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Career

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In August 2019 Sarah Jeong decided to leave the New York Times editorial board. Her relationship continues as a contracted opinion writer for the NYT.

dmode (talk) 16:31, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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1. | via NY Post cite CNN/NYT

X to Y

dmode (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. | abequinn 20:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Article should be updated

Jeong has recently left NYT (Reported by CNN and The Hill).--Mayimbú (talk) 23:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Done. | abequinn 00:21, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Actual language from her tweets

NY Post

FWIW - I read the NYPost source and it is factual and reliable information. It is actually less tabloidy than the other source to The Hill. Reliability is often a matter of particulars on the specific page and the fact being cited. -- GreenC 15:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't think either source is necessary to be honest, the CNN story is enough.Citing (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:44, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

That's just one sentence we can provide readers with more in-depth reporting. -- GreenC 16:50, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, the WP:RS ought to be restored. XavierItzm (talk) 22:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

But it's not necessary, there is already an uncontroversial reliable source. Just the CNN source would suffice.Citing (talk) 02:52, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

See WP:BLPSOURCES: material should not be added to an article when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources. The New York Post is not The New York Times; it's a tabloid. All it does here is recycle the CNN report along with quoting some of the old tweets for the sake of sensationalism. Not usable, in my opinion. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:44, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

No material is being added other than the quote itself. Therefore the cited text from WP:BLPSOURCES does not apply. The citation is due. XavierItzm (talk) 00:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I think the subtext there is we shouldn't use garbage sources in BLPs. The Hill already counts as a reliable source; the New York Post article doesn't add anything except sensationalism. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:37, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Sangdeboeuf: there's no point in using a worse source for something when we have a better source. --JBL (talk) 12:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Concur with Sangdeboeuf and JBL. We need fewer tabloid sources on Misplaced Pages, not more. There's no value add here. Simonm223 (talk) 12:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:RS/P, the Post is considered a marginal source; that generally means it shouldn't be used for statements about a WP:BLP, where higher sourcing requirements apply. If people don't think the existing sources are good enough, then we should omit the sentence entirely. Also, RS/P indicates that The Hill is more reliable than the Post (there's a clear consensus towards the Hill's reliability, not so much for the Post.) If you think The Post should be considered "less tabloidy" than The Hill, you can take it to WP:RSN, but I don't think you'd get anywhere - that seems like a fairly idiosyncratic opinion to me, since The Hill is, well, not a tabloid? --Aquillion (talk) 04:26, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

References

1. Levine, Jon (2019-09-28). "Sarah Jeong leaves the New York Times editorial board". New York Post. Retrieved 2019-09-29.

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