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Gerda's September corner

September songs

Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women, - nice match to "yours"! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Rich Main page today: first TFA by promising author, pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! - The promising author is also mentioned (at least indirectly) here (pending unblock request), in case you have time for "in dubio pro reo" even against odds. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for Clara Leiser! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

today: the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for help in September, - a rich harvest! On Peace Day Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Today: a woman in red (back to the beginning of the thread), two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

• That's some hard writing on Monika Salzer--thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

  That was sweeter than the two deaths and the indef after the discussion was about a topic ban. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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Any connection?

Are the brand new accounts posting at Talk:One UI socks or related to the LTA obsessed with the article itself by any chance? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

• Who's the LTA? Drmies (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
  • User:Malcolmxl5/sandbox#Odisha ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
    • No, I didn't see any evidence of that. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 16:31, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Max Creutz

Err... Thanks for your help but I thought the in use template was a way to prevent other users to intervene on articles in order to avoid edit conflicts. I'm glad I discovered your welcome but untimely intervention before I started to translate. Fell free to correct my work when it's over though. LouisAlain (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

• Sorry. Good luck with it! Drmies (talk) 00:39, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

File:Redoshi and her husband.jpg

Do you have any evidence that this was published before 2019? The photo seems to be too young for {{PD-US-unpublished}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

• I don't think I ever stated anywhere that it was. The caption of the NYT says this, "Redoshi, known as Sally Smith, with her husband, called Uncle Billy or Yawith. Research suggests she may have been the last survivor of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. (PHOTOGRAPH VIA SHIRLEY QUARLES)". "Quarles" is a family name and the name of the plantation where she lived; the family likely "owned" her. But I don't really understand your question. The photo seems young? Drmies (talk) 15:04, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
  • It says that the photo was taken early in the 20th century and {{PD-US-unpublished}} states that unpublished works are protected for 120 years from creation if the photographer is anonymous. This means that unpublished photos taken before 1900 are in the public domain while unpublished photos taken in 1901 and later still are copyrighted. If this was taken early in the 20th century, then it still seems too young for {{PD-US-unpublished}}.Note that {{PD-US-expired}} only is for published works. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:15, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
    • She seems younger than 52 to me. Maybe I was wrong saying the picture was taken early in the 20th century; maybe it was late in the 19th century. I'll go and correct it. Drmies (talk) 22:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

George Philip Krapp

For some reason that I don't even remember, I stumbled onto this stub this morning and tripled its length. He was an academic of the English language and so it is in your wheelhouse. If you or any of the denizens of this talk page want to work on it, fine. I have a favor to ask. In "Further reading", I put a link to a 1926 review in American Speech. I can only read the first page.. Can you email me the complete text? Thanks. Cullen Let's discuss it 19:33, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks for writing him up--yes, Krapp/Dobie are some of the most notable names in the founding of the discipline. For a long time the files from the ASPR were the online sources of Old English poetry. I emailed you the article. Thanks again Cullen! Drmies (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Hi @Drmies: There is an editor at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Lee (singer) who is making personal attacks against. Can you have a look please. scope_creep 15:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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AfD SPA

• Green Hook 1224 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I don't know if the header rings any bells, but the above seems to have a very narrow interest in a few list articles, and in making spurious votes to keep them at AfDs (this includes copy-pasting the same argument). They haven't been active anywhere else besides in two short bursts. Or maybe I'm just being too suspicious. Anyway, wish you well, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

It's also possible there's a link with Special:Contributions/2001:8003:24d1:a000:2ceb:c26a:6ecd:b209, but that's not obvious enough. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

You got mail. Drmies (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bartolo 5565 RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

• And now one more which is a duck but isn't CU confirmed; thanks to TompaDompa. I've gone ahead and done the most basic of things. Thanks again, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:21, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for solving the previous one. This seems to never end: what about Special:Contributions/LashandaWilhelm? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

sigh

Needs someone good with young people to give him The Talk. (hint, hint) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

• Well, let's see how the last note was received. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Why did the picture of Sandy Marton get removed?

Ok, you provided a valid reason to remove the 'modern popularity' section. I'm not contesting that. But why was the deletion of his picture necessary? (JayPlaysStuff | talk to me | What I've been up to) 01:25, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

• I'm not aware that I removed a picture--if I did, feel free to put it back in. My interest was to get rid of all that unverified and unencyclopedic stuff added by various users including User:Zamber Rensil. BTW there was some blatant racism in the history as well, as another unfortunate side effect of that little bit of viral fame. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Relatedly, I see you've not been notified of WP:AN#Sandy Marton. Interesting first edit. I count three other accounts with less than five edits in Special:PageHistory/Sandy Marton too... -- Tamzin (she/they) 01:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Ha, I suppose I should comment on that veridicity. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Tamzin, you're totally being an SPI person, haha. Yeah, it may well be that there's a sock or two in there, but who cares--they'll go away. Thanksdd, Drmies (talk) 01:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Does vaguely gesticulating in the direction of possible sox sound like me caring? :P -- Tamzin (she/they) 01:57, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
        • Tamzin, I ran into another one, just above the AN section. If you look at my log you'll see I CU-blocked a bunch of socks of User:Shaban Roman Petrovich (who was active on two ranges). The most recent batch, starting with User:Search for the essence, is I believe also a set of socks of Petrovich, given the similarity between User:Persecuted editors (who is CU confirmed with the others in the second batch) and Petrovich. Hello world! So, what do you think--open an SPI, or just tag em? You can do that much better than me, so if you don't mind... Drmies (talk) 02:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
          • Shit, I meant to put money on how long it'd take them to get blocked. Oh well. I'll open a pro forma SPI, since I doubt this is the last we'll hear of Shaban (and because mass-tagging is easier with spihelper).P.S. A useful trick to turn a segment of a block log into a list of {{checkuser}}s: Copy-paste everything into an editing window and use the find-and-replace button in the top-right corner, with "Treat search string as a regular expression" checked, to turn .*? blocked (.*?) talk contribs with an expiration time of .* into * {{checkuser|$1}}. Replace all. -- Tamzin (she/they) 02:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

A new userbox may be needed

Hello Drmies. I hope you and your family are well. I saw this thread Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Possible promotional use and distuptive behavior and thought "it is a wonderful thing to be a self-confident amateur" and to edit alongside so many others who are the same :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 04:25, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

New Baby Blue section for YoUDee

Dear Drmies,

I am trying to add sources for the article of my university's mascot, YoUDee. I recently added an addition to the YoUDee article for Baby Blue, YoUDee's sibling mascot. I see you reverted my changes because there's not any "independent secondary sources".

I see three problems with this.

1) There's no benefit to secondary sources with something so branded like a mascot. All a secondary source will do is rehash information from UD's official website. This article from Newsweek (quite recently) that mentions YoUDee just copied the text from "YoUDee's Profile" on UD's official bluehens site with minor syntax changes. If you google the text "YoUDee's proud lineage...measured in minutes", the second search result is the bluehens dot com profile.

2) Secondary sources cannot feasibly add any new valid information about YoUDee's sibling mascot Baby Blue, otherwise it would not be canon or legitimate.

3) I've searched high and low for sources on just YoUDee. It took me a month before I found a ProQuest article, then the microforms for a pre-YoUDee mascot pictures. I have found little about Baby Blue that is not just an aside, "".

There is some precedent for the ~800 character edit I made.

1) University of Kentucky's mascot have all of their mascots listed. 2) The Nittany Lion of Penn State has three total references, two of which are university primary sources, one of which is a dead LA times link.

Maybe the text I wrote was excessive. Could there be a Baby Blue section on the YoUDee[REDACTED] page, "Baby Blue", and the paragraph text just reads "YoUDee has a sibling mascot, Baby Blue". I think it is notable enough that some people would benefit from it. Personally, less than half the university students I have encountered are aware of Baby Blue. And I've seen multiple people use the YoUDee[REDACTED] article by their own volition.

I apologize for the length of this -- I just wanted to convey my thoughts fully.

Respectfully, Jvillemare (talk) 12:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

• Jvillemare, this is the thing: if there are no secondary sources, it really shouldn't be on Misplaced Pages. Things are not inherently notable (unless they're presidents or caves with Neanderthal remains). Thank you, Drmies (talk) 14:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

• • Drmies, if that's the bar, then you may want to consider deleting Univ. of Oklahoma's Boomer & Sooner mascot article, which only has three references, all of which are to primary sources belonging to Univ. of Oklahoma. Two of the three links are 404, unarchived. Baby Blue does have secondary sources mentioning it by name and picture, which I could just include. Shall I? Respectfully, Jvillemare (talk) 17:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Go for it! But keep in mind that such comparisons work best if they're made to a GA or an FA. And please don't cite me as a warrant for your edits. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Roger that. Good day, Jvillemare (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

In the proud tradition of ANI 2.0

Someone seems unhappy that I have nominated a few of the crème de la crème lists on WP for deletion, and is now trying to tell me I'm bludgeoning (with my usually short replies), by highlighting the shortcoming of their reasoning. Mind telling me if I should indeed keep quiet? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 12:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I think your contributions are substantively fine but also that it wouldn't hurt for you to disengage. (You are not the only person to whom the latter part applies.) --JBL (talk) 13:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

JBL, I resemble that remark... Drmies (talk) 14:22, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Ha! --JBL (talk) 17:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail!

-- Tamzin (she/they) 18:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

• Everybody needs a cetacean, but more than that, I need a break after my last SPI. I saw your message and skimmed it--more later. Drmies (talk) 16:52, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Buildings in Savannah Historic District

Hey friends and visitors--what do you make of this? List of lighthouses in the Netherlands, which I've done a bit of work on, has a bunch of red links, but those are for things that pretty much have inherent notability. That's not the case here, with all these entries. I would appreciate your advice. Drmies (talk) 21:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Oof -- has a very WP:NOTWEBHOST/WP:NOTDIRECTORY feel to me. Nice photos, at least. But hard to imagine there being anything to say/any sources about more than a handful of these.--JBL (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Performance Food Group

Hi Drmies, I would like to have suggestions on what can be improve to unpropose the deletion of this this article? And I don't think that this article is in a "run-of-the-mill". But I would be happy if you share me some of your opininon about why is this article considered a "run-of-the-mill". Thanks! :) Loh Shi San 罗熙善 (talk) 04:44, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

• Hello LohShiSan--basically, if all that can be reported are financial figures (and maybe takeovers, etc.), that's what I call "run of the mill". That kind of information is simply the basic reporting of facts, whereas the GNG requires some in-depth discussion in reliable secondary sources. But for these articles I take guidance, or at least try to, from DGG, who has extensive experience, and maybe they care to weigh in. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thank you very much for sharing your opinion. Loh Shi San 罗熙善 (talk) 23:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hello, I appreciate you blocking the creator of List of governors of Texas by age. I don't want to bother you, but I noticed upon further investigating that article's history, the same day the article was created, an IP editor who illicitly removed issue notices there later the same month edited Young Liberals (Australia) (including a major edit). In the following month or so, four WP:SPI accounts (CountryBumpkin2020, Gimp112, LocalCbrHero1988, and Gimp 8032) made substantial and controversial edits to the same part of the article, sometimes in opposition to each other. Only LocalCbrHero1988 made edits directly in support of the IP's changes. I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase or falsely accuse other editor's of misconduct, but the conduct and some name similarity to what's come to light at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bartolo 5565 seems highly suspicious to me. You seem like an expert in these types of matters, so I just wanted to let you know of my concerns. Thank you for any expertise you can provide, and humble apologies for any inconvenience. Newshunter12 (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

• Hard to say. The two Gimps are likely socks of Bartolo, yes. I can't say that for sure for LocalCbrHero. I'll block the Gimps, thanks. Drmies (talk) 20:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Sara Gibbs

Sara Gibbs and her husband, who have never edited Misplaced Pages before, are completely baffled that their IP address has been blocked. Any clue? kencf0618 (talk) 15:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• Eh, no? I don't know who these people are or what their IP address is or what accounts they may have. I assume you're posting here for a reason, that somehow my name came up, but if that's the case, if my name showed up in a block log, for instance, then there's probably a reason given in that log entry. And, eh, many, many cats?? Drmies (talk) 15:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker)@Kencf0618: My guess is that it is a rangeblock or an IP used by a prior user - something of the sort. When people use dynamic or shared IP addresses to vandalize or disrupt Misplaced Pages, those IP addresses will often have to be blocked to prevent further damage to the encyclopedia. The software that runs Misplaced Pages can't tell the difference between them and the person(s) the block was intended for, so new editors end up caught in the block too. The solutions: depending on the type of block, tell them they may be able to edit after creating an account using <https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:CreateAccount>. If the block prevents them from creating an account, they could try creating it using a different internet connection. If that fails, they can ask for help at <https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Request_an_account>. Geoff | 17:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. This situation was new to me. kencf0618 (talk) 17:44, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Query

Hello, Drmies,

I'm running into pages tagged CSD G5 and when I looked into the page creator's block log, I see a notation that they've been blocked by you with a reference to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bartolo 5565. But when I check out the SPI case to verify everything, Bartolo 5565 hasn't been blocked and I don't see them identified as the sockmaster. So, maybe the case name should be changed? I didn't see that possibility mentioned in your closure so I'm just posing that question to you here as I'm not sure if the SPI will be reviewed again or simply archived under that name. Thanks. Liz 23:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• Liz, I guess I forgot to block Bartolo, but that's been rectified. In the SPI I identified User:Theotherscrubbythug as an earlier account, but I don't do the paperwork on SPIs. I assume someone is going to go over it and place the right tags and all that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
  • ... sounds like my cue. -- Tamzin (she/they) 02:28, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
    • You know, I didn't want to say that, but yeah, it's a cue for someone. Thanks, and YGM. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Message from Gyudongk (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC) on "Silicon Image" page. Hello Drmies, I am not sure if I use this Chat correctly but I am obliged to respond to your edits on Silicon Image[REDACTED] page. It would have been great if you chat with me first before whacking the page down. Silicon Image is a defunct company since it is sold to L company in 2015. Hence I am not a paid editor of any sort in this matter. I wonder why you considered if my edits have conflict of interest. Did you get a request from somebody ? I wonder if YOU have such a conflict of interest and if so, that would be a far more serious issue and I would have only two possible remedies then.

I happened to have worked for Silicon Image for quite a while and the[REDACTED] page has been the old timers' resort to recall the good old days when we were young. Since the page has been deserted for quite a while (as you can easily see many dangling references, mainly because Lattice Semiconductor got rid of Silicon Image pages), I have been getting complaints from my old colleagues if we can do anything for the page.

as you can check from the history page, I started cleaning up by correcting those dangling links. And then I added further info on the early days of Silicon Image and the whereabouts of them today.

Meanwhile, somebody (probably you included) eliminated not only my edits but also most of the content that has been there, making the Silicon Image[REDACTED] even less useful. In a sense, I can restart from the clean canvas that you provided. However, I have no intent in editing war in[REDACTED] without having an appropriate discussion with anybody who would feel uncomfortable with my edits although I have no idea why.

Someone can contribute on something only if that someone is knowledgeable on that something and I happen to be very knowledgeable on Silicon Image. Some could claim such a knowledge as 'conflict of interest' but that doesn't apply to this case as Silicon Image does not exist any more and its legal owner (L) liquidated the assets already. As was clearly stated, the ownership of the name and most of the rights related to Silicon Image is owned by L company currently but L liquidated most of the tangible and intangible assets at the moment as was described in the Silicon Image page, which is now long gone. As L liquidated most of them, I don't think L would have any interests on their already liquidated assets' whereabouts. If L feels uncomfortable from telling that L liquidated them, that means all the more reasons why[REDACTED] has to encourage such information on wikipedia. (BTW, they are all public information)

Although they are all liquidated, it is a worthwhile description where and when those technologies started. Silicon Image left quite a strong footprint in several technology fronts. HDMI and HDCP are few of the examples.

The current whereabouts (Invecas and then Analog Devices; HDMI Forum and CTA, etc) also provides useful information to the oldies and anyone who would be interested too, although all of them are public information.

I would have restored my contents if I didn't get a message that sounds as if you have some sorts of authority. Your message reminded me the faint possibility if my edits could offend somebody in any reason. I still wonder what portion of my edits offended me to start such a massive attack and an accusation. Your explanation would help me a lot in what and if I could contribute further in wikipedia.

It would be great if YOU restore the page to my last state. If you have any valid reason not to do so, I'd love to listen. If you do not have any reason but did so anyway, I'd love to listen too. -- end of message from Gyudongk (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)