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Overlinking in Dunoon

Please read WP:OVERLINKING. You have made far too many links in this article, including many links to disambiguation pages such as Victorian, first and built. Just because an article or a disambiguation page exists for a word, there is not necessarily a reason to link to it: if a reader does not understand the word "first", they are not going to be helped by landing on a disambiguation page. Links should only be made where reading the article you're about to link to would help someone understand the article you are linking from.

We also never link to dates such as 1835 in English Misplaced Pages, except in very special circumstances.

I was tempted to revert your entire recent batch of edits as the simplest way to clean up all this overlinking, but I see you made some useful changes too. Please now go through your work and remove all links to dates, disambiguation pages, common words, terms already linked (eg Caledonian MacBrayne needs only to be linked once, or at most once per section, not three times in one paragraph), and other unnecessary links. Thanks.

There is a very helpful "gadget" which will make links to disambiguation pages appear in orange so you can spot them and improve them: go to "Preferences", "Gadgets" and look under "Appearance". I find it very useful.

There is a lot to learn about editing Misplaced Pages, but it's an interesting journey. Happy Editing. PamD 14:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Cowal Golf Club for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cowal Golf Club is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cowal Golf Club until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 05:35, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Scottish Lowlands

Can you stop changing references of Scotland to Scottish Lowlands and revert those you have already done? These are not WP:MINOR edits and they are not an improvement. Scottish Lowlands is not and admin unit and would not appear in a given address. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:44, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I see you are making similar changes regarding Scotland and Scottish Highlands. This is similarly unhelpful, Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:34, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

The different definitions of Highland and Lowland Scotland is widely used in Scotland. So if these terms are not listed, used by Misplaced Pages, they should be added. (Springchickensoup (talk) 12:52, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

No they are not in reference to addresses. Stop and revert. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

--Springchickensoup (talk) 13:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Totally Disagree!!

--Springchickensoup (talk) 13:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Highland Scotland is used as a postal area.. AS I said before these terms need adding as a Admin Unit. (Springchickensoup (talk) 12:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

It is already listed in the " Scottish Highlands" Article.

Courier delivery Although most of the Highlands is geographically on the British mainland, it is somewhat less accessible than the rest of Britain; thus most UK couriers categorise it separately, alongside Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, and other offshore islands. They thus charge additional fees for delivery to the Highlands, or exclude the area entirely. Whilst the physical remoteness from the largest population centres inevitably leads to higher transit cost, there is confusion and consternation over the scale of the fees charged and the effectiveness of their communication, and the use of the word Mainland in their justification. Since the charges are often based on postcode areas, many far less remote areas, including some which are traditionally considered part of the lowlands, are also subject to these charges. Royal Mail is the only delivery network bound by a Universal Service Obligation to charge a uniform tariff across the UK. This, however, applies only to mail items and not larger packages which are dealt with by its Parcelforce division.

(Springchickensoup (talk) 13:02, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

I have no idea what relevance this has to anything. Will you stop? You are clearly well meaning and enthusiastic but having had a look at your edits in general they are often problematic, lacking in notability or plain wrong and almost none of them are minor. Please take heed. I don't want to hurt your feelings but your edits, in the prolific quantity that they are, are potentially sufficiently damaging that I feel compelled to notify Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Scotland. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:28, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

You carry on mate!

No wonder Misplaced Pages is plainly wrong in many instances. Publicising wrong information.

(Springchickensoup (talk) 13:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

Misplaced Pages is source of information. If something as basic as Highland and Lowland Scotland is not referenced by Misplaced Pages. Then Misplaced Pages is not worth the storage it uses in the cloud. (Springchickensoup (talk) 14:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

No, it's superfluous in a "...Great Britain, UK, Europe, Eurasia, The World, The Solar System, Milky Way, Universe" fashion, and erases the more relevant noting of being in Scotland. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

That is your OPINION, Not factual! (Springchickensoup (talk) 14:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

I've been asked to have a look at this debate. The problem I have with this edit is that I wouldn't personally consider Argyllshire to be in the Highlands; for me it's kind of near the Central Belt, while the Highlands are everything north and west of the Great Glen. However, having something like Loch Ken is reasonable to describe as being in the Scottish Lowlands, if everyone else agrees. However, since it's clear that nobody is agreeing here, we have to get a consensus on what to do, which means somebody's not going to get their preferred version. In general terms, I prefer the version that nobody is going to argue over, however even counties can be contentious (is Applecross in "Highland", "Ross-shire" or "Ross and Cromatry"?), so we just have to toss the metaphorical coin and see which way it ends up facing, which means somebody is going to lose. After all, was there not a big debate in Scotland not long ago where over 1.5 million people didn't get the result they wanted? Ritchie333 16:09, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

That the pigeonholing of individual places in one or other category is often going to be contentious is by the by - my issue is with the desirability of this pigeonholing in the first place, particularly with the additional aspect of a highly pertinent classification being removed in the process, essentially per Ghmyrtle below. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

What is most important is that the country where the feature is located - that is, Scotland - is named in the opening sentence. Remember, we have an international readership. We need accuracy, clarity and simplicity in the opening description, and that cannot be achieved if we give precedence to arbitrary and ill-defined subnational areas like "Highlands" and "Lowlands". Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:20, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

If you and the consensus is that Argyllshire is NOT in the Scottish Highlands, you just prove my point. Argyllshire is definitely in the Highlands.

If this is the standard of Misplaced Pages, then there is no hope of Misplaced Pages being accurate. (Springchickensoup (talk) 18:08, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

Per above, where Argyllshire, etc., is is not the point being made. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:21, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Why is Ritchie333, bringing the Scottish referendum into this? (Springchickensoup (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

There is absolutely no point of editing Misplaced Pages if this is the standard of revision! (Springchickensoup (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

As I understand it Scotland decided to stay in the UK, so going by your logic (Ghmyrtle) the country should be United Kingdom... as Scotland is a Region of the United Kingdom!

(Springchickensoup (talk) 18:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

Scotland is a country. Although these guidelines apply to settlements, the basic principles of how to write articles cover many geographical features as well. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Ghmyrtle

That is a fudge, the bending of rules to suite. Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom and has been since the Union of 1st May 1707. Why should the UK be listed differently than the United States of America? (Springchickensoup (talk) 09:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC))

Because the UK comprises four countries, and the USA is just one. Among the other points you could learn here is how to indent your comments better. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:32, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

That is a misconception that has been perpetuated for a long time. That is why the SNP thinks it is a member of the EU, when in fact it has never joined, the UK is the member of the EU. Hence a whole lot of confusion and mayhem. (Springchickensoup (talk) 09:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC))

A misconception that Misplaced Pages is itself perpetuating. (Springchickensoup (talk) 15:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC))

Well I picked the referendum because it's a very well known example of people not getting what they wanted and managing it! I'm going to duck out of this conversation now and advise you to read WP:OWB point 47, and to ask you to check our policy on edit-warring before running through any more geography articles. Ritchie333 19:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

re Edit-warring, I am not warring unlike some posting on this page! (Springchickensoup (talk) 15:14, 30 November 2016 (UTC))

In my view Scottish Highlands and Scottish Lowlands still reference Scotland, these areas have a long differing history and are well known in Scotland, so why dumb down the Article? If international users are looking at the Scotland Article, presumably they are looking for information on Scotland, this is information on Scotland. These two sub-divisions of Scotland are both still Scotland.

(Springchickensoup (talk) 19:47, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

I don't think Scottish Highlands and Scottish Lowlands are that well understood. There are variety of different definitions for Highlands, so for many places it is debatable whether they are in the Highlands or not. Parts of Argyll are clearly in the highlands, other parts may not be. Also the Highlands cover a vast area, its usually helpful to a bit more specific. eg say "east highlands" or "north-west highlands" instead of just "Scottish Highlands". And it is about readability - you claim to be improving this, but many of your edits have made readability worse. "Scottish Highlands" is an ugly phrase, often better to say "Highlands of Scotland". --Fuaran buidhe (talk) 13:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Dunoon (disambiguation)

A tag has been placed on Dunoon (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section G6 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either

• disambiguates two or fewer extant Misplaced Pages pages and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic); or
• disambiguates no (zero) extant Misplaced Pages pages, regardless of its title.

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As you will have seen, I changed my mind and turned it into a proper disambiguation page - unfortunately the version you had created omitted most of the appropriate entries and included a lot of what are called Partial Title Matches, which have no place on a dab page unless the thing concerned is likely to be known simply as "Dunoon". PamD 10:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

You're being talked about ...

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scotland#Enthusiastic.2C_prolific_editor.2C_but.... PamD 10:18, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

My bad, I should have pinged you. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:05, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

It won't be the first time, or the last i'm sure. (Springchickensoup (talk) 09:08, 10 December 2016 (UTC))

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