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	Furthermore, it is written in some kind of broken English.		Furthermore, it is written in some kind of broken English.
	Why does it not instead emphasise the importance of this individual in Croatia's independence, and in leading his nation through war?		Why does it not instead emphasise the importance of this individual in Croatia's independence, and in leading his nation through war?

	== WAR CRIME TRIBUNAL FINDINGS ==

	The section regarding the Bosnian-Croat war with the appropriate war crime allegations and recent development that confirm Tudman's role in genocide and ethnic cleansing needs to be part of this article.

	im not a editor. someone please update.
	http://www.reuters.tv/v/AJ2/2017/11/29/bosnia-war-criminal-swigs-poison-in-court <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	: See page 727 of the verdict, the Appeals Chamber noted that "...none of the crimes committed in furtherance of the CCP were attributed to the JCE through Tudman, Susak, Bobetko, Boban, or the unnamed members of the JCE...", similar to their announcement from July 2016. What they did find (see page 10 of the summary) is that the ''ultimate purpose'' of the JCE, which was "setting up a Croatian entity that reconstituted earlier borders and that facilitated the reunification of the Croatian people", was ''shared'' by Tuđman. In my opinion, that should be under the ICTY section, but not in the lead as he was not found guilty of any war crime. ] (]) 23:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

	Regardless, you can't be posthumously convicted or absolved of war crimes. His death is what "saved" him, just like Milosevic. ] (]) 02:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
	:Incorrect. It all depends on the body that is making the decision. see Martin Bormann, for ex. ] (]) 02:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

	== ''He was the 9th and last President of the Presidency of SR Croatia from May to July 1990.'' ==		== ''He was the 9th and last President of the Presidency of SR Croatia from May to July 1990.'' ==

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Why does the lead section contain a ICTY verdict, as if that is the thing he will be remebered in history? Furthermore, it is written in some kind of broken English. Why does it not instead emphasise the importance of this individual in Croatia's independence, and in leading his nation through war?

He was the 9th and last President of the Presidency of SR Croatia from May to July 1990.

This passage contains a wrong fact. He was the 9th and last President of the Presidency of SR Croatia from May to July 1990. - This fact refers to Stipe Mesić, not Franjo Tuđman. Please correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.45.215.109 (talk) 23:41, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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