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:::As for justice, only God knows. ] (]) 21:43, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
:::As for justice, only God knows. ] (]) 21:43, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
::::]That the 'Italian judicial system has thus far declared' multiple attackers is wrong.TheItalian''supreme''courthassaiddifferently.Tyhemultipleattackerstheorywassolelyreasoningbya single judge. The charges against Guede were clearly framed to implicate Knox and Sollecitto as the primary offenders; Guede was never even charged with having a knife. The 2009 Micheli report ruled out Guedee might have been a lone killer who had got in by simply knocking on the entry door at 11pm and attacking Kercher when she opened it to him (she knew Guede as a pal of her boyfriend) and then faking a burglary to mislead investigators. The 2015 Italian ''supreme'' court decision means the aforementioned scenario is not ruled out.] (]) 17:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
::::], That the 'Italian judicial system has thus far declared' multiple attackers is wrong. Knox Sollecito were arraigned before judge Micheli in Sept 2008, and the prosecution charges against Guede were clearly framed to implicate Knox and Sollecito as the primary offenders because although all three were charged with acting together in the murder, Guede was not charged with having a knife or faking a break in. Guede opted to be tried by Micheli so Mechelli heard the case against AK and RS and Guede, and then ruled on Guede's guilt and sent Knox ans Sollecito for trial. The 2008 Micheli report ruled out Guedee might have been a lone killer who had got in by simply knocking on the entry door at 11pm and attacking Kercher when she opened it to him (she knew Guede as a pal of her boyfriend) and then faking a burglary to mislead investigators. The 2015 Italian ''supreme'' court decision means the aforementioned scenario is most certainly not ruled out.] (]) 17:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
::::], I don't agree we can say Knox and Sollecito were accused, convicted and ultimately exonerated in the lead before mentioning Guede. Guede was long ago found to have committed the murder and exhausted his appeals. Knox and Sollecito were never convicted in that sense, and the international publicity and criticism over their prosecution is the main notability of the case.] (]) 17:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
::::], I don't agree we can say Knox and Sollecito were accused, convicted and ultimately exonerated in the lead before mentioning Guede. Guede was long ago found to have committed the murder and exhausted his appeals. Knox and Sollecito were never convicted in that sense, and the international publicity and criticism over their prosecution is the main notability of the case.] (]) 17:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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Just out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to revert the information posted in regards to the above topic? As both statements were legally true. Amanda Knox was found GUILTY by not 1 but 2 high courts in Italy and is wanted on charges of murdering Meredith Kercher. Her current whereabouts in the US are unknown, due to the extradition order placed by the Italian courts to the US supreme court. Was Wiki not the place for truth? and not just a biased opinion of a Knox fan??????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleetzy (talk • contribs) 10:56, 29 May 2014 UTC)
I removed Amanda Knox's name from the opening sentence as Knox was not the only person tried and found guilty of the murder (there were three of them and all their details are already covered later in the article lead). Emphasising her name, and her name only, in the opening sentence is what we call undue emphasis violating Misplaced Pages's core neutral point of view policy.
I removed your unsourced statement that "Knox has subsequently refused to return to Italy and currently is in hiding in the USA." as it violates Misplaced Pages's core verifiability policy. Misplaced Pages content is based on verifiability, not truth. We take this policy especially seriously when talking about living people.
Please note that suggesting another editor is biased, especially without presenting supporting evidence in an appropriate forum on Misplaced Pages, could be considered a personal attack which is not allowed on Misplaced Pages and could lead to sanctions against you. HelenOnline11:48, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
1) The only person "surprised" in the particular source cited is Kercher's mother. 2) Even if a source uses weasel terms, it does not mean we can. We do not follow the lead of the news media, Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia not a newspaper. HelenOnline08:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough. My objection was that the news article did provide source, but I did wonder who they were referring to as "legal experts". I reverted the removal mostly out of objection to the edit summary of "biased nonsense", which itself isn't exactly a pinnacle of non-bias. Rhowryn (talk) 04:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Lead
I think the current lead goes into a lot of details that an average reader would get lost reading. I think we need to have a bit more of an inverted pyramid style, so the very first part has the most important parts right away. Those important parts would be that Kercher was murdered, Knox and Sollecito were accused, convicted and ultimately exonerated, Guede was also convicted but there is no doubt of his guilt, media circus. The stuff about staged break in, legalese, etc. can all just be covered in the full article. DreamGuy (talk) 16:52, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Rewriting an article of this size can be, speaking from experience, a very time-consuming and arduous. If you'd like to do it, I don't think anyone will object, but they probably won't help out much either. It's not like the old days on WP anymore, when it was easier to get people to help out with significant article improvement. Cla68 (talk) 01:47, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
It may be worth exploring whether or not to start from the version of the article after the rewrite following the last exoneration. The current version is so problematic that I gave up on it long ago.LedRush (talk) 02:50, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree that this article deserves revision, if only because for the most part it is another take on the Amanda Knox article. However, I will not venture to make substantial revisions to this article while the relatives of the victim are reeling in the knowledge that the Italian judicial system has thus far declared that the one convicted murderer did not act alone and that all the prosecutors' other suspects have been exonerated. Perhaps when Italy’s Court of Cassation has made its reasoning public, that would be the time for a major revision.
Whether the convicted murderer had accomplices or not, I’ll add that a lot of people have got away with murder. That’s not much consolation for Meredith Kercher’s family, but it shouldn’t reflect unduly on those who have been named, shamed and exonerated.
JoeMCMXLVII, That the 'Italian judicial system has thus far declared' multiple attackers is wrong. Knox Sollecito were arraigned before judge Micheli in Sept 2008, and the prosecution charges against Guede were clearly framed to implicate Knox and Sollecito as the primary offenders because although all three were charged with acting together in the murder, Guede was not charged with having a knife or faking a break in. Guede opted to be tried by Micheli so Mechelli heard the case against AK and RS and Guede, and then ruled on Guede's guilt and sent Knox ans Sollecito for trial. The 2008 Micheli report ruled out Guedee might have been a lone killer who had got in by simply knocking on the entry door at 11pm and attacking Kercher when she opened it to him (she knew Guede as a pal of her boyfriend) and then faking a burglary to mislead investigators. The 2015 Italian supreme court decision means the aforementioned scenario is most certainly not ruled out.Overagainst (talk) 17:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
User:DreamGuy, I don't agree we can say Knox and Sollecito were accused, convicted and ultimately exonerated in the lead before mentioning Guede. Guede was long ago found to have committed the murder and exhausted his appeals. Knox and Sollecito were never convicted in that sense, and the international publicity and criticism over their prosecution is the main notability of the case.Overagainst (talk) 17:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
User:LedRush Guede had a different type of trial and his conviction was made definitive years ago. In italian law Knox and RS were not never definitively convicted (convicted in the US sense) and exonerated only in 2015. As the article is about the murder and not AK's travails it really should not have all very much about Amanda Knox in it. Unfortunately there were people who insisted on emphasising that she had been "convicted"implying it was in an analogous sense to being found guilty of murder in a US jury trial, and there was a need for balance. Now that Knox and Sollecito are definitely acquitted the AK part of this article can be greatly condensed.Overagainst (talk) 17:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Autopsy
In the section Autopsy, the final sentence makes no sense. How are the reviewers disagreeing? If Lalli meant that there was no sexual motive, being instead robbery or something else, this needs to be made clear so the reader can see why they disagreed with him. Akld guy (talk) 06:34, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
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Moved from User talk:HelenOnline § Murder of Meredith Kercher – Moved from my user talk page. HelenOnline 11:52, 29 May 2014 (UTC)