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For personal reasons I have significantly reduced my participation on Misplaced Pages. To contact me for anything requiring a response please send an email. For anyne who is interested, Wikibreaks are not unusual for editors and admins. I took a 2 month break in early 2012, and a 3 month break in early 2014. I took a 2 month break from adminship in early 2016.

A beer for you!

Have one on me. Worcester, meet Leyton. Leyton, meet Worcester  :) Hope all's well. —SerialNumber54129 14:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	So, here it is Kudpung, the Writer's Barnstar, for your significant recent work in writing for and publishing the The Signpost. Your initiative to keep this reader's resource active is appreciated. I also enjoyed your writing style and candor in the pieces I read. Thanks again for your proactive approach on Misplaced Pages. North America 08:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Northamerica1000, thank you for the kind words. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

A(nother) barnstar for you!

		The Signpost Barnstar
		For all your work on the WP:Signpost, and helping to keep it afloat. I'm really inconsistent, and a pretty awful writer, but I hope to be contributing some to the 'Post for a long time, so again, thanks for your work. It's been a pleasure working with you. Till next time — Eddie891 Work 23:09, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Eddie891, thank you too, for the kind words. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Vastly inappropriate shutdown of your voice

I found this vastly inappropriate and disturbing. Since when is pre-emptive muzzling of a response to an accusation of wrongdoing an appropriate action with the admin toolset? ☆ Bri (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I find it equally as disturbing and will be considering requesting community feedback as it is not a one off. Alex Shih (talk) 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

It's not, Bri but it is a classic example of admins not being allowed to defend themselves when trolled, harassed, attacked, and finally bullied by other admins and totally falsely accused of misogyny. I made a fully explanatory email and was careful that it was polite in spite of being subjected to harassment. The warning is out of order and clearly oversteps admin authority, I have not made a PA against anyone - I'm too intelligent and careful in this totally oversensitive environment of Misplaced Pages, and I have not retired or resigned under any clouds whatsoever. FWIW, I have developed a debilitating age related ailment forcing me to spend half my time on my back and what's left of it training my staff to take over running my company. I'll not be responding to those wild insinuations, because I'm not going to have my immaculate block log and 10 years of clean dedication to this project sullied on the whim of an admin who hasn't even cared to understand what's going on, even if a more friendly admin has the good grace to unblock. There are many, many people out there who know me personally and know I'm not an idiot. Alex, thanks for your support, but escalating further won't help because I haven't the energy to defend myself and the peanut gallery would be calling for my head - as you know, they always do where an admin is involved. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:39, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Kudpung, this is with love and warmest wishes for all the work you've continuously done here. I'm sorry for what you've had/have to go through on a daily basis. I've known TNT as such a sensible admin and am sure they realize the misstep they've taken here. But this message is not for them, it's for you. Please take care of your health and sidestep the rampage in the way you only know you can. Love again, Lourdes 01:15, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

ANI discussion

I have started a discussion at WP:ANI#Personal attacks, a block and an unblock: review requested. Fram (talk) 05:50, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Fram, What admin or other action you may have taken was in the very best of good faith. Of that I am wholly convinced, whether or not it was in the best interest of escalation or de-escalation., as I mentioned to Alex Shih above. Now that it's very public we'll all have to let the community decide. There is a lot I would like to offer to the discussion, because from one person's perspective it's going to be one sided, but it's Friday evening and I can't and won't be logging in to Misplaced Pages over the weekend, besides which, under the threat of a block, I've been effectively muzzled by a steward from saying anything - even if it is debatable that that warning were appropriate or justified, or even of itself a PA.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

A thanks

I was compelled to drop by and drop a barnstar after catching up on this month's Signpost, but it looks like Northamerica1000 and Eddie891 have beaten me to it. Due to other commitments, I have only been sporadically involved in the project as of late, and the Signpost has proved invaluable in my efforts to keep up with… well, the news. I've been appreciating your contributions from afar for many years and just wanted to put my thanks in words. Though I sometimes don't agree with some of your stances or decisions, I'd like to recognize the immense amount of energy you've put into keeping the paper going. All the best, Airplaneman ✈ 15:29, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

thank you for everything

Hi. We didnt interact directly much, but your presence and work was all around. You, and your work meant a lot to me. When I am not on computer, I like to go back, through the history of enwiki. Like way back. We once even talked about the first ever WP:300 (that was like 10 years ago), remember? My point is, there were many occassions when/where I saw your contributions and/or activity. You are a very important contributor to enwiki. I hope everything is fine in your personal life, and that you remain active here; even if less active than usual. Again, i hope everything is fine, and i hope all the best to you. Again, thanks for everything, —usernamekiran(talk) 01:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• I second this ^. Your contributions are definitely valued and I hope to see you around. Thank you for all you have done for Misplaced Pages. --TheSandDoctor 17:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran and TheSandDoctor:, Thank you both for the kind words. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:46, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• I also wanted to thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages (esp. the Signpost) and for the advice you gave me the last few times I considered running for adminship. I always found your advice very insightful and helpful. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 16:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Fair winds and following seas, Kudpung. We'll sorely miss your tireless commitment to Misplaced Pages. Please take care of your health, and I wish you much improvement on that score. Hope to see you around. Aloha ... Softlavender (talk) 02:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

With all best wishes

Arriving here by a very roundabout route, I see some messages that suggest you may not be well. My very best wishes for a full and speedy recovery. Warm regards. KJP1 (talk) 17:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Can I add my support too- I was looking forward to meeting up one day in the distant future- maybe not, but I will keep on putting out an extra coffee cup- just in case.--ClemRutter (talk) 08:18, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

My thoughts and prayers are with you as well! I sincerely wish you the very best.--John Cline (talk) 09:12, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 October 2018

See also: Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-01/From_the_editor. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Jake Mason

Many years ago you salted Jake Mason after multiple speedy deletions of a TV producer. I have created a page for a notable musician who has the same name. The two people appear unconnected. Could you possibly unsalt this title so I can mave Jake Mason (musician) there as the primary topic. Thanks. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Kudpung can't help at the moment, but let me have a look. Worm(talk) 13:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Duffbeerforme:, I've removed the salting, it's been a while so hopefully it will be ok. I've looked at the article and the notability seems borderline to me, you might want to see if you can find a few more sources! Worm(talk) 13:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Duffbeerforme and Worm That Turned:,, I am currently on Wikileave and do not have access to admin tools. . I would suggest however, that you find several more substantial references from truly in-depth sources. The one you have provided appears to be basically an interview and a promotion for a release. The claim to an award nomination also does not appear to be covered. As a BLP it's likely to be slated for deletion when it goes to mainspace even though you are autopatrolled. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Primary source for nomination . A good independent source will soon follow and will be added to the article. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:45, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. There seems to be 2-3 sources anticipating his solo career, so I'm sure there's an article here. As Kudpung points out, it's likely to end up as a plausible deletion, but I'm sure you can manage that. As for Kudpung, hope you're well. Feel free to drop me a line :) Worm(talk) 13:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

I have pinged you in an ANI thread

Hi Kudpung, I hope this finds you in good spirits. I realize that you are no longer very active on Misplaced Pages, and that you have resigned as an administrator, however I have pinged you in an ANI thread as you had participated in the two previous threads about the same issue. The current thread is here (unless it has been archived by the time you see this message): WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Francis_Schonken STILL edit-warring on issue he was just blocked six weeks for. -- Softlavender (talk) 06:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Lehrter Strasse

Seit langem, habe ich mich immer beabsichtigt , einen en.Wiki-Artikel für diese berühmte Straße in BLN zu schaffen, wo ich einst einer ihrer Bewohner war, in der Nähe der Propellerkneipe (eigentlich eine privat Wohnung in Wilmersdorf), Oscars Stahlfabrik, Mehlwums Lagerhaus für Kaugummis, der Kulturzentrum, der COMA Folterkammer, und der Lehrtergefãngnis. Wenn jemand mich kontaktieren möchte, um bei diesem Projekt zu helfen, wäre ich sehr dankbar. Bitte erstellen Sie einen Misplaced Pages-Account entweder auf en.Wiki oder de.Wiki, wenn Sie keinen haben, dann sende mir per Misplaced Pages email dein Benutzername mit, damit wir E-Mails austauschen können. Danke vielmals im voraus. (Benutzer mit der BLN IP-Nummer bitte hier klicken).

I have always been intending to create an en.Wiki article for this famous street in BLN where I was once one of its residents near the Propeller Bar (actually a private flat in Wilmersdorf), Oscar's steel factory, Mehlwum's chewing gum warehouse, the culture centre, and the COMA torture chamber and the prison. If any one would like to contact me to help with this project, I would be much obliged. Please create a Misplaced Pages account if you do not have one so that we can exchange emails. Many thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:56, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Hello Kudpung:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – —usernamekiran(talk) 06:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

I am glad you are not completely gone from wikipedia. —usernamekiran(talk) 06:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

October 2018

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Orders of magnitude (angle). In addition, your comment about what Eli355 did or didn't do at an RfA is completely inappropriate as to whether an article should be kept or not; please strike or remove it. Thank you. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 12:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Are you aware of the English expression 'People who live in glass houses...' ? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

You're committing a tu quoque fallacy. You're completely ignoring the substance of my concern by pointing out a prior bad action of myself – one which isn't even all that parallel. Perhaps you would agree to a 24-hour block as I had, then? –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't look like you "agreed" to a block. Looks like FlightTime reported you at ANI: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive988#Personal attacks, and then Cullen328 blocked you, stating "I have blocked the editor for 24 hours and made it clear that this behavior is unacceptable. I certainly hope that it does not resume." -- Softlavender (talk) 13:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

@Softlavender: Thanks for pinging people that really don't need to weigh in on the original matter here. The point was that Kudpung responded to me saying "You did this and it was bad" with "Well you once did something, too, and got blocked for it." Since that was something which I was blocked for, I facetiously suggested that Kudpung accept a block as well in an attempt to point out that he's not responding appropriately. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Again, it doesn't look like you "accepted" a block a few months ago, you were issued one for repeated personal attacks and insisting the target deserved it, and now you are templating a long-term well-respected regular and admin (recently resigned). Perhaps those editors would like to weigh in on this. Softlavender (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I never said I accepted one. Here, "...as I had" means that I had the block, as in "...as I had issued to me", not "...as I had accepted". This seems clear since people (almost?) never just accept blocks on their own. And if Her Royal Highness the Queen of France had behaved so poorly in regards to WP:AGF, I would have templated her too. If you think Kudpung can't respond himself and needs your help, then please respond to the substance of the complaint, and not going on about how well-respected he is. For crissakes, this was a clear misstep that I issued a simple caution for, and now you've helped manage to turn it into some big thing that it's really not. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

The difference is, Deacon, that Softlavender, with whom I have also shared differences in the past, is a peer, and is supporting me here, and has some excellent photos of a mountain whose view soares up on the skyline from the bottom of my garden in France. I suggest you take a glass of really smooth Côtes du Ventoux AOC and rethink your Latin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

You're continuing to derail the thread. Please just respond to the complaint and stop acting like a jerk. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)