Conquian was played in Mexico during the middle of the 18th century and many people believe that the game can be traced back to Spain on account of the word “Conquian” being of Spanish origin. In Spanish, the word “Conquian” means “for whom.”' http://www.onlinerummy.co.uk/rummy-resources/rummy-history

However,most other sources I said it's in 1800s in Mexico. http://www.flashrummy.com/en/history-rummy.html

Does the link onlinerummy.co.uk(the one that said 18th century) make a mistake and mess up with the date? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 10:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

'To start a game, each player gets 10 cards, then and in turn, each player draws and discards a card. Cards are to be formed in 3 consecutive numbers as a "set". Whoever forms 3 sets and a pair in a hand may declare HE (sounds "hu") .'

I just reread this again. Each player have 10 cards but since the winning hand is a pair and 3 sets with each set contain 3 consecutive number,doesn't that mean there will be 11 cards? Here's a book talking about mahjong origin. http://issuu.com/rankbooks/docs/mahjong-how-to-play/20%20%C2%A9%202014%20microsoft%20terms%20privacy%20&%20cookies%20developers%20english%20(united%20states

No,still no info on Che Zhang yet.

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It wasn't. It is there :) ! Krenakarore 17:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Che Zhang

Regarding Che Zhang, is it the same as Che Liu Zhang and Che San Zhang mentioned here by Thierry Depaulis? In his "Xu Yezi Pu" he gives the rules of Kan Hu, Dou Hu, a multiple-trick game (not to be confused with the latter Kan Hu = Kanhoo), Che Liu Zhang and Che San Zhang, both draw games (and also Tian Jiu = Tien Gow, played with dominoes). However, the 30 cards are taken from a 40-card pack discarding the Tens of Myriads suit. On this point the MJM Book is not wrong (For Pan Zhiheng's second treatise, see Andrew Lo's latest outcome: "Pan Zhiheng's Xu Yezi Pu (Sequel to a Manual of Leaves)", in: The Playing-Card, Vol. XXXI, No. 5, March-Apr. 2003, p. 221-229 and No. 6, May-June 2003, p. 278-284).

Thierry seems to be getting his source from Andrew Lo's Sequel to a Manual of Leaves,who got his source from Pan Zhiheng's Xu Yezi Pu. Pan Zhiheng is someone lives in 1556-1622. Apparently, among all human alive today, Andrew Lo seems to be the one most knowledgeable about all those old Chinese card games. Unfortunately, only staff can login to view the paper here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 17:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

You got anything new to share with me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 18:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, you told me that already. Mr. Wu, if you don't sign your name correctly I won't be able to answer your questions :) ! Krenakarore 19:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Really? But I don't remember telling your the source right? Also,in the google group discussion,Thierry Depaulis said Che Zhang is a draw games. I wonder if it is also a draw and discard card game like Peng Hu and Mo Hu.We really need Andrew Lo's Sequel to a Manual of Leaves,aren't we.ShanghaiWu (talk) 05:19, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Could we please keep that size of the gallery and picture size I suggested and as it was before some vandal removed + the captions like they where added by you? You know, I just nominated one picture for Featured picture Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/File:John Bauer - Princess Tuvstarr gazing down into the dark waters of the forest tarn. - Google Art Project.jpg - it is impoprtant that the nominated article looks good and the nominated picture has enough pix otherwhise they will never vote on it. Please . Hafspajen (talk) 12:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The important is the size of the pic at the nomination page, not on the article. Nonetheless, you need no permission from anyone to do what you think is best for the article, not yourself. User your common sense Mr. Hafspajen :) Krenakarore 12:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Well 200px for a gallery is a fairly normal size for art galleries. However there are certain recomendations and customs followed in art related articles. *Manual of style: * say = As a general rule, images should not be set to a larger fixed size than the 220px default (users can adjust this in their preferences). 'If an exception to the general rule is warranted', forcing an image size to be either larger or smaller than the 220px default is done by placing a parameter in the image coding. The exception from the general rule is most art and art related articles that they do fall into this cathegory, and they are this exception to the general rule.

• See here art and art related articles, and architecture articles. These articles do use images quite larger than thumb. Michelangelo, Ancient Greek architecture, Anglo-Saxon art, La maja desnuda, Stained glass, Sandro Botticelli, Yixian glazed pottery luohans, Wells Cathedral, Romanticism, History painting, Romanesque architecture, Ambrosius Benson, Portrait of Francesco d'Este, Andrea Mantegna, Crucifix (Cimabue, Santa Croce), Danaë (Titian series), Cambrai Madonna, The Werl Triptych, Portrait of a Young Girl (Christus, Berlin), Léal Souvenir, Braque Triptych, Death of the Virgin (van der Goes), Miraflores Altarpiece, Madonna of the Dry Tree.

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Mr. Halspajen, I am not against you. Yes, I know the MoS well, but I also know that people "oversize" pictures to such an extent even knowing that it is too much (they don't care). The pics that you "listed" might well be reduced without discrediting a compatible size for a work of art (400 or 500px - not the case for pics inside Galleries. Besides, that picture is nominated, not the whole gallery!). I left this up to your "common sense" once I can't dictate your move. Friendly, Krenakarore 13:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Was only showing that even for Featured articles it is fully acceptable with bigger size pictures. About the nomination - the whole article is under the nomination - in that sense that the picture is not judged all by itself, but within the article. No pictures can be nominated that are 1) not in an article. 2) That are not having a fairly leading role in the article. 3) No picture will be accepted in a stub or a bad quality article. So, yes, the article is also judged to a certain extent. Since you are off line and told me that you leave it to me, I will put in the new gallery posted as a copromise on the talk page - it IS a compromise. And slightly increase Tuvstarr - so it is the same size as the infobox. Hafspajen (talk) 13:28, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Much on the contrary, I am online. Yes, I know the article is always taken into account, once the picture is revised where it should be. Can I upload your suggestion on the talk page of the article John Bauer myself ? See you soon Mr. Halfspajen, Krenakarore 13:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Well. Than this one gone bad = Status: Offline - in your right corner, shining red... Sorry - thought you were off... so I fixed it. One never knows who will start looking at that nomination. Hafspajen (talk) 13:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll turn it on :) ! Best wishes on your nomination. Talk to Mr. Carter. I think he won't miss voting for something that he loves this much ! Krenakarore 13:48, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Nobody knows and I am not going to make it known. Privat. Misplaced Pages:Privacy. Hafspajen (talk) 18:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank God. Krenakarore 18:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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