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Response to Talk Page Response for Catherine L. Ross

Hi! I am an assistant for the Center of Quality of Growth and Regional Development and I'm not being paid to explicitly alter Dr. Catherine Ross's Misplaced Pages, I just manage a lot of her online websites and noticed this tag on her Misplaced Pages. I'm so sorry about the username, I had no idea that organizational username's weren't allowed, however if you were somehow able to remove the tag or tell me how to go about this once I make a new username, that would be extremely helpful. Thank you so much again for all of your help! CQGRD (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@CQGRD: You've been provided a link with instructions on changing username. And you may not remove the tag, because you have a conflict of interest. The tag can only be removed when independent editors review the article. —C.Fred (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Baltic states, same old story.

Why do you think that for Baltic states the full political name is necessary? As said people born in china have only China, not People's republic of China. People born in Paris, France 1940 have Paris France not, Paris German Military Administration. I have read the old long discussions in the talk, they lead nowhere and are inconclusive. If we use Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic, then do we need to use Republic of Estonia instead of just Estonia also? And what will happen with transitional periods and war times? Like if we have a person born between 8 May 1990 and 20 August 1991, when the state was already named to Republic of Estonia and the 1938 constitution was reinstated, but the state was still loosely part of Soviet union or even until 6 September 1991, when USSR officially accepted the independence of Estonia?

What date will the Soviet Union be dropped from the end, infobox person says to use sovereign state (although we know that sovereignty over Baltic states never went to Soviet Union at all due to annexation being internationally not recognized) there was Estonian Sovereignty Declaration 16 November 1988, declaring Estonia's sovereignty and the supremacy of the Estonian laws over the laws of the Soviet Union. So legally Estonian member status of Soviet Union after this was looser than in EU (tough of course Estonia was under military occupation in reality). I can go on, like in wartime there's even more "fun" political situations, like which village was controlled by which power. Germans reached Estonia 7 July, battles lasted until 2 December 1941 and again from 2 February to 19 December 1944. But maybe it's easier to follow MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content. --Klõps (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Klõps: So we should list just USSR, then, and omit Estonia? That's easy enough. :) —C.Fred (talk) 02:04, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I expected something intelligent from someone with administrator privileges. This is really low. Administrator should see arguments from both sides, not go full sarcastic middle finger. --Klõps (talk) 08:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Klõps: Thank you for enjoining yourself to the ANI report. —C.Fred (talk) 13:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, WP:HOCKEY has been a tad lenient by having the SSRs included in the infoboxes with the Soviet Union. Perhaps, it's time the WikiProject remove them & go with just "City, Soviet Union". GoodDay (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I should point out, that there's currently an ongoing ANI report related to this topic. It's obvious, that things have gone beyond the point of just a content dispute. GoodDay (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoodDay: And I did render an opinion there about one of the editors in question and whether they should be allowed to participate further in Misplaced Pages. —C.Fred (talk) 17:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:HOCKEY's compromise is that we 'allow' showing "Estonian SSR", "Latvian SSR" & "Lithuanian SSR". Otherwise, it would simply be "City, Soviet Union". GoodDay (talk) 16:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Solo music articles

Hi there! I know that I might've talked about this with you before, but I think Niki and Gabi are ready to have their individual articles, they're becoming more notable as solo musicians now and also the last time they released music together was in 2019, there's a lot of reliable sources that talks about their solo projects, if they can't have articles can they at least have articles for their music? also check out Draft:Gabi DeMartino if you can! a-side from singing, they also starred in shows individually such as Freakish or Blood Queens. Gabriella Grande (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gabriella Grande: I looked at Draft:Gabi DeMartino, and I do not see where she is yet notable per WP:NMUSIC. —C.Fred (talk) 21:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Awards and honors received by Bruce Lee

Dear editors,

Please, don't delete any piece of information from my last version! I've worked very hard to compile all those awards/honors. It took me long to finish it.

It wasn't a good behavior to delete information related to top brands such as Nike, Nokia, Xiaomi, Casio and Hublot. I've been wise and careful enough to write an article that meets all generations' needs/expectations. For instance, teens find Bruce Lee Xiaomi smartphone a more interesting honor than a statue. Moreover, that kind of honors are recent. It's important to have an up-to-date article. Please, pay attention to sources dates/years. I had into account past (e.g. statues), present (e. g. Xiaomi smartphone) and future (a suggestion: Bruce Lee should be awarded with an Honorary Doctorate Degree).

Thank you for your understanding.

Cordially, Brightstarrrr Brightstarrrr (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm no doubt making a mistake in coming here, but I feel compelled to register my strong disagreement with your actions with respect to the user. They were given many warnings and ignored them all. They were asked to self-revert, and they did not. Instead, you do a "courtesy revert" for them (I've never heard of such a thing), and then when they ignore you and revert again, you partially block them (they should be sitewide-blocked as this is not the only article they've edit-warred on) and for a mere 31 hours. This is just delaying the inevitable, an indefinite block for WP:NOTHERE, WP:CIR, and disruption, which is what I said on EdJohnston's Talk page (don't know if you had a chance to read it).--Bbb23 (talk) 20:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23: And then there's this message on their user talk page. Methinks they're just digging the hole deeper. —C.Fred (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I noticed. Do you think the "BYE BUY" was an intentional pun? If the user is being paid, the payer is not getting their money's worth.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23: And WP:REFUND doesn't handle situations like this. :) —C.Fred (talk) 03:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I didn't block anybody. I don't even know how to block editors on Misplaced Pages... It was you who blocked me. Brightstarrrr Brightstarrrr (talk) 20:54, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I cannot edit the article anymore... Is it possible to unblock me? It is really unfair to delete important pieces of information from my version and then block me. I'm shocked. I'll take action. Brightstarrrr (talk) 21:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

C.Fred, did you see the difference between my version and the current one? Did you see how many pieces of information have been deleted without permission? The editors who should be blocked are the ones who delete information, not the ones who add information like me. Brightstarrrr (talk) 21:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Brightstarrrr: What I saw is that you persistently reverted to your preferred version and refused to discuss the matter on the talk page. You were restricted from editing articles directly to get you to engage with other editors and work toward WP:Consensus, as well as to make sure you listen to them about the problems in your edits, particularly the lack of accessibility and non-standard formatting. —C.Fred (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Definite Articles

The Rams is the team name as well as the the Raiders, the Green Bay Packers, the Dodgers, etc. If you want to include the city name then you get the Los Angeles Rams, the Las Vegas Raiders, the Los Angeles Dodgers, etc. Why are these football teams different on English language Misplaced Pages? Sireliah (talk) 03:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This thread, including my reply, is at User talk:Sireliah#March 2022. —C.Fred (talk) 03:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Raghuvamshi

Need to revert these chnages done by this user

curprev 02:22, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,278 bytes −2‎ Fixed some formatting issues. undothank curprev 02:20, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ 3,280 bytes +26‎ Fixed the transliteration and added a clarification about the terminology. undothank curprev 02:12, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,254 bytes 0‎ Getsnoopy moved page Raghuvanshi to Raghuvamshi: Proper transliteration. undothank

The correct spelling is Raghuwanshi or Raghuvanshi. This is how it is pronounced in Sanskrit and Hindi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: You'll need to discuss that on the article's talk page, as well as present sources showing that is how it is spelled in English. —C.Fred (talk) 04:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I just gave the evidence of the user who changed the spelling in Feb.

curprev 02:22, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,278 bytes −2‎ Fixed some formatting issues. undothank curprev 02:20, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ 3,280 bytes +26‎ Fixed the transliteration and added a clarification about the terminology. undothank curprev 02:12, 20 February 2022‎ Getsnoopy talk contribs‎ m 3,254 bytes 0‎ Getsnoopy moved page Raghuvanshi to Raghuvamshi: Proper transliteration. undothank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs)

@Neha.thakur75: I didn't see any reliable sources cited. —C.Fred (talk) 04:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You are unnecessary misspelling Indian names. This is not good. It is spelled रघुवंशी in Hindi which is either Raghuwanshi or Raghuvanshi. It is a common surname used by Indian and I muyself is a Raghuwanshi. I wonder why foreigner are changing spellings of Indian names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As C.Fred previously explained, you need to present reliable, published sources showing how the names are spelled when transliterated in English. All you have done so far is demonstrate that you disagree with another editor about the spelling, but you have presented nothing to show that they are wrong. Your personal opinion is not sufficient reason to change an article here. General Ization 04:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: What's relevant from my perspective is that you repeatedly changed the spelling of the name without explanation, was warned about their conduct, was warned that violating the three-revert rule would lead to them being blocked, and yet they kept doing it. I've addressed the behavioural concern. Any matters of content, including spelling, need to be addressed at the article's talk page. Since I've acted administratively, I can't really get involved with making a content call on the spelling. —C.Fred (talk) 04:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This is so common that you can even google it. Why all this drama didnt happen when Getsnoopy misspelled the name ?

@Neha.thakur75: Getsnoopy did not violate 3RR; you did. My involvement is limited to your breach of the rule. —C.Fred (talk) 04:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

…But, for what it's worth, I did Google it, and the results are mixed. —C.Fred (talk) 05:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I just gave you an explanation. I found that[REDACTED] is misspelling a very important and special Indian cultural dynasty. And I corrected it. Now you bunch of people who know nothing about Indian cultural are asking me to justify. You could google and get the correct spelling, you can change it on[REDACTED] but not on other sources. This will get big if you dont stop, This dynasty belongs to Lord Ram, worshipped by Indian. If you play with Indian culture, this will not be ending well. You should give be the one I should ask for evidence. Stop playing with Indian culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: That still doesn't address the behavioural issue. You crossed the 3RR line. Your privileges of editing the article in question are restricted to prevent further short-term disruption.

By the way, when a user proposes a change, the burden is on them to present the evidence. Saying "Google it" does not count as evidence. You've been asked repeatedly for specific sources where we can verify the English spelling of the name, and you have yet to do so. —C.Fred (talk) 05:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Getsnoopy did violated because the changes does not reflect the real name and did not give the evidence for change. I joined[REDACTED] because I had to revert the wrongdoings. I was not even on Misplaced Pages until I saw this vandalisation of Indian culture — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: And where did he do it four times? —C.Fred (talk) 05:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

My changes were reverted my changes I have undo it.

@Neha.thakur75: Not by Getsnoopy, though. —C.Fred (talk) 05:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I have to undo the reverts done on my changes. Ask people who undo without evidence. I did give the evidence. Ask questions to people who undo my changes without giving evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: When three different editors revert you, you need to take it to the talk page. Period. Burden is on you, not them. —C.Fred (talk) 05:16, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes burden is on me when I discover that Indian culture is vandalised on Misplaced Pages and I have to revert the changes. Why are you not accepting the correct spelling ? How this is helping the content. Why are you contributing to misinformation ? What do you get from vandalising Indian culture ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: I see no evidence that any of the editors who reverted your edits have acted in bad faith; there has been no vandalism. As for "not accepting the correct spelling", there is no consensus at the article talk page on a correct spelling, so there is nothing to accept currently. —C.Fred (talk) 05:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The other users did because I had mentioned the reason in my edit clearly. They could have asked me for the reason and further explanation but instead they simply reverted my changes. How come this is not a bad behaviour? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: No, you did not. You did not use an edit summary at Raghuvamshi, and you did not explain on the talk page. When you were warned that you could be blocked for disruptive editing, you acknowledged the warning (by removing it) and kept right on. —C.Fred (talk) 05:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neha.thakur75: Your edit summary "corrected spelling" showed only that the reason for your edit was that you disagreed with the spelling. It did nothing to provide evidence of the correct spelling. Had you started a conversation on the article's Talk page asserting that the spelling was incorrect, we would have responded that evidence was needed to determine the correct spelling, and we would be in the same place — except that you would not be blocked from editing the article because of your edit warring. General Ization 05:34, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

This is enough. I will see how I can report this Indian cultural vandalisation to Indian organisation. I wont let you vandalise Indian culture like this. As a user who just joined to correct the wrongdoings on wikipedia, I did learn on how to edit wiki pages, I properly registered and did my edits instead of doing this anonymously. I gave the explanation for the change. Also, I shared the user and the user's edit history that I have reverted but you have intention to vandalise the page, you are coming up with all the stupid reasons for not to correct the wrongdoings. I understood you are the right person to have a rational discussion with. You dont care about the content.