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During a GOCE copy edit I added subheadings to break up the lengthy text in the original New York Post reporting section. This is easily reverted if people feel this is not a good idea. ] (]) 21:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC) During a GOCE copy edit I added subheadings to break up the lengthy text in the original New York Post reporting section. This is easily reverted if people feel this is not a good idea. ] (]) 21:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

== Editorial about this article ==
I do not endorse this editorial. Because it is detailed, I think it could be useful to editors frequenting this talk page. "Misplaced Pages Editors Call NY Post’s Biden Bombshells ‘Russian Interference’" {{nowrap|https://www. breitbart.com/tech/2020/11/02/wikipedia-editors-call-ny-posts-biden-bombshells-russian-interference/}}--] (]) 04:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Q: Why is this presented as a conspiracy theory when the New York Post and others say it is true?
A: The factual reliability of the New York Post has been discussed multiple times by editors, and there is a consensus that it is not a reliable source. The core components of the conspiracy theory have been known to be false since 2016.
Q: Didn't Joe Biden withhold US aid to get Ukrainian President Poroshenko to fire the Prosecutor General?
A: Viktor Shokin was widely regarded as corrupt. There were demands for his removal from within Ukraine as early as June 2015, before any international involvement. The US policy seeking his removal was bipartisan, and the US was joined by the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Shokin was removed after an overwhelming vote of the Ukrainian Parliament in March 2016. Extensive investigations showed no evidence of undue influence.
Q: But wasn't Shokin investigating Burisma?
A: No, the entire problem was that he was not investigating Burisma, or multiple other companies. The investigation of Burisma was on hold, and there is evidence that Shokin was pursuing investigations only when the companies refused to pay bribes.
Q: What about Hunter Biden's laptop?
A: The authenticity of the laptop has not been verified. The provenance of the laptop, its contents, and the circumstances of how the laptop came to public scrutiny is questionable. Repair shop owner Mac Isaac, a Trump supporter who passed the laptop to Giuliani and the FBI, was not able to identify Hunter Biden as the person who gave him the laptop. Mac Isaac’s accounts concerning the laptop have been inconsistent and sometimes contradictory. Hunter Biden is unsure whether the laptop is his, but said there could have been a laptop stolen from him, or that it could be that a laptop of his was hacked. No information purported to come from the laptop has implicated Joe Biden in any misconduct. The FBI acquired the devices via a grand jury subpoena in December of 2019, though it was unclear if the seizure related to an investigation of Hunter Biden. The law enforcement assumption is that the laptop is Biden's.
Q: Wasn't Hunter Biden unqualified for the Burisma job?
A: Hunter Biden had experience as a corporate lawyer, as executive vice president of a bank, and in government. He was hired to advise on corporate governance, although he did not have experience with Ukrainian regulatory affairs. It is not a stretch to assume he was hired in part due to his name, but this does not mean nepotism was involved – he was not hired by a family member.
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I have the link to the video that appears to be missing from this article. I'd be happy to correct the current content. Frankbelieve (talk) 21:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done This was not phrased in the form of a suggestion like "change X to Y". XOR'easter (talk) 00:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

"""Conspiracy""" theory

Hunter Biden subpoena seeks info on Burisma, other entities. The Justice Department’s subpoena to Hunter Biden sought information involving more than two dozen entities to examine some of his foreign business ties, including with Ukrainian gas company Burisma https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/hunter-biden-subpoena-seeks-info-burisma-entities-74693739 88.5.75.126 (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks IP. How many people "familiar with a Justice Department tax investigation of President-elect Joe Biden's son" are going to keep leaking selective information is why we need to be careful what we use. The person, in this case, doesn't explain why such records are being requested so there's no context to the request per their statement that it is "unclear whether Hunter Biden's work at the Ukrainian company is a central part of the federal investigation or whether prosecutors are simply seeking information about all his sources of income in recent years." Koncorde (talk) 22:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Subheadings

During a GOCE copy edit I added subheadings to break up the lengthy text in the original New York Post reporting section. This is easily reverted if people feel this is not a good idea. Twofingered Typist (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Editorial about this article

I do not endorse this editorial. Because it is detailed, I think it could be useful to editors frequenting this talk page. "Misplaced Pages Editors Call NY Post’s Biden Bombshells ‘Russian Interference’" https://www. breitbart.com/tech/2020/11/02/wikipedia-editors-call-ny-posts-biden-bombshells-russian-interference/--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 04:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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