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Spoiler in the intro?

I think it's reasonable to call "Wortzik intended to rob the bank so he would have the money to pay for his "wife" Leon Shermer's sexual reassignment surgery" a spoiler. This information is not revealed until midway through the movie and it is not at all expected. Any objections to removing it from the intro? Someone who hadn't seen the movie and read that intro would have a surprise twist of the film ruined for them. Moncrief 18:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That seems reasonable. No reason to reveal non-obvious plot details in the lead. I'll do it right now. Staxringold 20:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

GA Nomination

Image:LFChaseP1975.jpg is the copyright on this correct, the original uploader never actually clarified the question about the copyright Gnangarra 11:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, User:Brooklynl asserted to me in an email (I emailed him a while ago) that he himself took that photo (and was a general witness to the events of the actual theft). He uploaded it, so if he took that photo he can certainly assert the CC liscense. Staxringold _talk 13:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I accept that but the discussions between yourself and Brooklynl on talk pages dont clarify that could put a copy on the image page Gnangarra

GA Promotion

Congratulations to the editors of this article in avchieving GA status Gnangarra 12:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

FA candidacy.

I would love to see this as a Featured Article. How can I help? - Zepheus 19:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

If you check out the FAC page (either on WP:FAC or through the template up above) people have lodged various stylistic and technical issues with the article which, if you have the time, you could help out with. Thanks for the interest! Staxringold _talk 13:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Why is this movie 4/5 stars? How is that decided? If it goes by the IMDb rating that it's next to (8.0/10), then essentially no movie would get 5 stars. Even The Godfather, which I think is 9/10, would only get 4.5 stars out of 5. My personal opinion is that this movie is at least 4.5 stars, if not 5 (which usually refers to a classic such as this movie). - Zepheus 17:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The star rating is based purely on the IMDb voting. Personal opinion can't enter into an encyclopedia (though here I would definetly agree with you). Staxringold _talk 22:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Personal opinion aside, my statement still stands: dividing IMDb ratings in half to find the number of stars seems an inappropriate way to do it. Even the highest rated movies, such as Godfather and Shawshank Redemption would get only 4.5 stars. It makes no sense to me to have a 5 star system where no movies receive 5 stars. - Zepheus 22:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The stars don't really mean anything, they are just a representation of the actual vote count in the mouseover. You couldn't really fit 10 readable stars in that space. Staxringold _talk 23:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

If they don't mean anything, then why are they even there? - Zepheus 23:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Because it is the standard used, and provides a quick visual. Also, many movie reviews use the 5 star system, making this a more standard version for some people. Staxringold _talk 23:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Wife?

I'm confused as to why the word "wife" is used in reference to Leon Shermer all the way through the article. Obviously he's not Sonny's legal wife and, as the film and article tell, he already has a wife and kids. Would it not be better to refer to him as Sonny's lover, or some other term that explicitly connotes the homosexual nature of their relationship? -- Hux 07:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• No, because he is universally referred to by Sonny, his heterosexual wife, and Detective Moretti as his wife. Staxringold _talk 09:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I understand that. My point is to do with the article's utility: those parts of the article are confusing to anyone who has not already seen the film. I think it needs some cleaning up but I'm not sure how! -- Hux 17:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't come up that often in the article. Not including the cast list, the word "wife" is only mentioned three times. I recommend changing "his wife's sex-change operation" to "his wife Leon's sex-change operation." (italics for demonstration only)- Zepheus (ツィフィアス) 18:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Done, good idea. Staxringold _talk 18:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but you changed the page to say "wife Sonny's" instead of "wife Leon's." I've gone ahead and changed it. I'm assuming it was just a typo (or brainfart, as is the term). - Zepheus (ツィフィアス) 21:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Hah! Brainfart, definetly. Staxringold _talk 00:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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