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::: To be fair, this decision was made two years before the creation of that philanthropy article. I just hope whoever adds "philanthropist" there isn't doing so to give some impression of "he's the most generous singer to ever exist" or anything along those lines. ] (] / ]) 22:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
::: To be fair, this decision was made two years before the creation of that philanthropy article. I just hope whoever adds "philanthropist" there isn't doing so to give some impression of "he's the most generous singer to ever exist" or anything along those lines. ] (] / ]) 22:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: I agree. I’m not comfortable with just adding it there myself without a consensus of sorts, but definitely might be worth revisiting.] (]) 22:20, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: I agree. I’m not comfortable with just adding it there myself without a consensus of sorts, but definitely might be worth revisiting.] (]) 22:20, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: Agree. Simply adding philantrophist would be enough. It has its own page so certainly justified and backed up by sources. ] (]) 14:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
::: It's an interesting case, given the subject. Although Jackson's philanthropic ventures are sufficient to support an article, his entertainment career is so legendary that everything else is low on the list of points of notability. Also, there is a quite pronounced tendency in Misplaced Pages to avoid referring to celebrities who engage in philanthropy as philanthropists in article ledes. I don't know whether the world record still stands, though it undoubtedly did for quite a while. ] ] 22:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
::: It's an interesting case, given the subject. Although Jackson's philanthropic ventures are sufficient to support an article, his entertainment career is so legendary that everything else is low on the list of points of notability. Also, there is a quite pronounced tendency in Misplaced Pages to avoid referring to celebrities who engage in philanthropy as philanthropists in article ledes. I don't know whether the world record still stands, though it undoubtedly did for quite a while. ] ] 22:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: Very valid points. That’s why I’m not comfortable with adding it as a description without a consensus, but the does still stand. Also, he’s noted for having donated approximately $500,000,000.00 in his lifetime time (that’s about 1 billion dollars when inflation is factored in). This article is one of my favorites on the topic. ] (]) 00:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: Very valid points. That’s why I’m not comfortable with adding it as a description without a consensus, but the does still stand. Also, he’s noted for having donated approximately $500,000,000.00 in his lifetime time (that’s about 1 billion dollars when inflation is factored in). This article is one of my favorites on the topic. ] (]) 00:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Q1: Should the article mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim? (No.)
A1: No. The article should not mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim. Jackson had not publicly spoken about his exact religion in a number of years and only spoke about spirituality in general terms. The specific reports of a conversion ceremony for Jackson have been denied by his New York lawyer Londell McMillan. They were also denied by Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens and Dawud Wharnsby who were allegedly present at the ceremony. The Michael Jackson memorial service did not involve any Islamic rites. Without further details from his family or representatives, it will not be included in the article.
Q2: Should the "Jacko" name be mentioned in the lead? (No.)
A2: No. The "Jacko" name should not be mentioned in the lead. Past consensus goes against such inclusion. The name is a derogatory term used primarily by US/UK/Australian tabloids. The slogan is discussed in the relevant section of the article.
Q3: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer/blindness/liver disease/AIDS, etc.? (No.)
A3: No.
The article should not mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer, blindness, liver disease, AIDS, etc. Until such claims are confirmed by a Jackson representative it will not go in the article at all. These claims are largely fabricated by tabloids.
Q4: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had a secret child called Omer Bhatti? (No.)
A4: No.
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Q5: Isn't Jackson the seventh child of the Jackson family, not the eighth? (No.)
A5: No.
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According to David Gest and Lisa Minneli, long time friends of Michael, n even by Michael himself chemical castration is just a tabloid rumour one of many lies that always were there in media through out his life to tarnish his image. Further, his voice changed from his teens to this is it. Some of them can be 2006 Diamond awards n in the closet history tour performances, 2000 watts song and the recording of sedated Michael talking to the very so called Doctor Conrad Murray during This is It. Tiara Moonlight (talk) 11:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
In 2018, Jackson's physician Conrad Murray said that Joe had chemically castrated Michael and forced him to undergo hormone treatment as a child to stop his voice changing.
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Below the fourth picture, I suggest "Randy Jackson" is changed to Randy Jackson, since all other siblings in that picture is written with a link to their respective articles. Olympicbandy (talk) 19:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
It was an image of the Jackson siblings on their show The Jacksons; and today the image was cropped to only show Michael; making the caption in the section not really make sense. I request that either the image is reverted back to the previous edit of the image, or the caption in the article be changed from the current caption to something like "Jackson on the television program The Jacksons, in 1977."; to fit with the recent change. Realmaxxver (talk) 20:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Consider, in addition to writing Jackson as being a Singer, Songwriter and Dancer, adding that he was a philanthropist. While philanthropy is already mentioned, staying he was a philanthropist out right will place emphasis on his philanthropy. RyanAl6 (talk) 05:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Not done it was already determined in 2017 to just use singer, songwriter, and dancer in the opening sentence. Adding any lesser known occupations would be bloating that. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Actually, the may need to come back up for discussion. Perhaps an official AFD style. There are many notable sources that that focuses on Jackson’s philanthropy. In fact, there is an article that was authored by a Misplaced Pages admin called Philanthropy of Michael Jackson, Jackson also has a world record for being the most charitable pop start of all time, that still stands. That’s not bloating or a lesser known occupation, when in fact that is one of the primary reasons Jackson is known.TruthGuardians (talk) 21:56, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
To be fair, this decision was made two years before the creation of that philanthropy article. I just hope whoever adds "philanthropist" there isn't doing so to give some impression of "he's the most generous singer to ever exist" or anything along those lines. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree. I’m not comfortable with just adding it there myself without a consensus of sorts, but definitely might be worth revisiting.TruthGuardians (talk) 22:20, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
It's an interesting case, given the subject. Although Jackson's philanthropic ventures are sufficient to support an article, his entertainment career is so legendary that everything else is low on the list of points of notability. Also, there is a quite pronounced tendency in Misplaced Pages to avoid referring to celebrities who engage in philanthropy as philanthropists in article ledes. I don't know whether the world record still stands, though it undoubtedly did for quite a while. BD2412T22:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Very valid points. That’s why I’m not comfortable with adding it as a description without a consensus, but the world record does still stand. Also, he’s noted for having donated approximately $500,000,000.00 in his lifetime time (that’s about 1 billion dollars when inflation is factored in). This HuffPost article is one of my favorites on the topic. TruthGuardians (talk) 00:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, even if most other celebrities don’t have “philanthropist” listed in the beginning of articles, Michael Jackson holding a record, one that is significantly greater than the amount of money most other celebrities of donated, likely justifies it. RyanAl6 (talk) 23:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Error on Reference 318
Out of boredom I decided to read MJ's article today and I came across a "Cite Error" on reference 318 in the "Posthumous Sales" subsection. May anyone please fix it so that the proper source can be displayed? Here's the error message:
Cite error: The named reference Swift-Boyle was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. melecie t 13:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Done Thank you. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 20:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Not done it was already determined in 2017 to just use singer, songwriter, and dancer in the opening sentence. Adding any lesser known occupations would be bloating that. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)