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	*'''Oppose''' It's better to be less ambiguous than more ambiguous. Jackson's ''Dangerous'' might be the most notable album by that title but it doesn't have the iconic reach and history of ''Thriller''. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>]</sup> 21:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' It's better to be less ambiguous than more ambiguous. Jackson's ''Dangerous'' might be the most notable album by that title but it doesn't have the iconic reach and history of ''Thriller''. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>]</sup> 21:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
	*:Not sure why you'd allow for Thriller but not Dangerous. Notability is the only thing that matters here, not iconic reach or history. Dangerous is either the most notable album by that title or it isn't. ] (]) 23:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)		*:Not sure why you'd allow for Thriller but not Dangerous. Notability is the only thing that matters here, not iconic reach or history. Dangerous is either the most notable album by that title or it isn't. ] (]) 23:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Jackson has 3 of the top 20 top selling albums of all time. 'Dangerous' rank at number 20 with about 30 million pure worldwide sales and when taking in account equivalent album sales(EAS), 'Dangerous' sits at about 44.4 million units moved. It also appears to certainly be far more notable than the other 5 subjects as the nominator says. Ambiguity certainly does not apply in a case where notability should in fact be the only thing that matters here.] (]) 03:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Dangerous (Michael Jackson album) → Dangerous (album) – Primary topic by far. One of the best-selling albums of all time and it pulls up overwhelmingly more results than the other five subjects of the same name combined..— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose the intentional introduction of ambiguity. -- Netoholic @ 10:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Support. Appears to be the primary topic, as with Thriller (album). The accusation of "intentional introduction of ambiguity" in the comment above is very strange. Popcornfud (talk) 10:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Primary Topic by definition is something with no ( ) parenthesis after. WP:PRIMARYALBUM does not exist, Thriller is a disruptive sore thumb sticking against the way en.wp works simply to hide the name of Michael Jackson from readers. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose Michaeljacksonism, we already have Dangerous (The Bar Kays album) (1984) Dangerous (Natalie Cole album) (1985), Dangerous (Andy Taylor album) (1990). Dangerous (Bill Hicks album) (1990), Dangerous (Yandel album), 2015, and Dangerous: The Double Album, 2021, by Morgan Wallen In ictu oculi (talk) 11:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Support. Yes, there are other albums with the same name. That doesn't stop this one from being the primary topic. -- Calidum 13:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose per In ictu oculi. If the album was the primary topic, it would simply be at Dangerous. Lugnuts 13:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Comment I'm on the fence about this one, but I urge everyone to read WP:PDAB carefully before making their decision. 162 etc. (talk) 15:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose. Unnecessary ambiguity, given that this isn't the primary topic. I don't support the Thriller setup either, but at the very least none of the other albums called that are especially well known. Here, there is at least one other album that was fairly notable: Dangerous (Yandel album), and a cursory search shows Dangerous: The Double Album is often rendered as simply Dangerous. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Oppose It's better to be less ambiguous than more ambiguous. Jackson's Dangerous might be the most notable album by that title but it doesn't have the iconic reach and history of Thriller. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 21:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Not sure why you'd allow for Thriller but not Dangerous. Notability is the only thing that matters here, not iconic reach or history. Dangerous is either the most notable album by that title or it isn't. Popcornfud (talk) 23:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Support Jackson has 3 of the top 20 top selling albums of all time. 'Dangerous' rank at number 20 with about 30 million pure worldwide sales and when taking in account equivalent album sales(EAS), 'Dangerous' sits at about 44.4 million units moved. It also appears to certainly be far more notable than the other 5 subjects as the nominator says. Ambiguity certainly does not apply in a case where notability should in fact be the only thing that matters here.TruthGuardians (talk) 03:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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