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Thanks for the kind note, Fiddle. Girth Summit did the needful. Thanks both of you. Venkat TL (talk) 18:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Just for the record, I tend not to feel that revdel is really necessary for insults of that sort - I recognise that it's unpleasant, but my feeling is that it's better just to revert and forget about it; I would usually reserve revdel for racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever hate speech. However, this is your talk page, and whoever that was was particularly unpleasant, so I'm happy to make an exception. I think I've caught all the accounts/IPs now, and the page protection should prevent any continuation - if you see anything else, or if they come back when the protection expires, please let me know. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:50, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Girth Summit understood. It was very sexist and no one should be reading it, so I asked. Will try to ignore in future. Venkat TL (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I take a view on insults. See my own talk page header. I prefer them on public display that others may know the calibre of the people who insult them Fiddle Faddle 18:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

You did the right thing in asking - if something makes you uncomfortable, you are always welcome to ask. I'm just letting you know for future reference really - before my RfA, there were a number of times when I requested revdel and had it declined because the diff wasn't offensive enough, and it took me quite a while to get attuned to the level of unpleasantness that the community feels warrants it. It's always a judgment call though, and different admins call things like that differently, so don't ever feel that you shouldn't ask. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and Timtrent is absolutely right - someone willing to type that says a lot about themselves, and nothing whatsoever about you. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Girth Summit Misplaced Pages often requires skin thicker than battleship plate armour, but I do prefer to display the abuse that bounces off. I feel it shines as a beacon against ordure. I have been known to thank someone for their insult. A fine sense of humour and self knowledge is needed to have a long career in this pleasant hobby. Fiddle Faddle 19:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I created a userbox on my talk page for one particularly amusing bit of abuse I received - vandals are generally very uncreative, that particular example made me smile, and I would like to shake the person who did it by the hand one day. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Girth Summit I see. I just read the WP:REVDEL to understand its applicability. It says it is applicable to offensive slurs. But I agree folks may disagree on the red line of offensiveness. (In this case, I believe everyone who knows that word, would agree it is applicable.) Saw that userbox on your page, . @Timtrent I saw your talk page note. Interesting forewarning. However speaking for myself, I feel these troll obnoxiousness should be cleaned, as it does not do anyone any good, These garden variety troll if they are watching should understand that it is pointless as they are just going to be reverted. Leaving it is only going to waste everyone's time who look at it and it might increase their blood pressure. Venkat TL (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes - offensive slurs are definitely covered. However, that is generally understood to mean hate speech about a particular section of society. So, I would revdel and block without warning anyone directing hate-speech towards their fellow editors: sorry for the offensiveness of this list, but I'm talking about words like paki, nigger, bitch, whore, fag, poofter etc. More general insults, like idiot, asshole, cunt, fuckwit, and so on - my impression is that the community feels they don't warrant revdel, they just get reverted and forgotten about. That's just my view - other people may interpret the wording of the policy differently - but my view has been built up over several years, and informed by discussions with quite a few different admins both prior to and since my RfA. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Understood. This makes it more clearer. I am indeed grateful to you for explaining me about the intricacies of the community viewpoint, based on your years of experience. Venkat TL (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Those on my talk page are auto-archived after a few days. In the intervening period they show the issuer for who they are Fiddle Faddle 19:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Kairakairav

Kairakairav (talk · contribs)

Hi. Do you think this user is a sock of Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Yashthakurkamail ? — DaxServer (talk) 17:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer Here is what I can see. His second last sock tried to blank the SPI report 12 mins after its filing. he was reverted and later blocked. His last sock was reported and within 20 mins of filing SPI, Kairakairav was created. Kairakairav is also editing the same articles. Although so far there has not been a duck test diff. @Oshwah did you run the check user last time? It is not clear if you ran. @Girth Summit Is this tenuous evidence actionable for filing SPI? Venkat TL (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Venkat TL - I did not run a check for that particular SPI report. If I had, there would've been details about what I found (or didn't find). ;-) ~Oshwah~ 20:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Oshwah indeed. Well then, that is another reason in favour of this Kairakairav being a sock. Venkat TL (talk) 20:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi - the short answer is that if you have suspicions, raise a case. There is no penalty if the concerns aren't supported - I mean, if you were filing baseless accusations every day that would be a problem, but I'm not aware of any issues with your SPI filings. There's no need to ask a CU to pre=judge the evidence before filing; indeed, having a formal case raised in public is preferable to responding in semi-private on a user talk page, for several reasons. I don't guarantee that I'll look at the case myself, but that's kind of the point: any clerk or CU can pick it up, examine the evidence, and act upon it. Hope that makes sense. Girth Summit _(blether) 00:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks GS. Understood. May be I will wait some more to be more sure that this is Yashthakurkamail. CC @Tamzin, see how your removal of CU request tag in the last report impacted this case. A CU would have got this new one too, had it been run last time. Venkat TL (talk) 05:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I went ahead and filed it since there is another duck sock too. Venkat TL (talk) 06:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy

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About bulli bai article

Hi, I was notified that you reverted my edit because it was unsourced. I did not source it because it was already mentioned in the vice article.

The article says >Police have linked the creators of both apps to the online alt-right group “Trads” that derives inspiration from neo-Nazi online movements. Krutarth28 (talk) 16:28, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Krutarth28, That is a word without any meaning. Either define the word or leave it. Dont just add it and leave people wondering. Venkat TL (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: Ah, understood. Thank you! Krutarth28 (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Our Hindu Rashtra

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