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there are various groups wrongly presented as if they are directly related

Giray dynasty of crimea is not related to kara tatars directly. Girays are descendants of batu khan's youngest son, Toka Temür. They once served lithiunian king, then settled in crimea after Shirin tribe invited them. Shirins were a Turkic tribe from Crimea as well as Kereys. Once during an interdynastic struggle, a young khan of Toka Temür descent, hidden and raised by a hodja from Kerey clan. And that boy took his tribe's name Kerey as a honour to hodja. Later his descendants, Crimean khans called by distorted version of the kerey tribe's name; Giray, and it became the name of dynasty. The Kerey tribe of Crimea might be related to Keraite tribe from mongolia. Judaist Karays of Crimea and surrounding regions, also doesn't related directly to Kara Tatars. They are adhering Karaim brach of judaism and called Karay because of that. Most likely they are descendants of Khazars who converted to judaism from tengrism in middle ages. Furthermore, some Uighurs and Kyrgyzes from invading mongolian army also considered as Kara Tatars by anatolian turcomans. Each direction affiliated with a color in turko-mongol tradition and kara (black) is the color of the north, which usually added to tribal names like Karakoyunlus, Karakhitais, or sea names, like black sea (Karadeniz) which is located north of Turkey or Kara Sea (Northern sea above siberia). Kara Tatar name might be had meaning of northern Tatars, which may broadly indicate they are coming from north. Article mixed up some unrelated things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.131.121.121 (talk) 19:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Living كرايلر‎ however belong to the Seljuk Y-Haplogroup E-M34 not to the Genghisid Y-Haplogroup C3 so there is a discrepancy with the tradition.Kaz 23:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Merge Khereid here

Support The term Khereid is nothing but a transliteration of the Mongol term for the Qaraei ethnic group who have historically been referred to in Syriac Church documents as Kerait. But Keraite and Khereid are nothing but old attempts in non-Qarai languages to refer to this ethnic group in its historical past. This group is a Kypchak group which has branches in EEurope and in Mongolia but still even today the main body of Qaraei are in Kazakhstan's Middle Juz. 78.148.51.117 (talk) 12:30, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Oppose Khereid is a modern day Mongolian Family name. YuHuw (talk) 10:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Girays

I think I should just make absolutely clear (in case my trolls say I am trying to make a connection with Crimea like the blocked user near the top of this page has tried) that the spelling used by the Giray dynasty of Genghisids appears to be كرايلر not قرايلر that is a difference of ك (K) not ق (Q) so I doubt they can be included in this article without a clear reference concerning the original correct spelling of the Girays with a ق (Q) in Ottoman sources. YuHuw (talk) 10:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Move

In line with WP:Bold I have moved the Article to Qarai Turks based upon the name of their entry in the Cambridge History of Iran (also used by Richard Tapper). The reason being that Qarai appears to be the more modern and up-to date terminology. The normal English forms are Karai or Qarai rather than Kara or Qara but the original letter is ق which is properly Q not K. Also because these Karai and Qarai and even their self-designation Qarailar are also the names of the cities they live in it seemed best to clarify with something after like Qarai (People) but since there may be more tribes with similar names in other nations I thought the simplest most succinct qualifier was Qarai Turks. Are there any objections to this? I would like to ask User:Dbachmann's opinion in particular as you have worked a lot on this page before I start correcting the redirects now. Many thanks YuHuw (talk) 13:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I finished updating the links and also added some redirects with variant spellings of the name in the hopes that people researching the topic will find this page and contribute. YuHuw (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Deserving of mention?

I have been asking around and found some interesting subjects relevant to the Qarai topic (which I have found can also be pronounced "Gharaei". Ishaq Khan Qarai - third from left Abdolhossein Khan Qarai, first on right - a village elder in Shadmehr Jafar Qoli Mirza Qajar, bottom row second from right - a Qajar prince and grandson of Ishaq Khan Qarai Qahraman Mirza Qajar/Ghahreman Mirza Ghajar - a Qajar prince and grandson of Ishaq Khan Qarai Foroogh Azarakhshi (1881-1963) - Founder of Foroogh School in Mashhad, a daughter of Qahraman Mirza Mohammad Reza Ghahreman - Founder of Shadmehr and descendant of Qahraman Mirza Mohammad Ghahreman - famous poet and a descendant of Qahraman Mirza Zolfaghar Khan Qarai known as Emadolmamalek Hossein Khan Qarai son of Zolfaghar Khan Mohammad Khan Qarai son of Zolfaghar Khan The home of Sultan Ali Khan Qarai known as Haji Khan Yavar in Rashtkhar Shapshal must have got his ideas about Turkic Karaites while he was working for the Qajar Shahs. YuHuw (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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