Misplaced Pages

talk:VisualEditor: Difference between revisions - Misplaced Pages

Article snapshot taken from[REDACTED] with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editNext edit →Content deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 17:24, 3 September 2015 editWhatamidoing (WMF) (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users8,117 edits →Proposal at VPPR: new section← Previous edit Revision as of 04:08, 12 September 2015 edit undoLowercase sigmabot III (talk | contribs)Bots, Template editors2,310,540 editsm Archiving 2 discussion(s) to Misplaced Pages talk:VisualEditor/Archive 6) (botNext edit →
Line 17: Line 17:
{{Auto archiving notice |bot=MiszaBot I |age= |units= 15 days}} {{Auto archiving notice |bot=MiszaBot I |age= |units= 15 days}}
__FORCETOC__ __FORCETOC__

== VisualEditor Userboxes ==

Hello everyone! Great job on the VisualEditor so far! When I first tried it a year or so ago it was slow, buggy and just not ready for primetime. I recently tried it again after receiving a headache manually editing a particularly complex cite farm, and while it is not yet perfect, it is very much improved. I now use it whenever appropriate, though I still use the source editor for quick edits.

Anyway, I noticed there is no userboxes for VisualEditor users, so I created a pair of prototype ones. I also created a pair of userboxes for those power users who will probably decide not to use the VisualEditor themselves, but nevertheless support the aims of the project.

Which is best, blue border, or green border?

===]===

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"
|-
| style="width:350px; text-align: left; font-size: 8pt; color:black; font-family: Arial; " | {{Userbox | border-c = #2BA9E0 | border-s = 1 | id-c = #FFFFFF | id-s = 14 | id-fc = black | info-c = #FFFFFF | info-s = 8 | info-fc = black | id = {{#switch:]
|{{{logo}}} = <nowiki>{{{logo}}}</nowiki>
|{{{3}}} = <nowiki>{{{3}}}</nowiki>
|] = <nowiki>]</nowiki>
|id}} &#124; info = {{#switch:This user edits using '']''.
|This user edits using '']''. = <nowiki>This user edits using '']''.</nowiki>
|{{{4}}} = <nowiki>{{{4}}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>''info''</nowiki>}} &#124; float = left }}

| <div style="float:left; border:1px solid #2BA9E0; margin:1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px; background:#FFFFFF;"
| style="width:45px; height:45px; background:#FFFFFF; text-align:center; font-size:14pt; color:black;" | ''']'''
| style="font-size:8pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:black;" | This user edits using '']''.
|}</div>

|}

===]===

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"
|-
| style="width:350px; text-align: left; font-size: 8pt; color:black; font-family: Arial; " | {{Userbox &#124; border-c = #2BA9E0 &#124; border-s = 1 &#124; id-c = #FFFFFF &#124; id-s = 14 &#124; id-fc = black &#124; info-c = #FFFFFF &#124; info-s = 8 &#124; info-fc = black &#124; id = {{#switch:]
|{{{logo}}} = <nowiki>{{{logo}}}</nowiki>
|{{{3}}} = <nowiki>{{{3}}}</nowiki>
|] = <nowiki>]</nowiki>
|id}} &#124; info = {{#switch:This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users.
|This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users. = <nowiki>This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users.</nowiki>
|{{{4}}} = <nowiki>{{{4}}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>''info''</nowiki>}} &#124; float = left }}

| <div style="float:left; border:1px solid #2BA9E0; margin:1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px; background:#FFFFFF;"
| style="width:45px; height:45px; background:#FFFFFF; text-align:center; font-size:14pt; color:black;" | ''']'''
| style="font-size:8pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:black;" | This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users.
|}</div>

|}

===]===

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"
|-
| style="width:350px; text-align: left; font-size: 8pt; color:black; font-family: Arial; " | {{Userbox &#124; border-c = #9ACC59 &#124; border-s = 1 &#124; id-c = #FFFFFF &#124; id-s = 14 &#124; id-fc = black &#124; info-c = #FFFFFF &#124; info-s = 8 &#124; info-fc = black &#124; id = {{#switch:]
|{{{logo}}} = <nowiki>{{{logo}}}</nowiki>
|{{{3}}} = <nowiki>{{{3}}}</nowiki>
|] = <nowiki>]</nowiki>
|id}} &#124; info = {{#switch:This user edits using '']''.
|This user edits using '']''. = <nowiki>This user edits using '']''.</nowiki>
|{{{4}}} = <nowiki>{{{4}}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>''info''</nowiki>}} &#124; float = left }}

| <div style="float:left; border:1px solid #9ACC59; margin:1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px; background:#FFFFFF;"
| style="width:45px; height:45px; background:#FFFFFF; text-align:center; font-size:14pt; color:black;" | ''']'''
| style="font-size:8pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:black;" | This user edits using '']''.
|}</div>

|}

===]===

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"
|-
| style="width:350px; text-align: left; font-size: 8pt; color:black; font-family: Arial; " | {{Userbox &#124; border-c = #9ACC59 &#124; border-s = 1 &#124; id-c = #FFFFFF &#124; id-s = 14 &#124; id-fc = black &#124; info-c = #FFFFFF &#124; info-s = 8 &#124; info-fc = black &#124; id = {{#switch:]
|{{{logo}}} = <nowiki>{{{logo}}}</nowiki>
|{{{3}}} = <nowiki>{{{3}}}</nowiki>
|] = <nowiki>]</nowiki>
|id}} &#124; info = {{#switch:This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users.
|This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users. = <nowiki>This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users.</nowiki>
|{{{4}}} = <nowiki>{{{4}}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>''info''</nowiki>}} &#124; float = left }}

| <div style="float:left; border:1px solid #9ACC59; margin:1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px; background:#FFFFFF;"
| style="width:45px; height:45px; background:#FFFFFF; text-align:center; font-size:14pt; color:black;" | ''']'''
| style="font-size:8pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:black;" | This user does <b>not</b> use '']'', but thinks it's a great tool for new and less-technical users.
|}</div>

|}

] (]) 23:10, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

:There's another at ]. I'm happy to leave the color choice in your hands. ] (]) 00:39, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

== Beginning gradual availability of VisualEditor for new users ==

Last month, I made ] about gradually enabling VisualEditor alongside the wikitext editor for new editors here. Given the consensus in that discussion, I'm moving ahead with that change, starting later this week.

At first, I will restrict the configuration so that only 5% of new accounts (chosen randomly) have a choice of which editing tool to use. As promised, I'll report back on how well this goes, before increasing the rate to a larger proportion and monitoring from there.

If you have any questions or see any problems, please alert us. The fastest way to reach the team is by contacting us on IRC at {{Freenode|mediawiki-visualeditor}}, by filing a report in , or by leaving a note at ].

Yours,

] (]), Product Manager, VisualEditor – 18:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:About time! -] (]) 05:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Jdforrester (WMF)}}, could you please link to any analysis done by your team, or any reports made to the community, since this was implemented approximately a month ago? Are we still at the 5% of new accounts level, or has this been escalated with or without a report to the community? ] (]) 14:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Risker}} Hey there. I posted an update where more people were, to avoid splitting the conversation. As indicated there, we bumped the level up slowly from 5% to 10% and continued to monitor. Since then, we increased to 25%, and a week ago to 50%. ] (]) 18:45, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


== When will unregistered users be able to use VisualEditor == == When will unregistered users be able to use VisualEditor ==

Revision as of 04:08, 12 September 2015

Subpage Index
Are you here to leave feedback about VisualEditor?
Misplaced Pages has a place for that!
Post your thoughts at Misplaced Pages:VisualEditor/Feedback.
Note. VisualEditor only shows up in some namespaces, most notably in main namespace (articles) and in user namespace. No talk pages. A good place to play around is in a sandbox in a subpage in your user namespace (User:YourUserName/sandbox3) or this page if you're not logged in. For a sandbox of your own, create it here.
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the VisualEditor page.
Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8Auto-archiving period: 15 days 

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the VisualEditor page.
Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8Auto-archiving period: 15 days 


When will unregistered users be able to use VisualEditor

when will unregistered users be able to use VisualEditor as my brother wants to try it but he cant because he has no account and he does not want a account A8v (talk) 23:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


I also wonder when will it be available for the unregistered users? I think it will be very useful for unregistered users and[REDACTED] generally. I also think that VE option will make people think that "I can also edit[REDACTED] easily without the need to learn ugly and hard wikitext interface." It may take months for millions of people to become aware of easily editibality of[REDACTED] but after some time I hope[REDACTED] project will benefit from this with increase in number of active editors, total number of articles and quality of articles. Mecnunsaskin (talk) 11:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, A8v and Mecnunsaskin,
Thank you for your notes and your support. There are currently no plans to offer VisualEditor to IPs at the English Misplaced Pages. That might come later, but it depends on whether the current editing community wants to do that. (If such a discussion starts, then I'll make sure that someone posts a note here, so you might keep this page on your watchlist.)
It is technically possible for an IP to use VisualEditor, but it's not very convenient. You first need to go to the page, and then manually change the URL to open VisualEditor. You have to type ?veaction=edit at the end of the URL. So to open the page Example, you go to the URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/Example and then you change it to say https://en.wikipedia.org/Example?veaction=edit (and press Return). It only works on pages that support VisualEditor (=not talk pages or a few others), but it will work on all Misplaced Pages articles. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Gradual availability of VisualEditor for new users is now complete

Over the last few months, we have been slowly expanding the availability of VisualEditor as an option for editors. At first we ran an A/B test, and then a slow ramp-out for new accounts (A/B test announcement in May, proposal at WP:VPPR from June, note about it starting in August). This is now complete, which means that all accounts registered now will get the choice to use VisualEditor.

As always, if you have question or encounter problems, please feel free to reach out to us at Misplaced Pages:VisualEditor/Feedback.

Jdforrester (WMF) (talk), Product Manager, VisualEditor – 16:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Proposal at VPPR

James F. has started a discussion at WP:VPPR about offering VisualEditor to inexperienced editors. New accounts will all have access to both VisualEditor and the wikitext editor now, and this proposal would (for example) retroactively opt-in editors who were missed during the last couple of months (e.g., 75% of the editors who created an account during the week of the gradual deployment process when only 25% of new accounts were being opted in, etc.) and dead accounts (accounts that haven't edited ever, or for a long time). If you have opinions on the best way to handle these accounts, then please join the conversation. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:VisualEditor: Difference between revisions Add topic