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Opinions regarding Mr. Bungle

Removed

Their music sounds amazing and innovative to some and masturbatory and tiresome to others, and they have never found widespread commercial success, despite being fronted by former Faith No More singer Mike Patton, nor have they actively sought it. They were rumored only able to maintain their high production values because of guitarist Trey Spruance's considerable inherited wealth, but this has since been proven false ( ).

Mr. Bungle is Ok

Mr. Bungle as a band is Ok. The album California on the other hand, is probably one of the greatest albums ever... Disco Volante is sort of avangard, and the other material IS kind of masturbatory. But songs like Ars Moriendi, Goodbye Sober Day, and None Of Them New They Were Robots have a quality which is epochal to say the least. What does it mean to say that the band never had any commercial success?

Is are Moriendi the song that sounds loke freaking Arabian Metal? To say that a band had commercial success would mean that they enjoyed vast television exposure but more importantly that they made a lot of money from their albums. 207.157.121.50 11:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)mightyafrowhitey

Ahead of Their Time

I'm still struggling to decipher what you mean, mightyafrowhitey. But to dismiss everything Bungle produced, other than 'California' or 'Disco Volante', as mastubatory Bungle is simply ignorant. I'm going to assume you never listened to any of their 6 to 7 demos before their self-titled commercial debut? Such as:

Bowel Of Chiley

Excrement

Goddammit I Love America

Mi Stoke Il Cigaretto

OU818

Sudden Death

The Raging Wraith Of The Easter Bunny

http://www.cv.org/yellowpages/discography.htm

I suggest 'Mr Nice Guy' from 0U818

Title controversy

Removed, as the information was, a) incorrect, and b) cleared up earlier in the article. -al 05:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles

I am writing headlines to parts of the article that I feel should be seperated so a reader can get better overview. feel free to edit what I've done, I simply feel that it should be divided into sections for more accessability

Genres

Industrial is in the list of genres they played. Hell, they played a lot of shit, but I don't recall any 'Industrial' in there. Not the art school type, the rock type or EBM. I'm totally removing it. What does that word even mean!? I replaced it with surf rock, a genre they played constantly on California (doi). Gatesofawesome!

At Chapter "Major Releases" It says: "Their self-titled debut Mr. Bungle..." I would like to add, that the debut of Mr. Bungle is also mentioned by the name "I believe in sex and death"

Folks, the long list of genres strikes me as being a bit ridiculous. If there is one thing Mr. Bungle proves if you ask me it is the fact that the division of music into genres is a waste of time. Can't we just say they had their own style influenced by many different musical directions or something? --Vunzmstr 11:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed, this list is getting ridiculous. I think it's already too long as it is...I'm for having a few major influences in there that are defined the most strongly in their work, though, but I see no reason to have so many genres listed in one sentence. echidnae 21:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• I cut the genre list down, as it was getting VERY ridiculous. Can't we just agree that they were experimental by nature? I also could have sworn that "avant-garde" and "experimental" mean the same thing. - AG

Kiedis feud section

It's a little excessive, 76.19.27.223 19:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Why, because it goes into detail about a feud that lasted throughout Mr Bungle's career & had a major impact on the band? Explain why its "excessive".

Line-up

What was the line-up for Mr. Bungle? I mean, we know who were the members, but what was each one's duty? I'm assuming that Patton was lead singer and Dunn was bassist, but what about the others? Zouavman Le Zouave _{(Talk to me! • O))))} 12:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to ask why Fraggle was removed from the Line-Up section of Mr Bungle? He was one of the principle songwriters and a guitarist with Bungle for quite some time. He is now based in Sydney, Australia. (see for info) (218.215.133.243 03:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

Catalog

"The four early pre-Warner Bros cassettes are not part of the band's official catalogue, and are considered nearly unfindable today. They are quite valued on eBay, with auctions ending in the triple digits. They are, however, downloadable from a semi-official ftp-server." That is not really true: the cassettes are out of print but that doesn't affect them being official

Regarding Mr. Bungle vs. RHCP feud

The reason Mr. Bungle was kicked off their 2000 festivals, was because in their parodies of RHCP they re-enacted the death of Hillel Slovak, Kiedis' and Flea's childhood friend and original RHCP guitarist, as a joke. You can view videos of this performance on YouTube

Based off the available videos mentioned, they do not re-enact the death of Hillel Slovak. Trevor Dunn does attempt to shoot up his ghost but he fails for obvious reasons.

Semi-official FTP server?

When talking about the discography, an FTP server is mentioned. Maybe it would be wise to include a link to said FTP server? --129.7.154.124 00:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Used my parent's material from time to time

My parents had a few musical projects in Eureka (Humboldt County, Calfornia) between '85 and '91, and they used to play gigs all over the place. A few notable efforts include their bands AlienNation and Claire Voyant and the Momewraths. They used to put on these really off-the-wall shows complete with weird audience contests and funky costumes, and on a few occasions, these concepts were borrowed from them and used by Bungle. No musical material, just performance concepts. A few of these include easter egg hunts throughout different venues, the whole band wearing their underclothes over their regular stuff, and much more. I'll be back to update this with clearer information at a later date. --71.49.199.55 03:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation with alleged online rapist

Should this article have a disambiguation link to A Rape in Cyberspace, which talks about Mr. Bungle, the username of an alleged online rapist? I say "alleged" because there was no conviction as far as I can tell. I would guess that the band is far more notable than the other meaning. However, I came to this article looking for the online screen name, so perhaps others might come here as well (I was reading this article and came to Misplaced Pages to find information about it that is less excessively verbose as this other article). If there is to be a disambiguation link (I think a disambiguation page is inappropriate due to the large difference in notability), I suggest something like, "This article is about the band. For the username, see A Rape in Cyberspace." -- Kjkolb 02:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Needs citations

I've removed some material from the article which was unsourced. If sources can be found, please add (with source) back to the article. -- Mr Bungle 08:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Self titled debut

This raised a minor controversy, as several other videos aired at the time (including videos for Nirvana) contained images considered more graphic than those of "Travolta"..

Disco Volante

In doing so, the album constituted a marriage of formal, academic avant-garde with informal pop culture, and as such is an excellent representation of the synthesis of high art and low art.

Stage show

The presentation of the band on stage has sometimes been close to a realization of Antonin Artaud's Theatre of Cruelty in the musical domain.

Re this circus metal addition, while valuable, unfortunately I can't find any supporting cites for it, if it can be cited please move it back to the article. -- Mr Bungle | talk 07:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Bungle and a few bands that were heavily influenced by them have been recognised by some as representing a new metal subgenre called Circus Metal. These bands incorporate the constantly changing styles of Mr. Bungle, as well as the use of non-standard instruments and samples. The most notable of these bands are Dog Fashion Disco and Tub Ring, but several upcoming bands now use the subgenre to describe themselves.

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Good Article Review – Failed

The article, as whole, has various grammatical and structure problems that keep it from being passed as a GA:

• During the course of their career the band also had an ongoing feud with Red Hot Chili Peppers frontman Anthony Kiedis, which escalated in the late 90s with Kiedis having Mr. Bungle removed from a number of large music festivals in Europe and Australasia where the Chili Peppers were headlining." Good information, but it needs to be trimmed and divided into several sentences. Far too long in it's current state.
• The article has an overall colloquial tone:
  • "The content is, however, very hard to pin down using specific genres, and the structure and musical style of any single track frequently changes dramatically" Too informal.
• "Critic Steve Huey wrote in All Music Guide "Mr. Bungle is a dizzying, disconcerting, schizophrenic tour through just about any rock style the group can think of, hopping from genre to genre without any apparent rhyme or reason, and sometimes doing so several times in the same song." Should be reworded to sound more fluent.
• "The album featured numerous samples, including Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial outtakes, items from the videogames "Super Mario Bros”, "Smash TV”, and “RBI Baseball", the movies Blue Velvet and Sharon's Sex Party, and the pinball games "Cyclone," “Earthshaker," and "Haunted House." I have absolutely no idea what this sentence means. Also, there are several punctuation issues such as using a period before the quotes of a song title.
• Personally, I believe this article comes across as very...favorable to Mr. Bungle and there's little to no criticism of the band's material. Whoever wrote the article is far too biased and there needs to be some outside help gathering sources which criticized the band.
• The entire section regarding his feud with Kiedis is relatively un-encyclopedic in this article, as it's basically a Patton thing, and he's simply using the band to levitate his beliefs.

There's a lot of work to be done before resubmitting. If you feel this assessment was conducted in error, please, feel free to seek a review. NSR77 _C 21:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Amazing Band

Mr. Bungle is one, if not the, greatest band ever. They are an acquired taste, as it took me some time to warm up to them, but now I can't understand why other bands choose to be so simplistic. I use to think System of a Down was the pinnacle of eccentric and innovative music. While I still love SOAD, I have to say, when it comes to eccentric, innovative, experimental, and all-around crazy music, they have nothing on Mr. Bungle. I know this has nothing to do with the article. I just wanted to voice my opinion. Chicken Twinky

True. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Callmarcus (talk • contribs) 03:18, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Stage show section could use expansion. —Viriditas | Talk 08:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Is there any reason...

Why the pictures were switched around? --74.135.59.209 (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know why the articles for the demos were deleted?

And more importantly why there was no debate on the matter? Pwrong (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Seems they went through AfD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bowel of Chiley and were deemed non notable. I didn't even notice. They would need to be sourced better to be recreated. Mr Bungle | talk 21:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I can find sources for them. How do I find the articles so I can do it? Or do they have to be rewritten? Pwrong (talk) 14:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

According to WP:MUSIC, demos are non-notable in general, unless you have enough reliable sources. I am not in favour of that deletion, but post here these sources, so that we know whether they are reliable enough - whether it is worth to recreate the article.--  LYKANTROP  ✉ 14:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

AMG reviewed Bowel of Chiley but not the other demos. You would need to get an admin to retrieve the deleted information; probably best to get the information moved to your user space to work on it/source it before recreation.Mr Bungle | talk 21:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Feud with RHCP.

I'm removing this section as it has been brought up on the talk page here before and I think it is rather crass to have included in an encyclopedia entry.Air.light (talk) 03:37, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Mike Patton writing the majority of stuff on their albums...

This is simply not true. This claim cites liner notes on albums as reference, and if you check those on their very own pages here on wikipedia, you'll see that Patton is hardly over 50% writing credits (for music, at least) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.171.181 (talk) 20:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Isn't over 50% the literal definition of "majority"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.123.223.2 (talk) 17:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Travolta/Quote Unquote

This song was released as a promo single and just because its Mr.Bungle's only single ever doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned. On Both the Mr.Bungle article and the Mr. Bungle album article this information should be added. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 23:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Also the Spanish and Italian Misplaced Pages's both have articles for "Quote Unquote", yet the English (which Mr. Bungle is more relevant to) doesn't. Should this be changed? Mrmoustache14 (talk) 05:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Death metal vandalism

The genre death metal keeps getting readded as an "early genre" despite the fact that it is unsourced. The article says that early demos had "elements of death metal", which does not identify Mr. Bungle as a death metal band, and the sources would clearly indicate the early demos as being experimental/avant-garde metal. The repeated readding of this genre and removal of several sourced genres is not encyclopedic. Is this an encylopedia, or a source of fanboyism? Please leave your personal opinions for Wikia sites, or else Misplaced Pages should just be renamed "Wiki Site" because this is NOT how an encyclopedia operates. ProgGuy (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I think you should heed your own advice. Also, bands can be experimental and death metal at the same time. I don't know about all their early demons, but their first one is clearly in the style of early extreme thrash/proto-death metal bands. I don't really care if the genre is removed, since it makes up only a tiny bit of their career (though it's mentioned in the articles body anyway). My main issue is using "jazz metal" as a valid genre (the link just leads to the jazz fusion page) and removing the avant-garde metal label (and exprerimental metal is the same thing). I agree with adding alternative metal. SonOfPlisskin (talk) 20:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

There's no article for avant garde metal, it just redirects to experimental metal. I don't see any sources saying that Mr. Bungle was a death metal band. I see a statement in the article saying that the early demos included elements of death metal. That doesn't make them a death metal band.

OK, correction, there was no article for avant garde metal at the time I last edited, now the same article has been renamed. ProgGuy (talk) 21:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

• At this point, removing the genre field altogether may be a good option if this guy is just going to keep coming in and adding "death metal" and other stuff anonymously. Maybe leaving only "avant-garde metal" as a generalization will keep the guy from adding more unsourced stuff, but maybe he'll just keep reverting the article. This is ridiculous. ProgGuy (talk) 19:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

You're the same person who kept insisting on putting ska punk as a genre. They only ever used elements of upbeat ska guitar riffs. That equally doesn't make them a ska punk or even a ska band. I'm not adding or deleting anything because I just don't care what a Misplaced Pages article says about a band's genre. I think to it's a bit hypocritical though for you to accuse this other user of vandalism and edit warring when you're doing the same thing, if not worse. The genres listed were there for about three years with no issue until you came and had to be your way with no discussion.NJZombie (talk) 23:44, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, you singularly have no idea what you're talking about. Stop trying to justify repeatedly adding death metal without sources by pointing out that I reverted edits of vandalism. That's the whole point that I'm reverting vandalism. Because it's vandalism. I did not "insist" on ska punk or any other genre, I just reverted edits that added death metal as a genre when the sources don't justify it. You're really trying to pull this nonsense when you know full well that not only are the reverted edits not justified, but that editing anonymously to add an unsourced genre is an act of cowardice? I'm pretty convinced that you're the one doing this, since you're the only one defending your own edits. ProgGuy (talk) 19:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I've already invited you to have an admin run an IP check on me and compare it to the anonymous editor. It's not me, so I have no worries whatsoever. You're so sure of it yet you've also accused other editors who don't agree with you of the exact same thing. You're accusations are building to a civility case on here that could get you blocked if you keep it up. You've constantly made accusations of vandalism, which it is NOT. You've tried to cite 3RR when nobody has violated that rule. 3RR would be three reverts in a 24 hour period. Hasn't happened yet. I'm not justifying either yours or the anonymous editor's changing. In fact, I've frequently suggested you get a vote for consensus here on the talk page, as opposed to bullying your way into it and constantly reverting. You're just as guilty in the edit war as they are. My issue with you is not the genre change itself but it's your being on the sire for a few months and refusal to follow procedure in addition to your attempts to bully people into accepting your changes. NJZombie (talk) 20:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The connection between death metal and early Mr. Bungle can be seen in a couple of pre-Misplaced Pages sources. (1998, Trey Spruance: The mimicry of forms", Osprey, Humboldt University; 2002, "Mr. Bungle", Motherfucking Masterpieces, Acid Logic; 2004, "Mr. Bungle", Bunglefever; Allmusic; 1999, "Mr. Bungle California (Warner) Bridging the..." Chigago Tribune; 1999, "Sound Files", Spin; 1990 "Faith No More: Artists of the Year", Spin. The question is whether this connection rises to the level of a genre that the band is known for. I have seen so many genres listed for this band that any one of them becomes too much emphasis on its own. Are they a tango band? No, but they have produced songs with a tango flair. Are they a death metal band? No, but they have produced music with some death metal features. Binksternet (talk) 04:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. There's no justification for calling Mr. Bungle a death metal band rather than saying that their music has had elements of death metal. Those early demos, what is featured on them would be described as avant-garde metal. Combining death and thrash metal with "a train whistle, a saxophone, bongos and a kazoo"? That is avant-garde metal, the mixing of genres. Cut and slice it however you want, elements of a genre do not make a band a part of that genre. To quote the article Underground_music:

In effect, this means a boy band (for instance) could be influenced by a (formerly) obscure 1960s garage rock, early 1980s post punk, noise rock acts like Pussy Galore or even composers of avant-garde classical music such as John Cage and Karlheinz Stockhausen, while maintaining recognisability as a boy band.

Simply stated, there is no reason for death metal to be on there. It is fancruft. ProgGuy (talk) 19:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The thing is, their early demos are early thrash/death with elements of "avant-garde metal" (which is a genre that didn't exist back then, by the way). Just like Into the Pandemonium is an extreme/thrash metal album with "avant-garde" elements. It doesn't need to be mentioned in the genre box, but it should remain in the article. SonOfPlisskin (talk) 21:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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