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| Are you perhaps a former disinfranchasied disgruntled member, or current member of the WorldWide Church of God, known now by the name Grace Communion? Since you're a West Coast Californian, and thier formerly based in Pasadena, CA., I'm curious because you seem obsessed with personally controlling the content of this TV show Misplaced Pages page. And, are you aka WerldWayd and aka C.Fred? Very odd Barek, as you appear to have hijacked this article and you removed well sourced Senator Dole preservation section from this page, and from the Ted Armstrong Misplaced Pages page too. Very odd. Removing an entire sourced section makes it appear you feel somehow threatened by that fact, and well sorced content. Your answers and personal feelings aside, removing the section does not change the fact this show is preserved into the National Archives of the United States Library of Congress television and film division. The holdings run from 1972 through 1994. Your edit is wrong as you have it dated from '72 to '86. Bob Dole put the tapes in the library, I verified it with his secretary by phone. No Sunday preachers or other churches programs are in the Congress Library Archives. No Joel Osteen, no Billy Graham, no Pat Robertson, no John Hagee, no Joe Tkach Junior, no TBN shows, or other Sunday church leaders tv programs are stored in the U.S. Archives. Only Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad Herbert W. Armstrong hosting THE WORLD TOMORROW. And, Garner Ted Aukerman, Robert Downey, Jr's cousin, found the Garner Ted Armstrong World Tomorrow tapes Bob Dole preserved into the archive collection, by a fluke? As Mr. Spock would say, "Fascinating". You spend a great deal of time editing Misplaced Pages content and improving articles. Even on a national Holiday like Labor Day you were so busy editing Misplaced Pages. A day most take a break from working for a little R&R. But, in all these years of watching and editing this World Tomorrow page, you have not bother to included the program's title card photo like the title card photo uploaded for the Assange World Tomorrow Misplaced Pages page. "Odd, indeed". ] (]) 07:34, 7 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud | Are you perhaps a former disinfranchasied disgruntled member, or current member of the WorldWide Church of God, known now by the name Grace Communion? Since you're a West Coast Californian, and thier formerly based in Pasadena, CA., I'm curious because you seem obsessed with personally controlling the content of this TV show Misplaced Pages page. And, are you aka WerldWayd and aka C.Fred? Very odd Barek, as you appear to have hijacked this article and you removed well sourced Senator Dole preservation section from this page, and from the Ted Armstrong Misplaced Pages page too. Very odd. Removing an entire sourced section makes it appear you feel somehow threatened by that fact, and well sorced content. Your answers and personal feelings aside, removing the section does not change the fact this show is preserved into the National Archives of the United States Library of Congress television and film division. The holdings run from 1972 through 1994. Your edit is wrong as you have it dated from '72 to '86. Bob Dole put the tapes in the library, I verified it with his secretary by phone. No Sunday preachers or other churches programs are in the Congress Library Archives. No Joel Osteen, no Billy Graham, no Pat Robertson, no John Hagee, no Joe Tkach Junior, no TBN shows, or other Sunday church leaders tv programs are stored in the U.S. Archives. Only Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad Herbert W. Armstrong hosting THE WORLD TOMORROW. And, Garner Ted Aukerman, Robert Downey, Jr's cousin, found the Garner Ted Armstrong World Tomorrow tapes Bob Dole preserved into the archive collection, by a fluke? As Mr. Spock would say, "Fascinating". You spend a great deal of time editing Misplaced Pages content and improving articles. Even on a national Holiday like Labor Day you were so busy editing Misplaced Pages. A day most take a break from working for a little R&R. But, in all these years of watching and editing this World Tomorrow page, you have not bother to included the program's title card photo like the title card photo uploaded for the Assange World Tomorrow Misplaced Pages page. "Odd, indeed". ] (]) 07:34, 7 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud | ||
| :I do not now, nor have I ever lived in California (check a map, multiple US states exist on the west coast). I am not now, nor have I ever been associated with any of the churches you mentioned. I am not {{user|Werldwayd}} nor am I {{user|C.Fred}} - as I stated elsewhere, my one and only alternate account is {{user|Barek-public}}, which is clearly linked to my account (I'll clarify it even further on my user page later today), and which has not been needed nor used since 2013, as it only exists for use when I login via a public computer so as to not use my admin password on a computer I do not control. | |||
| :The well sourced fact that the episodes are archived in the Library of Congress has never been removed from the article, and to this day is still stated in the "]" section of the article - although according to the Library of Congress website those recordings cover the period "from 1978 to 1983". - so the article does need to be updated to match the existing source. | |||
| :As has been pointed out in the past discussions - what are needed are ] - not message board posts, not discussion forums, but sources that meet the criteria of being a reliable source under Misplaced Pages guidelines. Ignoring Misplaced Pages site policy and guidelines and edit warring in direct defiance of those policies and guidelines is what has resulted in multiple editors undoing those edits, as well as the series of account blocks and page protections. | |||
| :If you disagree with how others interpret the reliable sourcing guideline, you have been pointed to the ]. In the past, other IPs have also been directed to review the available resources for ]. If you believe you have evidence to support a claim of sockpuppetry, you have been pointed to make a report at ]. If all you wish to do is to rant about imagined conspiracies, take it elsewhere - all future such nonsensical rants will be removed from this talk page. --- ] <small>(] • ])</small> - 17:12, 7 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
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Patrick.net edits
Thank you for your message. I hear what you're saying. It's tough. I actually think it would be easier to do a Patrick Killelea page than a Patrick.net page... But I'm helping out as best I can with the material he gave me and the goal he has. One of the things I noticed is that a couple of threads by contributors on Patrick.net got picked up by Business Insider. So, I'm thinking that speaks to the kinds of quality threads you can find on the site, adding another dimension to the article that's about the site rather than Patrick, himself. And one is about general finance, which shows how the site has evolved into a broader forum than just a housing forum.
I was also thinking that Patrick was interviewed several times on the whole rent-vs-buy calculation during the housing bubble, all refer to his crux of the message on the original site. He also has a book he wrote as a culmination of all the ideas that triggered Patrick.net. The book is called "The Housing Trap." It's a well written book. But, Patrick is the author. It has 42 reviews on Amazon. Would these be appropriate things to add to the Housing Bubble page? It would give us a reference back to the site's page that's relevant... Certainly relevant to Patrick... I just have to tie it to Patrick.net (it appears on the cover).
I also wanted to thank you for reverting some of the edits. PatNet attracts all kinds, if you know what I mean. I was so relieved when you caught it. If it continues to be a problem, or you start feeling uncomfortable, for example, and you need additional background, I'm happy to explain on a more private channel, if such a thing exists on the Wiki platform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susannny (talk • contribs) 23:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Also, the articles I was suggesting for the housing bubble refer to Patrick.net as a site that an alternative news site "mainstream media not giving it to you straight," and a most popular housing bubble destination. To quote: He booted up his site, started to warn people there was a big bubble blowing in real estate and predicted prices could fall by 50%. Up until the bubble burst, many people thought he was nuts. Of course, we all know now he’s “crazy like a fox!” History has proven him spot on. His site (Patrick.net) gets more than 20,000 visitors a day. Recently, he put out another warning–telling people to rent and hold off buying. If you thought now is the time to buy real estate, you better wait and read this excellent article below first. –Greg Hunter— USA Watch Dog — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susannny (talk • contribs) 23:19, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
- Given the developing consensus from other editors on the AfD discussion page; the challenge is to find a reference source that discusses the site - not referencing to it. Unfortunately, the majority of the articles out there are about Patrick Killelea himself. In some ways, this would make it easier to work towards an article about the person; but, to do that has its own challenges. The Misplaced Pages guideline for biographies of living persons (WP:BLP) are some of the most strict in terms of needing references for information about the subject; and then there are slightly different notability guidelines at WP:Notability (people) which would need to be met. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:55, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Range block
FWIW, I've blocked the IPv6 range that your alternate page harasser has access to, i.e. 2001:E68:6C0A:D00:0:0:0:0/64. I know they have IPv4's as well but still. Bishonen | talk 14:40, 30 August 2016 (UTC).
- Thanks! No idea what set them off, although I don't particularly care either. Their attempts to harass haven't been a big deal to me - if anything, it just feeds my wiki-addiction by giving me something to do when I log on during a break from real-world activities. Although, I was considering looking into seeing if it's within Bot policy to periodically reset that page automatically. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
- Really? That's an interesting thought. I've never heard of such a thing, but then bots are one of my many areas of incompetence. Bishonen | talk 16:20, 30 August 2016 (UTC).
- I don't have my own bot, so I would need to see if an existing bot owner has one where such a function would be within scope. I would envision it similar to the periodic reset of the sandbox page, just with a longer interval (maybe once a week rather than multiple times a day). Alternately, if an archival bot can be tweaked to reset the page, that could work too. Not sure either exists, I just haven't gotten around to looking yet - has seemed like too much effort, and other interests always seem to take precedence.
- I also thought about looking into an edit filter; but as my talk page is the only one involved, I hadn't wanted to request one of those yet either. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
- Really? That's an interesting thought. I've never heard of such a thing, but then bots are one of my many areas of incompetence. Bishonen | talk 16:20, 30 August 2016 (UTC).
Sock puppetry/temporaryfencefordogs.com
I have reported three users: Nelson8708000, Pravaskuwar and Fradshing, as socks since all three have only been adding links to temporaryfencefordogs.com some of which you have reverted. Dan D. Ric (talk) 08:32, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for spotting the socks - I only recall being aware of Fradshing. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:25, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
World Tomorrow
Moved to Talk:The World Tomorrow (radio and television) § Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2016
Church affiliation
Are you perhaps a former disinfranchasied disgruntled member, or current member of the WorldWide Church of God, known now by the name Grace Communion? Since you're a West Coast Californian, and thier formerly based in Pasadena, CA., I'm curious because you seem obsessed with personally controlling the content of this TV show Misplaced Pages page. And, are you aka WerldWayd and aka C.Fred? Very odd Barek, as you appear to have hijacked this article and you removed well sourced Senator Dole preservation section from this page, and from the Ted Armstrong Misplaced Pages page too. Very odd. Removing an entire sourced section makes it appear you feel somehow threatened by that fact, and well sorced content. Your answers and personal feelings aside, removing the section does not change the fact this show is preserved into the National Archives of the United States Library of Congress television and film division. The holdings run from 1972 through 1994. Your edit is wrong as you have it dated from '72 to '86. Bob Dole put the tapes in the library, I verified it with his secretary by phone. No Sunday preachers or other churches programs are in the Congress Library Archives. No Joel Osteen, no Billy Graham, no Pat Robertson, no John Hagee, no Joe Tkach Junior, no TBN shows, or other Sunday church leaders tv programs are stored in the U.S. Archives. Only Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad Herbert W. Armstrong hosting THE WORLD TOMORROW. And, Garner Ted Aukerman, Robert Downey, Jr's cousin, found the Garner Ted Armstrong World Tomorrow tapes Bob Dole preserved into the archive collection, by a fluke? As Mr. Spock would say, "Fascinating". You spend a great deal of time editing Misplaced Pages content and improving articles. Even on a national Holiday like Labor Day you were so busy editing Misplaced Pages. A day most take a break from working for a little R&R. But, in all these years of watching and editing this World Tomorrow page, you have not bother to included the program's title card photo like the title card photo uploaded for the Assange World Tomorrow Misplaced Pages page. "Odd, indeed". FastNLoud (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud
- I do not now, nor have I ever lived in California (check a map, multiple US states exist on the west coast). I am not now, nor have I ever been associated with any of the churches you mentioned. I am not Werldwayd (talk · contribs) nor am I C.Fred (talk · contribs) - as I stated elsewhere, my one and only alternate account is Barek-public (talk · contribs), which is clearly linked to my account (I'll clarify it even further on my user page later today), and which has not been needed nor used since 2013, as it only exists for use when I login via a public computer so as to not use my admin password on a computer I do not control.
- The well sourced fact that the episodes are archived in the Library of Congress has never been removed from the article, and to this day is still stated in the "Archived episodes" section of the article - although according to the Library of Congress website those recordings cover the period "from 1978 to 1983". - so the article does need to be updated to match the existing source.
- As has been pointed out in the past discussions - what are needed are reliable sources - not message board posts, not discussion forums, but sources that meet the criteria of being a reliable source under Misplaced Pages guidelines. Ignoring Misplaced Pages site policy and guidelines and edit warring in direct defiance of those policies and guidelines is what has resulted in multiple editors undoing those edits, as well as the series of account blocks and page protections.
- If you disagree with how others interpret the reliable sourcing guideline, you have been pointed to the reliable source noticeboard. In the past, other IPs have also been directed to review the available resources for dispute resolution. If you believe you have evidence to support a claim of sockpuppetry, you have been pointed to make a report at sockpuppet investigations. If all you wish to do is to rant about imagined conspiracies, take it elsewhere - all future such nonsensical rants will be removed from this talk page. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:12, 7 September 2016 (UTC)