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Not bad faith

Hi. You're not receiving bad faith or summary mistreatment by admins. Several of us have been extra patient in dealing with this problem because we don't want to block you. But if you keep fighting against community standards, that's what's going to happen, regrettably. There's no rush. Why don't you discuss this. If you can make a good case for your position, we might be able to accommodate you somehow, or there might be a compromise. Jehochman 15:43, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to point out the obvious - but Hullaballoo, at the moment, due to the move-war that you've initiated, when you moved User talk:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz/Archive 2, you moved it to User talk:User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, which was tagged and deleted as an implausible typo. At the moment, you're entire talk page history has been deleted. Continuing to try and redirect your archive to your talk page is, well, futile at the moment. @Fram and Jehochman: can one of you restore the revisions to the archive? Dusti 15:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

The history is at User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz/Archive 2. Fram (talk) 15:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Derp.... I went off of your edit at User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz/Archive2 ;) /me goes back to sleep Dusti 16:01, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Block notice

Sadly, I have now blocked you for 24 hours for disruptive editing. You technically still can edit this page, and thus reinstate the redirect. This will only lead to the removal of your talk page access as well, so please don't.

You were given plenty of chances to discuss this, but only replied by reinstating your preferred but for others clearly unacceptable situation. This is disruptive editing. Your user talk page is not your property to do with like you please, it is a place for other editors to contact you. Making this deliberately much harder is not something that can be accepted. Fram (talk) 15:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe we could back away from the cliff

HW, if I unblock you, and move your talk page back here temporarily as a gesture of respect, can I assume you'll discuss this at WP:AN, and will abide by whatever consensus forms there? That way you could have some control over how it is resolved. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:07, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Flo, you doing that action would be disputed. Please discuss it first. If you are right, I'm sure you are eloquent enough to generate a consensus for your proposal. Jehochman 16:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

No, Fram said he was OK with another admin doing it at AN. And you handled this poorly, contributing to the dysfunction. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

No, Fram said if it seems likely that he'll stop redirecting his talk page of course - Not an agreement to restore the disputed talk page here, unblock him, and then ask him to discuss it at AN. Dusti 16:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with your proposed admin action. The dysfunction is that the editor is using his talk page in a way that prevents others from communicating with him. You are welcome to disagree with me, but you should not use sysop access in furtherance of a disagreement. Go to WP:AN and generate a consensus to unblock the editor. That will provide an opportunity perhaps to discover the best way forward. Your judgement is not better than everybody elses'. Jehochman 16:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Dear God in Heaven, you people are morons. You enjoy this, don't you? You enjoy escalating shit, and pissing all over any attempt to deescalate. This conversation is between HW and me, and if he agrees then I'm going to do this, and if you want to whine about it somewhere, that will be fine. Shame on you. And yes, in this case, my judgement is better than yours, because I'm trying to help, and you're trying to enforce. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:20, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Woah! First of all, you're assuming bad faith, and you're being condescending. I tried getting Hull to open up and talk about why he was opposed, and he kept edit warring to restore his talk page. He chose his actions, not me, not Jehochman. I understand that you're trying to deescalate, but you can't unliaterally go against consensus that's developed at AN. All Jehochman is asking for you to do is see if the there's a consensus to revert, unblock, and then try and discuss with HW. FWIW, I'm deeply offended that you're insinuating that I think this is a great thing to happen. The last thing anyone wanted here was for HW to be blocked. No wonder this community is going to shit with all this bad faith. Dusti 16:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I've unwatched this page. Jehochman 16:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Guys, yes the talk page was getting to be a problem. But talking it out over days rather than barging in and just changing it would have been a much better call. It isn't like it's some new emergency--it's been years. Let Floq and HW see if they can't find a reasonable way forward. Hobit (talk) 17:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• • While I appreciate your comments and Floquenbeam's, no reasonable response from me is going to matter. This was obviously an out-of-process put-up job designed to discredit and remove a "troublesome" editor whose adherence to and enforcement of policies makes a certain claque of administrators/editors uncomfortable.

Note that

1. The AN discussion was initiated by an editor who I had little or no prior interaction with, and who had made no attempt at substantive discussion of the issues with me. That normally precludes resorting to the drama boards.
2. The editor who initiated the AN discussion then canvassed eight users, just about all of whom have engaged in disputes with me over various issues, but not editors who had expressed similar concerns but who were usually on the same "side" as I was in BLP disputes. It is remarkable, to say the least, that Technical 13 somehow managed to select the two admins whose closes I recently supported overturning in currently-active discussions at DRV and one editor whose current DRV proposals I've opposed . Even more remarkably, the editor managed to search my supposedly difficult-to-handle talk page, find all of these users to canvass, and post to WP:AN in about 15 minutes. It is certainly reasonable to suspect this enterprise was set up in advance, and I see no reason to doubt it.
3. There have been roughly 200 posts to the talk page in the last 90 days or so. That hardly is consistent with the claim that I "effectively disable his talk page by letting it get so large it will not load reliably".
4. Despite my running an old OS (Windows XP) and using a notoriously lousy but, in my area, unavoidable ISP, I don't have any trouble accessing the talk page, even if I'm not logged in. The only time I had trouble was when the stinking Visual Editor was active. I suspect that many of the editors who actually have problems have editing "enhancements", scripts, gadgets, addons, browser extensions whatever, that subtly degrade their performance. When some editors report no serious problems and others report dysfunction, it is more likely that the problem's root cause is not the source page. I often have problems getting userspace pages including media files to load readily, and I'm not the only one, but I don't demand that everybody else restrict their pages to fit my idiosyncracies.
5. I'm often in disputes here with publicists, promoters, and other folks who try to use Misplaced Pages as an internet marketing tool. I note that the summary disputed action here was taken buy a guy in the internet marketing business. That really smells. There's no way around it.
6. I've also often been used as a poster child for admin abuse by commenters at Misplaced Pages Review and Wikipediocracy, after a particularly atrocious admin blocked me for a comment made by another editor, refused to block the editor who made the comment, and refused to unblock after Checkuser confirmed no association with the other editor. That incident has led to a disproportionate number of conflicts with admins and editors who are hostile toward those sites, as well as a lack of deference on my part to administrative "authority". And some of what's happening here looks to be payback. And I'm sick and tired of Wolfowitz-only rules here, like being told I can't use the phrase "convicted criminal" to describe an actual convicted criminal, while allowing the article subject's girlfriend to use the same phrase to describe someone who was not convicted (or even charged with) any crime. You can't make stuff like that up.
7. I clearly wasn't given anything like a reasonable opportunity to respond. I was notified about the AN discussion at about 1AM my time last night, saw nothing calling for an immediate response, and decided to wait until morning to see how things were sorting out. At the time Jehochman acted, there clearly was no consensus for his action (which he technically botched to begin with). As the length of this response indicates, acting without giving me a chance to respond was utterly uncalled for.

• If you want to post any or all of this to WP:AN, @Hobit:, feel free. But this was a planned lynching, and I don't expect fair treatment in response; that's why I haven't posted an unblock request. It won't be the first time. Could be the last, though. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

  Thank you for taking the time to respond Hullaballoo. Would you mind telling us why you're opposed to the requests to archive your page, and what, if anything, you would rather happen? I'll post this to the AN thread, if that's okay. Dusti 21:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Read items 3 and 4, which directly address the threshold question. It's obvious from the responses that already show up at AN, though, that I wouldn't have received a fair hearing even had I responded instantly. And why didn't you post it in the appropriate, initial section? The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

    • There was no smooth place to post your reply, so I made it it's own section. It shows others that you have replied and gives a spotlight to what you're saying, which is important for the overall discussion. Dusti 21:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd recommend that you don't revert the archiving of your talkpage, when your 24hr-block expires. Trust me, a combative nature isn't going to help. It's a lesson that I've learned these last 2+ yrs. GoodDay (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• HW, perhaps we are BLP enemies (are we?), but here's some serious advice: they archived your talk page because it was absurdly long. If this is a vendetta against you, it is a very dumb one, and one you should ignore. If you're going to get intentionally blocked by reverting edits, let's make it over something really worthwhile to you!--Milowent • 22:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

HW, I don't think you and I have ever had a conflict, and FWIW I agree with everyone else that you should archive your talk page as a sign of respect for people trying to leave you messages (It took me quite a while to load your archived talk page this morning). I just don't agree with the way it was handled. I recognize some sensible people in that AN thread, so it's not all enemies.

You don't have to ask, I'll unblock you now as (at least) a token of de-escalation. Especially since it isn't preventing you from doing what you were blocked for, and because it's easier for you to post to AN than to have someone transfer your comments.

So where do you want to go from here? What reasonable outcome do you want to see? I'm pretty sure the page is going to end up getting archived, reading the writing on the wall, but it makes no sense for this to happen without your input on how. If it makes you more willing to discuss it, I'll move it back here until a final decision is reached, but that's admittedly just symbolic; barring an unforeseen development I can't imagine it staying that way forever. Do you want to archive it a different way? Or argue for not archiving it at AN? Or do you want to cut your losses and move on? Also, I note that while your comments above explain why you don't think it should have to be archived, it doesn't explain why you actually object to it being archived. Is it just a matter of not wanting busybodies telling you what to do, or is there more to it? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• (edit conflict × 2)Some responses here as the editor who raised the issue in the first place. I'm guessing you feel like you are being "strong-armed" with "mob tactics", and since I'm aware of the fact that you've had multiple other conflicts (you're not alone in that), I'm not going to assume you are unjustified in thinking so.

As you mention in your first bullet point, The AN discussion was initiated by an editor who I had little or no prior interaction with, which means to me that you acknowledge the fact that I'm not here "just another member of the mob". I'll point out that I'm not an administrator (don't honestly want to be one at this point) and I'm usually on the other end of the stick (that everyone keeps telling me to drop). You seem to be complaining that I did not first try to discuss it with you before heading over to AN, and the reason I did not initiate further discussion with you on the topic before heading over to AN was that I was technically incapable of directly editing your user page; the only reason I managed to add the AN notice was because I did it through the API via Twinkle.

In your second bullet, you accuse me of CANVASSING eight other users, and based on your just about all of whom have engaged in disputes with me over various issues statement, you seem to think I did it to stack the deck against you only notifying people who you've had disputes with in the past. I'll say that I notified exactly nine people of the discussion at AN, yourself and the eight people who I linked to their requests on your user talk page for archival over the last nearly five years now. I notified them, because an action that they had performed involved them in the discussion when I linked those revisions. There was no other reason or motive behind it and I have no idea who you have or haven't had disputes with in the past, nor do I much care.

In the third bullet, you mention how 200 posts have been made to your talk page in the last 90 days. I'm not sure what your point in making that comment was suppose to be considering your page was too large 50 months ago and way way too large as much as a year ago. This is something that should have been done long ago and consistently.

You mention that your system and connection are lousy in your fourth point, and that you have no troubles loading your page. You then try to shift the blame to gadgets, userscripts, beta features claiming that it's not your fault if people can't communicate with you because they choose to use those features. I'll tell you that on my ShoeMaker test account, using nothing but wiki default settings and the monobook skin (I think that's what it is called), and a decent computer with a 15Mb cable connection, I still couldn't access your talk page and make a successful save (I keep getting the Wikimedia Error window). So, blaming the software just isn't going to fly for me.

As for the remainder of your bullet points, those seem to me to be out of context of what my goal was in starting the AN discussion in the first place. You seem to have taken a lot of stuff personally (and I'm not sure I blame you, I've felt very similar at times), and you've let that effect your judgement. For me it is simply a technical issue,l nothing more, nothing less. If you and Floquenbeam can reach an effective agreement for an archiving scheme that is reasonable for everyone and Floq wishes to end the block early based on that, then I entirely support that. I hope that you can resolve this quickly, and get back to happily editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 22:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Not hardly convincing. You give no explanation of why you decided to personalize this; you cited only one complaint in the last two years beside your own, which to a reasonable person would signal that you ought to consider it's not a major problem, and might well be at your end, you don't make any attempt to explain the remarkable correlation between the open DRVs and the selective list of editors to WP:CANVASS, you had no good reason to open an out-of-place discussion at AN rather than at the Village Pump (policy decisions and "technical decisions" aren't reserved for admins), leaving only the inference that your real interest was provoking action against me. And, frankly, if you don't believe the many recent posts to my talk page are signals that the problems you claim to be concerned with don't seem to affect most users, and in turn that the problems may well be at your end, than your technical competence is likely lower than you believe it is. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 00:58, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

It's just an unnecessary hassle to have to scroll down through a long talk page, the standard convention is to archive it, and a bunch of folks asked you to. So why the stubborn antisocial behavior? NE Ent 01:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Why the antisocial behavior? I'm practicing to be an admin! (rimshot) I would find it a bigger hassle to have to rummage through the large set of archives that would result from the standard archiving practices. I'm sick and tired of the Wolfowitz-only rules that get applied to me. No other editor was subjected to being blocked for actions taken by a different editor, even though that editor was not blocked or even warned. The editor who did this wasn't sanctioned or warned in any way as long as I was seen as their main target. On and on, over and over. I don't believe that this dispute was initiated in good faith; the initiator hasn't given any remotely credible explanation of how they came to be involved; the improper CANVASSing was quite apparent, the discussion clearly never approached consensus, and yet summary action was taken for no reason beyond "Oh, fuck Wolfowitz, he's unmutual". As the late Mr Vonnegut would say, "The fix is in". The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 05:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

It's hardly a Wolfowitz only rule; it's right in WP:TALKCOND "It is recommended to archive or refactor a page either when it exceeds 75 KB, or has multiple resolved or stale discussions." One of the commenters on AN made a similar request to another editor three days ago . You were first asked over four years ago . Part of being a member of a community is following conventions simply because they are conventions. NE Ent 12:12, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

You may be naive enough to believe that, but it's utter bullshit. The AN complaint that started was obviously pretextual, brought in violation of the prescribed procedures at AN, not to mention those "standard conventions" you want to rely on. And it was improperly WP:CANVASSED, obviously and clumsily. But that's OK, because it's Wolfowitz. This wasn't about the talk page, even if you believe it was. "Part of being a member of a community is following conventions simply because they are conventions"? Nonsense. Part of being a member of a community is recognizing and accepting that communities are diverse, that different styles and opinions are legitimate, and that there's nothing wrong with being "unconventional". I got a few complaints a year about the talk page, mostly from editors pushing their side in active disputes -- and the fact that I have about as active a talk page as non-admins have puts the lie to the claim that the page significantly impeded communication. It's been open season on Wolfowitz here this year: It's OK for a paid publicist to make phony accusations of racism without consequences ; a venomous troll bent on defaming an article subject was allowed to continue so long as the only editor she harassed was Wolfowitz . If you're going to join a lynching party, don't expect the guest of honor to appreciate your lovely choice of rope. No More Mr Nice Wolfowitz (talk) 14:46, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• The only one personalizing this has been you. I didn't cite only one complaint other than my own, I listed eight of them, including my own (), which to a reasonable person would signal that you ought to consider it is a major problem. There was a different editor for each one of those various requests for you to archive your talk page (using many various methods from starting a discussion on your talk page, to setting up a bot for you, to marking the page with the {{Archiveme}} template), those are the editors I pinged. Your repeated refusal to take a hint over the last five years indicated to me that there needed to be a discussion on a noticeboard that dealt with such issues. If I had gone to AN/I, then I would certainly agree that it would have been out of place; however, I went to AN which seemed like an appropriate place and the resulting discussion and consensus seems to confirm. As for your last comment there, you are certainly more than welcome to your opinion. — {{U|Technical 13}} 02:00, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• You're working hard to demonstrate your lack of good faith. First of all, you've blatantly misquoted me. I said one complaint in the last two years besides your own. An average of one complaint a year, roughly, would not indicate a major problem, especially when so many of them came from editors on the opposite sides of disputes. There were a few that you didn't cite, but you carefully avoid explaining the fact that you went out of your to spot and improperly WP:CANVASS editors you expected to be hostile to me. Hell, your technically deficient signature may well do more to degrade performance across the project. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 03:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Dear God, this talk page is going to be as long as it was if we keep on with these long responses.--Milowent • 22:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Can we all please get on with the task in hand, not bickering over a page that, frankly, is for constructive discussion? The page has been archived, and the block removed, so there doesn't appear to be anything else constructive to happen here. Let's get back to improving the encyclopedia, which will be good however you look at it. --Mdann52talk to me! 18:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

"We've screwed you over, now get back to doing what we tell you" is not a communication that furthers improvement of the encyclopedia. This obviously isn't about the talk page, or about policy or guideline, but about slapping down an editor who is seen as sufficiently deferential to a claque of editors/admins. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:32, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I think you meant insufficiently. But fixing it might mean deferring to the claque... will the problems never end? Bazj (talk) 20:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

HW, you're only making things worst for yourself, by being combative. Don't make the mistakes that I've made in 2011, 2012 & 2013. GoodDay (talk) 20:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you're right about the canvassing; total WP:VOTESTACKING. Which means, if we discount the canvassed editors on AN, there really wasn't consensus for anything. (My personal opinion remains unchanged, but obviously that doesn't mean very much.) So the question is -- what do you want to do about it? I closed the AN thread as much to stop the HW bashing as anything else, and it's unclear to me whether re-opening would make things better or worse. Let me know if you want me to re-open the discussion. NE Ent 20:59, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• For the record I largely agree with NE Ent here. I feel this whole thing moved way (way) too fast and amounted to bullying. But the page was a (small) problem and probably needed to be addressed (from my home computer I'd tried to edit the old page and it took about 30 seconds to load but I've an old/crappy computer and a slow connection). I'd urge you to let it go as there really isn't anything more to be done. I hate letting people bully me (to the point of becoming irrational) so I get that might not be so easy to do. Hobit (talk) 01:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

It's a website ... it is what it is. You're not blocked. Go do what you want to do. — Ched :  ?  02:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

About all that bother

Sorry about the recent railroading you got over at AN/I. Your talk page was too long but what was imposed on you was way outside of policy and precedent. They're getting awfully aggressive over at the AN shop these days. GraniteSand (talk) 07:39, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely outrageous; but, heh. _Fortuna 14:39, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

FYI

There is a report, initiated by me, at WP:AN3#User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz reported by User:Mdann52 reguarding some of your recent edits. I'm going to see if there is any edit warring by the other side as well, and if so, I'll move this to a different venue, or report them too as appropriate. --Mdann52talk to me! 17:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

CSD tag removal

Please stop. Rodelyn Onggo is most certainly unremarkable. A quick Google search shows no reliable sources. Brollos also may not be notable, but I haven't translated the articles I found. Please do not remove these tags- that is an administrator's job.Qxukhgiels (talk) 20:14, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

It is evident you have no proper understanding of speedy deletion policy. Any editor, other than the page creator, may remove a speedy tag. You have been blitz-tagging new articles, mostly from new editors, without allowing their creators to finish writing them. Your tags are too often substantively wrong as well -- tagging Saleh al-Ogaili with A7 was just plain atrocious since the article undeniably asserted not just significance but notability, and it was plain as day that the creator was still working on it. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 20:40, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Pamela Gordon

What I was doing was adding accurate information found on her article on Playboy One.

No, what you were doing was adding unsourced breast/cup sizes to women's bios, mostly BLPs/ The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 00:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

The information was taken directly from each woman's article on Playboy Online, I was simply adding information about the person.

Just a comment from a passerby

First of all I am not a big editor like many of you all, most of my edits have been spelling and punctuation errors. Second I don't know all the rules of Misplaced Pages, but I try my best to not be a bother to others, and I never believe I am the so called "final authority" on any subject. I am here to help and am interested in seeing articles provide the 'proper' and 'correct' information for the folks who read them (ignorance is due mainly to lack of information). This all being said...I find it very interesting that in recent days all the editors who have "corrected" me on any small faults or errors of mine, have themselves been guilty of making grave errors and been blocked or otherwise brought into check by the Administrators. You sir, from reading your Talk page, seem to have made several bad mistakes and made a number of people upset.

Now, the article on Karen Price I was editing and expanding, and was NOT finished yet working on. And yet you in your wisdom came and deleted my revisions and reverted it back to its original form. The information I gathered I TOOK directly off the main and proper source for any bio information on said person, her former employer Playboy Magazine. The bio information I was correcting on several Playmates, IF you would check, was taken off a website NOT affiliated with Playboy and several things were incorrect (cup size, weight, etc.).

Now I DO NOT appreciate people who "think" they know better swooping down and changing things when my intention is simply to correct information. I have noticed in Misplaced Pages several editors who seem to prowl the website just waiting for somebody to make a mistake, then they pounce. What should be done is the editor explains the mistake and gives the person the chance to make corrections THEMSELVES.

But sir, to you and ALL other editors who wish to correct any mistakes I make, PLEASE have the decency to tell me and give me the opportunity to make my own corrections.

GO THE HELL AWAY. You are obviously trolling me. You have been editing here since 2005; you have nearly 7 thousand edits, and you plainly are on notice of such central policies as WP:BLP, WP:RS, and WP:NFCC. You're nevertheless complaining because I've been removing unreferenced, poorly referenced, incorrectly referenced, and unsourced claims you've been inserting into articles without substantive discussion. And despite your puling about using "the main and proper source" about Karen Price, this three-stage edit,, adding the vital encyclopedic text "She is best known for being one of the largest breasted Playboy Playmates of the 1980s", is actually referenced to a message board archive -- and no post on that page remotely supports the claim you make, despite the contributions of such noted authorities on popular culture as "Milkmaniac", "DruulEmpire", "cboobs", "r2d2", and the renowned academic authority "Loverofbigtits". The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:58, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015 !!!

Hello Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, May you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New year 2015. Happy editing, LADY LOTUS • TALK 18:16, 19 December 2014 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thanks

Thanks for removing my CSD tag on the 5sos page and Editions Musica Ferrum. I now realize I shouldn't have tagged either of them. Everymorning talk 21:57, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

I was mostly wary of the change because it was from an anon IP and made no attempt to explain its removal. Cheers, GentlemanGhost (converse) 00:17, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from Bocassa, a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion and appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the article's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. JudeccaXIII (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with Bocassa. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion, which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the article's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. JudeccaXIII (talk) 21:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I know what you're doing is in good faith, but if you have concerns with deletion of an article, contest with the deletion according to the tag. Don't remove it. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 21:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:CIR. Anyone but the page creator can remove a speedy tag, and you know I'm not the page creator, because you've put a notice on their talk pag.e three times. Your insistence on reinstating a declined speedy approaches the abusive. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:CIR is not policy, and if you want me to stop placing the tag, What criteria gives you the right to remove the tag? Then I will stop — JudeccaXIII (talk) 21:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I need to apologize to you has you were on the right. I should have given more time for the editor to expand the article. I try to delete articles ASAP with no sources and little to no content. I'v been through many heated discussions lately through my mistakes or just too aggressive towards other editors over little simple edits. This time it's an obvious mistake I made, and I should have consulted with you and the creator of the article. My apologies and have a Merry Christmas! Cheers! — JudeccaXIII (talk) 22:44, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Did I really bite?

Hello. Regarding your comment at the history of Coronary artery disease treatment in ayurveda, I'm not sure I bit anyone (let alone so hard as to justify mentioning God). Given that it was the first time I've used the speedy deletion option (not being the most experienced of users myself), can you please explain what my mistake has been? I admit it did not cross my mind that the user's intention was to create an article instead of a template. Was I supposed to? (Please check my notice on that user's talk page first.) Thanks! NikosGouliaros (talk) 21:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes, you should have thought of that; and, even if your assumption was correct, the appropriate action would have been to transfer the faux-template to draftspace, because stashing text an editor is working on is hardly something we discourage here. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Seasonal Greets!

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Non-free images at Eleanor Hibbert

FYI: Talk:Eleanor Hibbert#Non-free images. Huon (talk) 19:15, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Brian Jerome (footballer)

Hi there. I'm considering proposing speedy deletion of Brian Jerome (footballer) again; last time I did this, you removed the template with the comment "article includes a credible claim of significance, which is a lower standard than notability". I'm not entirely familiar with the policies for speedy deletion, but I dispute that this player (if he even exists) is significant: he has never played a match for a professional team and there's no mention of him on the Oxford United official website, and no hits on Google except relating to this article. As such he surely fails WP:NFOOTBALL. All substantive edits to the article are by the same user, Derrypardons, who has not edited any other article and did not respond to a note on his talk page about this. The first version of the article had a Soccerbase reference that referred to a completely different player (Junior Brown). I'm not convinced this Brian Jerome even exists, and even if he does he's surely not significant (whatever that means). No other youth player at Oxford has an article, unless they've played for the first team in a competitive match. Dave.Dunford (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

So BLP-PROD the article; it doesn't sound like an obvious enough hoax to speedy. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 00:05, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks – it seems someone else has already done it, albeit on slightly different grounds. Dave.Dunford (talk) 12:28, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Hey HW, when you made this edit and left the Edit summary "inaccurate", we're you saying that the content added is or is not accurate? When I saw it, but did not see a new source added and without an edit summary, I rejected it as a Special:PendingChanges list item for review. Regards, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:11, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I said, plain as day, you were inaccurate. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm... OK, so you are claiming that the content is supported by a source? I guess I'll go check that. I guess it also goes without saying that you don't consider that statement "spam" or "trivia" or "fan cruft" then. Regards, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you restrict your inferences to what I say rather than comments about what I didn't say, although why you would suggest that statements in articles about a Daesh terrorist are "fan cruft" is weirdly disturbing. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, if you stated what you meant in a clearer manner, we wouldn't be having this discussion. As for what does or does not disturb you, I know you have some biases, but I'm trying harder to not judge so harshly of late. In the future, I'll note that you draw a distinction between porn stars and terrorists when it comes to their BLP articles and what you consider acceptable content. It just seems strange that you think porn stars are less worthy of "humanizing". You also used to have more consistency, but its good to see that you're fallible after all... :) Regards, --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 07:35, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

You two certainly make a great couple. Can I make an observation or two? I'll try to be fair. This source has the Messi thing, so it's not unsourced. I'm not sure why you didn't see that Scalhotrod, unless it is because, and this is certainly possible, there is SO much text with that one reference all the way at the end. If that's the case, that's fine--it's over now. Hullabaloo, I do agree that "inaccurate" is really not helpful; I suppose you meant it to mean "yes it is in the source, duh". Please do us all a favor next time and be overexplicit, OK?

Both of you are valued contributors. You've been here some time. You have experience. We need you around. So please keep it together and make that extra step. Please. Drmies (talk) 03:23, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

You may seem him as a valued contributor; I view him as a guy who trolls and harasses editors he's in content disputes with. I've been one of Chrris's favorite targets since I raised issues involving his COI, promotional, and copyvio editing nearly two years ago. I can't see a guy who's egged on trolls like "Carriearchdale" and Benjiboi socks in efforts to harassment, who's endorsed "appalling" bad faith accusations of racism in an AFD discussion, and who has made groundless personal attacks like this in edit summaries , and who's just come off a lengthy topic ban for similar misbehavior as someone who should be valued. This is a typical example of attempting to dialog with Chris when he's in trolling mode, as he usually is with me, and I'm not going to waste time cater to his unreasonable and disruptive preferences. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 00:03, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, how about this: you write better and more accurate edit summaries to appease the poor schmucks who sometimes attempt to make peace between editors in order to let this joint run more smoothly? Drmies (talk) 01:46, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Given that Scalhotrod has just gone out of his way to insult me as "inane" and "biased" here , where he also claims that my reference to the AFD for the CAVR Award was so vague he couldn't find Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/CAVR Award, I don't think the supposed defects in my edit summary had anything to do with his response. A week or so ago, he attacked my removal of unsourced claims that named living people were involved with human-animal porn as BLP zealotry, which is hardly a claim a reasonable, good faith editor would make. If you want to keep the peace, cracking down on editors who go out of their way to break it would be a better starting point than let the wookkiee win has been. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 02:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

At the risk of belaboring the point, I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about me. Your edit summary was lousy, and that's all there is to it; no amount of stewing over your opponent's shortcomings is going to change that, and all I'm asking, sweet Jesus!, is that you be more clear next time. That's all, and now I am going to sign off and stay away. Drmies (talk) 02:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the Commando_Jeep page

A piece of commercial fluff about slapping a few boxes on a ruralized soccer-mom transporter. What, exactly, is there to keep here, and why would it be notable even if it were true? And why, even if it were notable, would it be worth devoting so many words to it? I say it's spinach, and I say to hell with it.Anmccaff (talk) 17:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

And none of that justifies bypassing the standard deletion process, especially since you clearly acknowledge that the primary issue is notability. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 17:18, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

No, I'd say a bigger issue is that it is so factually inaccurate and fluff-ridden that, if cleaned up, it would not even make a decent stub. Go through and mentally blue-pencil the lies and the sales puffery ("...but I repeat myself.") Then add that it is a one-off editor who has linked it to every possible connection he can imagine. If that ain't deletable, what is?Anmccaff (talk) 17:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Donetsk

I'm aware of the disruptive editing from the other party. DGG ( talk ) 20:03, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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Personal attack

Please stop personal attack and respect Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith. You do not understand something in my action? You can ask.

• why I created a notification of SPI? Because user Раціональне анархіст aka Pax and Redban and its sockpuppets has very similar behavior, on several levels. Not just me this noticed. SPI came out well, because the sockpuppet of Redban caught.
• why drew attention to the topic ban? because (still) I think that topic ban has been broken, topic ban is "about or related to pornography", this page AfD is relate to pornography because involves the removal of pornographic actor. For me is simple: "about or related to pornography" and AfD about pornographic actor, so.

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He hasn't made any personal attacks or assumed bad faith where none was in evidence. You, on the other hand, have. Pax 02:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Shane Diesel deletion review

An article whose AfD you recently participated in has been restored pending deletion review. Pax 20:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Hi Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, thanks for your sensible keep at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Last Disaster. I have instigated a speedy keep and incorporated the reviews in The Last Disaster article. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

rabbitsreviews.com

I see you removed a number of links to rabbitsreviews.com, and it looks like most have been restored and more added since. I started a discussion with Hanswar32, and Scalhotrod jumped in right away. Is there past discussion on this or similar problems? --Ronz (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

And he's back. Let's get this settled. These long-term edit-wars in BLPs shouldn't be happening. --Ronz (talk) 14:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Wizkid (musician)

I reverted your edit to the Wizkid (musician) article because it didn't make sense. You can't say "no current source" when the section is well sourced. If you have a problem with the section, take it to the noticeboards. You can't removed sections on Misplaced Pages without consensus. Versace1608 (Talk) 22:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Cytherea

Since edit summaries seem to be going out of vogue, could you explain why you removed the rape info from the Cytherea article? Dismas| 17:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Because the content had already been disputed by another user, apparently under BLP, then restored without discussion by an IP-SPA; because the sourcing really doesn't satisfy BLP requirements; and because the curious selection of references appeared designed to ridicule/embarrass a third party with only a tenuous connection to the article subject. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Dismas| 19:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Concern about revert edit summary

Hi Hullaballoo Wolfowitz! I'm helping User:Swartzcr learn more about how to edit Misplaced Pages as part of an Art and Feminism edit-a-thon today, and I saw that you reverted several of their edits with the summary "dubious sourcing and lousy writing". That's an unfortunately insulting and potentially discouraging edit summary, especially for good-faith edits by a person who is relatively inexperienced (as you can check from their contributions history); please be more neutral and polite when describing problems with another person's work. It would also be helpful for the quality of this article to point out the problems more specifically - which sentences in those edits do you think need work? Which references need to be improved? Thank you. Dreamyshade (talk) 00:35, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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Nina Mercedez

I have no idea how this article wound up on my watchlist, but could you explain what or who 'the bucket' is? --Onorem (talk) 03:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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Mentioned you at AN/EW

At Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Hanswar32_reported_by_User:Ronz_.28Result:_.29. It looks like he may be changing his behavior, but the reverting needs to stop. --Ronz (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I think it a very bad idea to edit-war when your name has been brought up in an open ANEW discussion. --Ronz (talk) 22:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Sent you an email. -- Euryalus (talk) 07:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello

For some reason you keep deleting my personal life at https://en.wikipedia.org/Stuart_Smith_(musician) Please explain the problem here. These are all common knowledge and verifiable facts.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:2201:1E00:DC5B:10DD:7EC7:4E24 (talk) 19:01, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

What part of "wholly unsourced" is in any way unclear? Read WP:BLP. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:35, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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Mention of non-notable awards in pornography articles

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Since you've been working on this for such a long time, your perspective will be especially helpful with defining our inclusion criteria. --Ronz (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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Difference between webcam modeling and pornographic films

Why did you remove mentions of pre-porn webcam modeling from Lily Carter and Avy Scott? Webcam modeling and performing in pornographic films are not the same thing like you insinuated in these edit summaries. There are significant differences between the two. Webcam modeling shows are live and involve an actual interaction between the performer and the viewer, unlike a pornographic film. Also, webcam modeling shows do not have entries on IAFD or IMDB like actual pornographic films do. Audience size is another big difference. A webcam modeling show is viewed by a very small group of people and in some cases, only one person. A pornographic film has a much wider audience. They are simply not the same job. A porn star's career starts when they shoot their first pornographic film, not when they first appeared on a webcam, stripped, modeled nude, etc. "Before entering the pornographic industry, Carter was a webcam model" is an accurate and factual statement. Webcam modeling did not mark the beginning of her porn career, she did webcam modeling BEFORE porn. Please don't remove mentions of pre-porn webcam modeling from articles again. If your personal opinion is that there is no difference between the two, that's fine, just don't let it influence how you edit articles. You know, many people out there believe that there is no difference between a porn star and a prostitute, but WP doesn't let them go around replacing "pornographic actress" with "prostitute" in porn biographies. Rebecca1990 (talk) 02:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Shut up and go away, paid editor. What you post has virtually no relationship to the edits you are absurdly objecting to. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Jamie Dornan's image

There has been a conflict over the use of the infobox image in the Jamie Dornan page, I'm hoping that a vote to choose a preferred image would settle the dispute. I am therefore writing to those who have edited Jamie Dornan page to voice their opinion in the Jamie Dornan Talk page so we can reach a consensus. I would welcome your opinion. Hzh (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Yo Sé Que Mentía DRV

Hi. I'm not sure I understand your objection to my close. I restored the article (with the full history) to draft space. Anybody can now work on it there and (almost) anybody can move it back to main article space. That seems like it's very close to what you're asking for, and bypasses a week's worth of debate. Is this a bad thing? -- RoySmith (talk) 02:49, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

The article wasn't eligible for A7 to begin with -- TV shows aren't eligible for A7. The article should have been restored on the initial request. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 04:13, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I still don't understand why you're making such a fuss about this. You could have just fixed up the draft and restored it to main article space yourself. But, whatever, I've backed out my DRV close. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:02, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Actress bios

I noticed you removed some information from a string of articles today with the edit summary "inaccurately ascribed to CNBC, opinion of NN blogger/stringer not employed by CNBC". As far as I can tell Chris Morris is employed by CNBC , albeit in a freelance capacity. Am I missing something? VernoWhitney (talk) 18:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Mprris is not an employee of CNBC, but an independent writer. He is not listed on the relevant CNBC staff pages, and identifies himself as freelance/independent on his own home page. See the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gracie Glam, which sums it up and, so far as I know, has stood undisputed. His relationship with CNBC could be analogized to that of a syndicated columnist, whose opinions would not be attributed to a newspaper than published them. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for that pointer. I'll go read that AfD now. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 19:06, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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The above notice isn't mine but I'm letting you know you are at 3 reverts on Casey Calvert too. I am disturbed by the original research you are carrying out with regards to degrees at University of Florida simply because the exact title of the major isn't used or given. If the OFFICIAL school paper informally refers to her degree concentration, this should not be a reason to disqualify as unreliable. This a ridiculous tact for you to take. Further if she says she named herself after a specific professor with that specific last name, she most probably did and just because you feel it's scandalous to his reputation is not a reason to outright remove the mention. You could have just removed his name! Morbidthoughts (talk) 06:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Aberwyvern castle

Aberwyvern castle has been prodded. The article has no footnotes but it contains significant content about this fictional castle in David Macaulay's award-winning book Castle, so I was going to suggest merging this into the book article, but then I saw that last year you had reverted such a redirect. So before I went further I wanted to ask you the reasons for your objection and to see if you had another suggestion. Thanks. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Native American mascot controversy

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Speedy deletions

I agree I was overzealous on the speedy deletion notices. However, you also removed a large number of other flags-- both added by me and predating my edit-- which were very much necessary (notability, refimprove, etc.) I'll need to put those back in. If you'd like to assist, I am specifically targeting articles that have been flagged as orphans since 2009 or earlier. Interlaker (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC) Interlaker (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

• HW, I suppose removing the speedy was valid, but the other tags were valid too. Interlaker, see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jean Lee (reporter). Thanks to both, Drmies (talk) 17:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • No, you're quite wrong about the tags. One claimed the article "relies too much on references to primary sources", which is dead wrong -- the tag was applied in 2007 and should have been removed in 2009 when the primary sourcing was removed. The other claimed the text was "written like a résumé", even though it was straightforward prose describing the article subject's major reporting jobs. Once again, the tag was initially applied years ago, the problem was resolved by subsequent editing, and the tag was obsolete. I'm certainly puzzled by this comment, and why you grudgingly "suppose removing the speedy was valid"; the rationale for the speedy was "because it has relied on primary sources sine 2007 and has been flagged as written like a resume since 2009", which bears no relationship to any valid criterion for speedy deletion, and would be inadequate grounds for standard deletion, not to mention the fact that the tags were plainly inaccurate. Interlaker spent a good deal of time yesterday placing uniformly invalid, out-of-process speedy tags on dozens of articles; I put a good deal of effort into cleaning up the mess Interlaker created, and you respond by hassling me over a quite minor point that on simple checking is seen to be demonstrably wrong. I know it's a hobby among one faction of the administrative corps to hassled The Big Bad Wolfowitz, but in matters like this it just damages the encyclopedia. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Wow. That's a complete misreading of the tone and content of my comment, but I wouldn't want to stand in the way of a good conspiracy. Have a great day. Drmies (talk) 20:20, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
      • Well, if you had a rational explanation for complaining about my removal of obsolete and clearly invalid tags, it would be nice if you provided it. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
        • As far as the article on Jean Lee (reporter) goes, I disagree about your removal of the resume tag. However, I won't fight you on that. In order to clear up any confusion for anyone else, however, I took the step of removing any unsourced material from the article. Several lines of material had been flagged as lacking citations since 2008, and I was well within my rights to remove them. Again, I agree that I was overzealous with the speedy deletion notices. At the same time, I believe it pays off to err on the side of caution-- all it takes is one Jar'Edo Wens article to undermine Misplaced Pages far more than a few misplaced speedy deletion notices ever could. I've been editing since 2006 and it pains me to see "citation needed" flags that go back almost to when I started, without the unsourced information having been removed in the intervening time. At any rate, as I mentioned before I've been targeting older articles flagged as orphans. If you'd like to join me in removing unsourced material, and adding (or as the case may be sometimes, removing) flags, then I'll welcome your participation. Interlaker (talk) 23:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

My talk page

Why isn't it allowed? How is it a violation? Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 02:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

• Because our policy on nonfree content provides that nonfree content cannot be used outside articlespace. See WP:NFCC#9.

July 2015

Hello, I'm Seagull123. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Alyssa Miller without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Section blanking is not very helpful, even if it is "gossipmongering". Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  13:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit to user draft: Thank you.

Thank you for your recent editing comment regarding your change to the draft template I've been working on. I'm still learning all the complexities and peculiarities of Misplaced Pages editing so your message about WP:NFCC and usage outside the article namespace was helpful. I had to spend some time sorting it out though because your edit was a deletion of File:MLmadridlogotipo.png which (according to what I found on the file page) isn't actually listed as NFCC. Assuming WP:GOODFAITH though, I did find some other changes to be made based on your comments so I'll be reverting and editing appropriate to your guidance. As far as I can tell, the proper WP:EQ (I'm still learning this too) is to provide appropriate notice here. Hope I'm doing this right. N8 21:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Kathy Hilton

Hi there, just wondered why you deleted the credits I added on Kathy's she did appear in those credits... And also the year she retired from acting was 1979 not 74 Cullen1987 (talk) 22:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

John B. Thomas

FYI this article has already been deleted twice, which is why I tagged it so quickly. Still, if you want to give them another chance, that's fine. Agtx (talk) 01:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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This is as clear case of routine enforcement of WP:NFCC#1 as one could ask for, and your edit summary accusation of "VANDALISM" is hard to see as indicating that you are disputing this in good faith. Your interpretation of WP:NFCC#1 is Absolutely wrong...Modernist (talk) 16:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi

I'm sorry I didn't know Saturn star (talk) 03:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Michael Richards

Hello. I'd like to discuss to you about the Michael Richards "Personal life" section. It appears that you have deleted the information concerning his relationship with Ann Talman because you claim it is gossip. I have created a section in regards to Ann Talman on the article's talk page and I'd like to invite you to join the discussion.Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 23:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Fair use

I did not know that the cover image of the book may not be used in the portal. Can you guide me to the policy related to it? Mhhossein (talk) 13:35, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:NFCC#9, which generally prohibits the use of nonfree images outside articlespace. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

NFCC

I suggest you contact the uploader of the images that you find the material not "fair use" as each image is directly and specifically connected to the MITSFS. In fact, the first such image for Astounding was made by the MITSFS with the direct permission and encouragement of the magazine's publisher <g>. I tend to oppose indiscriminate "fair use" but suggest you graciously reconsider your opinion here, indeed. I was fortunate enough to have met Mr. Gernsback, who gave over $1,000 to the organization (IIRC he gave a Gestetner to the club - and later one of the Gestetners, as an MIT student, was a member as well). And I would love to have the alternating left and right placement restored - it makes the page look better even on iPhones. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:27, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Rockteem Bhattacharjee (Actor)‎

Please take a look at the Talk page of the article - there was a recent AfD and this repost has exactly the same issues.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Please read WP:G4 more carefully. It states that G4 does not apply to a page "which was deleted via proposed deletion or speedy deletion". The action you cite was a prior speedy deletion, which supersedes the pending AFD. If the reason for the prior speedy deletion still applies, that tag should be applied -- not G4. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah so just for my clarification. The article was speedy deleted and the closed AfD reflected that rather than AfD consensus.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

That's right on target. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 13:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Emeraude Toubia

Hello, this is a comment about this edit. I added those two sources (the gossip magazine People en Español and Billboard) because I was trying to establish notability for her (outside of her being a random beauty pageant contest in the United States and an actress on Spanish-language television shows and commercials). The user who started her Misplaced Pages article did not include *any* sources, and I had never heard of Emeraude Toubia before coming across her Wiki article, so I just googled and added all of the news articles that mentioned her name, including those two sources. Not for gossip purposes. Just fyi. 12.180.133.18 (talk) 03:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

BAMIL (Musician)

FYI: Re your decline of the G4 speedy: The nominator indeed failed to link to a previous AfD, but on the article talk page I had linked to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bamil Gutierrez Collado, a more recent AfD (from 2014) than the one you had apparently found (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bamil) from 2009. I don't know if this affects your assessment, but I wanted to be sure you had seen all of the relevant info. Thank you for your time. --Finngall 15:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

It's still not G4-eligible, because it includes a referenced claim of an award in 2015, which means it's not substantially identical to the deleted version for two reasons. I know it's hard to drive the stake through the heart of lousy articles like this, but it's often the case that standard deletion processes are required. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, no worries there. But on further review, the article is a direct copypaste from his bio on his Reverbnation site, so I've tagged it as a copyvio. Yes, this type of thing is frustrating, but irrespective of the persistent efforts of the article creator(s), the guy isn't miles away from the notability standard, so I suppose we just have to be open to reassessment within reason. --Finngall 17:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Demi Lovato

In my recent edit, you said "Misplaced Pages is not a celebrity hookup history". Of course it is because I wrote it in her personal life part. I haven't add it back again because I think we need to talk about it first. (Bistymings (talk) 01:05, 1 August 2015 (UTC))

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Martha Quest

Hi Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, I have just commented/recommended keep on the above afd. I appreciate the sentiments you gave in the discussion but hope my suggestion of a WP:TEA is okay.

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I think you need more than a cup of tea. Maybe you should take a break; I'm worried about your stress level. Either way, I want to remind you that Misplaced Pages:Civility|civility]] is a part of Misplaced Pages's code of conduct. Maybe you're better at I am at finding references; maybe you're more patient with un-referenced material. But there's absolutely no reason to go ad homenim. Behavior like yours makes people shy about contributing to the encyclopedia, and that hurts everyone. -- Mikeblas (talk) 01:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I think not. Pointing out that you didn't bother to check Google Scholar in looking for sources on the work one of the most distinguished female authors of the twentieth century isn't an "ad homenim" (sic) attack; it's pointing out your failure to comply with WP:BEFORE and related aspects of deletion practice. And not for the first time. See, for example, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Flying Saucers Are Real, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Summer King, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jedi Quest, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cold Days, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Vector Prime. Nominating articles for deletion without making competent attempts to assess the subjects' notability is disruptive, and you should expect to be called out for doing it repeatedly. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 02:20, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Why did you reverted my changes?

Hey! Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, Hope you are doing well, I request you kindly don't revert my edits into this Template:Sindh Uni Alumni , because it adds more beauty and relevance after adding a relevant image of the user box. I hope you better understand and will avoid such illogical reverts. Thanks.--Jogi don (talk) 03:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

No. WP:NFC and WP:NFCC, which incorporate policy, strictly prohibit the display of nonfree images in templates, whatever the aesthetic value may be. Whenever you display a nonfree image outside articlespace, the use is automatically flagged for review and presumptive removal. As you've likely noticed by now, another user has already removed the noncompliant use. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 14:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

speedy decline of Mariam gabunia

Hi Could you explain why it does not fit into the WP:A11. See : Talk:Mariam gabunia and User:Ketrin doulse. Thanks! Peppy Paneer (talk) 21:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Because A11 does not apply to real people, and I cannot fathom how anyone could think it does. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

haha...fine..I understood that it does not apply in this case Thank you...I read WP:A11 and Misplaced Pages:Credible claim of significance...but where is it explicitly mention that it does not apply for real people (king of Mars) ? Peppy Paneer (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Jumping in - that's because that's what WP:A7 is for. Garchy (talk) 22:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Garchy: ... Thank you...got it! Peppy Paneer (talk) 20:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Arun Honnedevasthana Shamrao

I hadn't seen the previous CSD, sorry for adding a second. I can see significance, but I don't think it will pass notability muster so I've added an XFD, in case you want to add your thoughts: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Arun Honnedevasthana Shamrao Thanks! Garchy (talk) 21:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC) (P.S., I "thanked" you for your last edit on this talk page because I thought you had a perfect/funny reply about WP A11.)

Your edit on Lucio Battisti (album)

Hi, I'm writing to you because of your edit at Lucio Battisti (album). Thanks for the contribution but I think you should have discussed before making an edit that -if unnoticed- could have permanently destroyed somebody's else work. With that said, the article had a small part of "relevant commentary": it was exactly the part you removed - the audio files' captions, that contained the only bit of music-related information in the article. It is certainly little, but the entire article is a stub, and to me it's no surprise that a 2-line article (track listing apart) has a short commentary. The article will grow and so will the audio files commentary. Cheers, --Una giornata uggiosa '94 · So, what do you want to talk about? 10:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

No. The use rationale for each file stated "It illustrates an educational article that specifically discusses the song from which this sample was taken. The section of music used is discussed in the article in relation to the song's lyrics, musical and vocal style". Three of the five captions included no substantive commentary whatever, and therefore were not used consistently with their rationales. The other two captions included superficial, unsourced commentary which itself called for removal as original research; and the content was so insubstantial that they could not support use under NFCC#8. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 16:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Use of non-free images on User Pages.

@Hullaballoo Wolfowitz: How does one determine that an image is "non-free", and should not be used on User Pages? Thanks. --- Professor JR (talk) 18:50, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The simplest answer is that is the image file is hosted on Misplaced Pages Commons, it should be OK; if it's hosted elsewhere, it's probably not. When you look at the image's File page (which you reach by clicking on the image), the page will either say (in a line underneath the image) "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons" or "Non-free media information and use rationale". The former indicates the file is free (public domain or appropriately licensed for use); the latter indicates it isn't. A relatively small percentage of the off-Commons files are also free, and don't carry the "nonfree media information" line, but those need to be checked carefully. For book covers, the general rule is that pre-1923 covers are safe to use; later covers may not be. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 19:24, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

@Hullaballoo Wolfowitz: Thank you so much, as I've long been confused on this score. That is really helpful information, and it was generous of you to take the time to so thoroughly explain it. Thanks again. --- Professor JR (talk) 09:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	In appreciation for your generous assistance with regard to the use of public domain, versus non-free, photo-images in Misplaced Pages. Much appreciated. Professor JR (talk) 09:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

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Buck Adams

What's the blp violation here? It's not the name. He's dead, so the BLP issue can't be about him. I cannot find anything in the ref that's derogatory about anyone. I know and respect your work so I won't revert but I'm genuinely baffled. What am I missing? David in DC (talk) 16:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

It's a BLP violation with regard to the boxer, who appears to be a different, presumably living person with a similar, common name. The boxer is described as a resident of Corpus Christi, TX, the porn performer as a resident of CA. The porn star's bios generally state he was a boxer before entering porn in 1984, but that date is more or less the midpoint in the boxer's career. The boxer had bouts all over the US and even one in Italy, which I'd expect would have resulted in some hype about being nationally/internationally known, but I haven't even spotted one source not based on the Misplaced Pages article that even describes him as a "professional" boxer. There's at least one other boxer named Charles Allen who's a boxer in the same time frame, whose last fight is in 1983, which is a better fit, but he's described as based in Chicago. I just don't see enough evidence to connect that boxer with the porn performer, despite the similar names. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 16:57, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. David in DC (talk) 17:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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To clarify...

...I mean you should start a section saying why it is original research. I see sources, although I cannot immediately verify many of them. There are issues with the added text, but I don't think reverting them with one edit summary and without even notifying the user responsible for adding the text is not helpful. While it is important that editors be aware of the policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages, I think editor retention is also important. The editor is not being neutral? Point out what is wrong, and don't be vague and go without saying the why. If you had completely reverted the edit but taken a moment to explain on the article's talk page or Bouldergeist's talk page, I might have been alright. I just don't think you went about it in the best way. If you disagree with me in some way, I respect that, but again, I think you should be more specific in pointing out the problem. Thanks. Dustin (talk) 18:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

By the way, I added tags to the article based on what you said in your edit summary. I don't get where the original research you speak of is, no I neglected to add an OR tag. Dustin (talk) 18:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

SubtropicalMan at ANI

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Dead Sea 1618

Hi, I would disagree that Dead Sea 1618 makes any credible claim of importance. Why did you remove the tag? Westroopnerd (talk) 19:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Because putting an A7 tag on a new article approximately one minute after an inexperienced editor has written just a single sentence is abysmally rude, stupis, and a violation of WP:BITE. The comments you wrote on your talk page on this point also indicate you don't properly understand the difference between "notability" and "significance", which is a lower standard. If a subject is "potentially notable", depending on the sourcing, there's a claim of significance sufficient to survive A7. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

"blithering idiot and/or probable sock at work"

I notice that you recently reverted one of my edits with that summary. What the HELL is that supposed to mean? Westroopnerd (talk) 20:02, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hullaballoo. You have been here 9 years. You know not to call other editors "blithering idiot". It does not matter if they are an established editor or even a drive by troll. We don't allow personal attacks here. I don't think any action is required in response to this other than a friendly note to please not let it become a pattern. While I rejected the CSD request I can see where the user was coming from, what little assertion of notability there is is weak at best. Chillum 20:13, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Please stop trolling my contributions

I've still received no reply from you about calling me a "blithering idiot", so can you now stop taking CSD templates off of pages that in no way have a place on Misplaced Pages? Thanks. Westroopnerd (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

No. You do not appear to me to be a good faith editor. You have repeatedly placed inappropriate speedy tags on just-created articles from new users, without giving them any reasonable opportunity to finish writing the articles. Nominating articles for speedy deletion one minute after their creator's first edit is abusive, shows a lack of WP:COMPETENCE, shows a lack of reasonable civility, and grossly violates WP:BITE. Even though your account was registered barely 24 hours ago, you are plainly not a new editor; your user page makes claims about their past editing, so you are not making a clean start. You therefore appear to be a bad-hand account renewing misconduct about which you were warned or sanctioned, and I suspect your account should be blocked. I note you make attempt to substantively justify your misbehaviour. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Last time

Okay, this is the last time I'm going to try talking to you. All I want is an apology for being called a "blithering idiot" without being called a troll. That is all. Westroopnerd (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)