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2022 Pritzker Prize
Article: Diébédo Francis Kéré (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Burkinabè architect Diébédo Francis Kéré wins the Pritzker Architecture Prize (Post)
News source(s): NYT The Guardian
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- Nominated by Alanscottwalker (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: needs citations help (French and German readers/writers/researchers attention could be special help, too) Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
2022 Turkmenistan presidential election
Serdar Berdimuhamedow Article: 2022 Turkmenistan presidential election (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Serdar Berdimuhamedow (pictured), the son of Turkmenistan leader's Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow, is elected president of Turkmenistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Serdar Berdimuhamedow (pictured) is elected
News source(s): Al jazzeera; France24;ABC News;New York Times;The Guardian; KSAT; NBC News; DW News; CGTN; TRT World; AP News; WION News
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- Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)
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HurricaneEdgar 12:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support The article has everything that is required in an election article but with a very basic content. If someone could expand the results and reactions sections it would be great. Also, I think it would be interesting to mention in the blurb that he succeeds his father, dictator since fifteen years ago. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support the alternative blurb. Article's quality is minimally sufficient for posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- IAR Oppose I don't think we should be promoting the sham election of a dictatorship on the Main Page. "All legal parties currently support the government"? Come on.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- However true it may be that all legal parties support the government, the Agrarian Party of Turkmenistan fielded a presidential candidate. Also, we've posted sham elections with similar outcome in the past (e.g. Kazakhstan, Nicaragua etc.), so there's nothing wrong in including this one as well (you would have probably made a stronger argument had it been a one-candidate or a one-party election).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Pawnkingthree: How about posting this with a blurb which makes it clear that the elections were not free and fair? 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is that no concerns have been raised regarding irregularities in the election, so it's more accurate to say that it was non-competitive rather than non-free or non-fair. To put it simply, people in Turkmenistan are used to live with the political system and no-one outside of the country really cares about it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose the article does make clear that this was a non-free election, and the blurb should show this too. Also, the article lead is too short (and ignores the fact that this was a non-free election), article is quite short and only has minimal aftermath section (which again makes no mention of the fact that this was a non-free election). This POV shouldn't be permitted on front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support. We've been through this before, it's not Misplaced Pages's place or ITN's place to editorialize on whether we think the election was free and fair or not. Elections are ITN/R and the blurb should simply state who won the election. — Amakuru (talk) 14:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article itself says the election was not free and fair so clearly that "editorializing" will prevent it from being posted.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- There's an unreferenced claim that no elections in Turkmenistan have been free and fair with no specific details about this election. Furthermore, there are no reports of concerns raised regarding electoral irregularities in the media. You should present reliable sources which point out to instances of potential candidates being arrested or banned from running, intimidation of voters, vote buying and other methods of vote-rigging to claim that this really was a non-free or non-fair election. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Added multiple sources calling it a sham on the talkpage. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- There's an unreferenced claim that no elections in Turkmenistan have been free and fair with no specific details about this election. Furthermore, there are no reports of concerns raised regarding electoral irregularities in the media. You should present reliable sources which point out to instances of potential candidates being arrested or banned from running, intimidation of voters, vote buying and other methods of vote-rigging to claim that this really was a non-free or non-fair election. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article itself says the election was not free and fair so clearly that "editorializing" will prevent it from being posted.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - I will continue to, on principle, oppose sham elections from being posted on ITN. Truth in reporting is not editorializing.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support once blurb is edited to show that the election was not free nor fair. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 (did I do something wrong? let me know!) 16:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support based on the significance of the event, but I Oppose the current suggested blurbs. I think it is fundamentally misleading to present this using the same wording we use for genuine elections when RS do not present it in that way. This piece from the guardian for example, describes the election as being an event responsible for
paving the way for hereditary succession in one of the world’s most tightly controlled countries
. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 16:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC) - Support as nominator and per Amakuru. HurricaneEdgar 17:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Your support is already assumed based on being the nominator. You do not need to !vote a second time. WaltCip-(talk) 18:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Pervis Spann
Article: Pervis Spann (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times; WLS-TV (ABC); WBBM-TV (CBS)
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- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Brickleym (talk · give credit)
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Bloom6132 (talk) 12:03, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support - fully sourced, seems fine to me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski 12:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
RD: Mina Swaminathan
Article: Mina Swaminathan (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
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- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by To be updated (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Indian researcher. I have not had a chance to work the article yet. If someone wants to join-in and lend a hand, jump straight-in! Ktin (talk) 00:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
RD: Scott Hall
Article: Scott Hall (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWE.com
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- Nominated by KingOfAllThings (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: WWE Hall of Famer. Known also as Razor Ramon. What a legend. RIP. KingOfAllThings 00:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Seems pretty close. There are a handful of sections with no citations (e.g. Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (2002–2005, 2007–2008)). GreatCaesarsGhost 01:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- "NWATNA" needs a hyphen in the middle, too. Support pending touchup. I'd wanted to get this blurbworthily persuasive in time, but I forgot. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's a bit more than a little cleanup. I've added some citation needed tags, but some of the article needs lots of citations to cover what is being said. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski 08:02, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle once article is cleaned up. The Kip (talk) 15:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support once all the CN tags have been addressed. There's also zero sourcing for the "Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (2002–2005, 2007–2008)" and the "Return to the WWC (2007)" sections. Lugnuts 19:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: William Hurt
Article: William Hurt (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TompaDompa (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Is anybody up for sourcing a long filmography? Because I'm not. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article needs referencing updates, especially the filmography. --Tone 21:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The filmography is now sourced in its entirety. TompaDompa (talk) 22:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- TompaDompa Awesome! – Muboshgu (talk) 22:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support listing in recent deaths. --TheSandDoctor 00:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support. BD2412 T 01:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support article seems to have no major problems. Hamza Ali Shah 01:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posting, excellent work! --Tone 09:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Blurb. Top actor in 80s, Academy Award winner, three back-to-back Oscar lead nominations, worldwide known. Kirill C1 (talk) 13:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely not close to top of field for blurb territory. A few notable roles but not a long influential career. --Masem (t) 13:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely closed to top of the field. Back-to back lead Oscar noms are indicator of this, as well as career during five decades. And he has numerous memorable roles. He is also far more known then Shane Warne and Dilip Kumar, who were blurbed. One of the reasons to oppose Betty White (she still got blurb) and Peter Bogdanovich was that they were not Oscar winners. He is, and he exceeds standard for usual RD. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
He is also far more known then Shane Warne and Dilip Kumar
needs the qualifier "in America", let's be truthful here. Kingsif (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely closed to top of the field. Back-to back lead Oscar noms are indicator of this, as well as career during five decades. And he has numerous memorable roles. He is also far more known then Shane Warne and Dilip Kumar, who were blurbed. One of the reasons to oppose Betty White (she still got blurb) and Peter Bogdanovich was that they were not Oscar winners. He is, and he exceeds standard for usual RD. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely not close to top of field for blurb territory. A few notable roles but not a long influential career. --Masem (t) 13:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as despite the comments above, I don't see them as being absolutely blurb worthy. Not one of the most well known actors of all time, which would be the actual standard for a blurb, wouldn't even be considered if they weren't American.... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- THe headline of Rolling Stone article is literally "These 10 Roles Remind You Why William Hurt Was a Once-in-a-Lifetime Actor" - Cannes Award, BAFTA and Oscar winner. The level coverage is huge, see giant talent. He still had projects in development. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb He was huge, but I do not see him rising above other Oscar winners in terms of reputation (like, we will probably post Daniel Day-Lewis and Robert De Niro, but there are Oscar winners aplenty, there has to be something else than popular and award-winning, likely something more intangible) and in terms of his death, it's old man dies. Do you want to post every major film award winner? This is how you end up with that precedent. Kingsif (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- His reputation was also based on his intellectual roles, and not all Oscar winners have several nominations, and not all are deemed worthy in retrospective. "That was all a lead up to one of the most stunning periods of dominance ever enjoyed by a movie star. From 1986 to 1988, Hurt was nominated for three consecutive best actor Oscars... The commercial and critical success of those films rocketed Hurt to the A-list, but he didn’t seem to relish the celebrity." - From Variety. "Acting Legend" . It was unexpected, he still had projects in pre-production, so here death may be a story, too. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: While I don't support a blurb in this case either, "in terms of his death, it's old man dies"? He was 71, and until pretty recently a working actor. BD2412 T 19:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is to say unremarkable death. Kingsif (talk) 22:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Unless it's beyond dispute that one's career stands out particularly among others in that field, I beg participants in ITN/C to not support or advocate for a blurb for RDs. Anytime one is proposed for a case that's not even borderline, the oppose comments that result generally tend to be unnecessarily denigrating and disrespectful towards the subject. A reasonable person (at least in the U.S.) would not walk up to someone's open casket at a funeral and proclaim "Well, he was okay, but he was no Robin Williams." --WaltCip-(talk) 17:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Take this as moral support for your statement. But if someone at that funeral was proclaiming that the decedent was better than Robin Williams, you would probably shut that person up, being realistic isn't always rude. Kingsif (talk) 18:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oh yes, I don't necessarily think that's forgivable either. But my point is that we shouldn't even try to initiate this discussion if people have had a day to weigh in on an RD and a consensus never previously developed for a blurb. WaltCip-(talk) 19:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Take this as moral support for your statement. But if someone at that funeral was proclaiming that the decedent was better than Robin Williams, you would probably shut that person up, being realistic isn't always rude. Kingsif (talk) 18:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb a fine actor and a personal favorite, but really not approaching the (admittedly subjective) standard we go by here. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) British Academy Film Awards
Article: 75th British Academy Film Awards (talk · history · tag)Blurb: At the 75th British Academy Film Awards, The Power of the Dog wins Best Film. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At the 75th British Academy Film Awards, The Power of the Dog wins Best Film and Best Director for Jane Campion (pictured).
Credits:
- Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Expanded, refs and prose. Can't quite remember the blurb format. Kingsif (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support as nom - satis. Kingsif (talk) 01:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Hamza Ali Shah 02:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Should there be an "In Memoriam" section? Last year's page has one. The Award and Statistics tables should have references too. Joofjoof (talk) 04:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Oppose on qualitystatistics and in memoriam sections are unsourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- What? MOS:PLOT exception - refs have not been expected for the In Memoriam to get this (or other awards articles) posted to ITN, that I remember. A video shown during a TV broadcast is, you know, PLOT. Demanding refs gets editors who don't usually touch awards articles jumping in messing the section up, which I just had to fix, too. Kingsif (talk) 14:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support It looks like all those tables are sourced now, so looks okay to me. Although in principle, I don't see how this would be a MOS:PLOT exemption. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- The results and noms, no exception, because they are notable whether there is a ceremony or not. But the In Memoriam section is "just a video", that is anticipated and people like to discuss who isn't in it, but still a video exclusive to a television broadcast, not part of the live show or the awards. In word (and in spirit, as I watch it), it is as much PLOT as any other scripted TV video. I did add a ref for it, though - hopefully primary (BBC, not BAFTA: another indication of PLOT, the TV network has it but the awarding body doesn't) source will satisfy? Kingsif (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Sourced, with prose, looks good to go.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Doesn't the "statistics" section violate WP:SYNTH? I understand counting is not really modifying, but the substance of the entire section is information that is not in the sources. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- That never even crossed my mind. Hmm, would you think of calling it SYNTH if the source said in prose "Power of the Dog won Best Picture and Best Director" and the article summarized that as "Power of the Dog won two awards"? Because a list and a table are just easy-to-navigate versions of those. Isn't there some simple math exception to sourcing guides in general anyway? Kingsif (talk) 15:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- "Routine calculations do not count as original research," per WP:CALC. Calidum 15:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that it's a WP:Routine calculation (it involves counting up to 11, which is simple maths), which is specifically mentioned as not OR/SYNTH. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- The only thing to make sure is that counting noms and wins is something done (if not fully worked out) by RSes to show that this is not just transporting. As I am pretty sure this happens with most major film awards including BAFTAs this should be fine.--Masem (t) 16:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- They do. Kingsif (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support and thanks all for the education! GreatCaesarsGhost 01:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Per nom. enough source and information. Alex-h (talk) 17:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Brent Renaud
Article: Brent Renaud (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sulpyensid (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kober (talk · give credit), Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit) and GeorgiaHuman (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American journalist, writer, documentary filmmaker, and photojournalist. TJMSmith (talk) 15:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support article seems to be well sourced. Hamza Ali Shah 17:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Details still unclear, but NYT is claiming he may have been killed during shelling of a suburb in Kyiv. I don't think this necessarily calls for a blurb, but I just figured I would mention this detail in case that impacts discussion. WaltCip-(talk) 18:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 19:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support on quality. I'll be glad to see this appear. {{u|Sdkb}} 20:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, as per others. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Timmy Thomas
Article: Timmy Thomas (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Soultracks
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- Nominated by Humbledaisy (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and seems to be well sourced Humbledaisy (talk) 20:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
This has been discussed repeatedly. The invasion is currently linked as a blurb. As soon as it falls off ITN's blurb rotation, which should happen with the next approved blurb, it will be moved to ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by JayPlaysStuff (talk · give credit)
Article updatedNominator's comments: I am surprised nobody has nominated the ukraine war for Ongoing yet (JayPlaysStuff | talk to me | What I've been up to) 16:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
RD: Traci Braxton
Article: Traci Braxton (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): iheart
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- Nominated by Riverflat2021 (talk · give credit)
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--Riverflat2021 (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rupiah Banda
Article: Rupiah Banda (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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- Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cutlass (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Solid article and well sourced. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks OK. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted after fixing multiple deadlinks in refs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) India fires missile into Pakistan
Consensus will not develop to post this. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 00:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: BrahMos (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: India accidentally fires a missile into Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, The Guardian; India Times;NYT; BBC
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- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Re12345 (talk · give credit)
- Hypothetical Weak Oppose A supersonic missile at that, but any future article on the accident itself will likely be stubby, and the happy ending sure to dissuade the MINIMUMDEATHS-minded regulars. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose No article, and India has already said it was an accident. --Masem (t) 03:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support I've fixed up the nomination first made by an inexperienced IP editor. This seems to be quite significant international news; not the sort of thing we should rush to suppress. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose has no article of its own and the linked article is, and it looks like a bad joke, two lines. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as there's only 2 lines of text about it. If it's that newsworthy, then there will be more that can be written. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- The death of Shane Warne was lead blurb for a week even though there wasn't much to be said about it ("natural causes") and the section about his death still just has two lines. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Masem. Although Pakistan demands investigation, no casualties & not widely covered. – Sca (talk) 13:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support pending improvements/creation of standalone article - Both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. If any other nuclear power (see List of states with nuclear weapons) fired a missile into the territory of another nuclear power (think: U.S., Russia, China, U.K., France, North Korea), this would be posted in a heartbeat, even if it was an accident. It doesn't matter if there are any casualties. It is a significant event in and of itself. There is international news coverage. Also, suggestion for the blurb: "accidentally" is POV as that is India's statement, just like how we did not call the Ukraine invasion a "special military operation" per Russia's statement. 174.3.214.138 (talk) 16:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Is there any plausible reason to intentionally fire an unarmed missile at a wall of no strategic value during peacetime? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- To test anti-missile defence capabilities (and vulnerabilities) of an adversary. Same reason why countries like Russia make incursions into foreign airspace or territorial waters to see how far they can go before they get a response. 174.3.214.138 (talk) 22:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- I could buy into that. I don't think I will. But it's something to ponder. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- To test anti-missile defence capabilities (and vulnerabilities) of an adversary. Same reason why countries like Russia make incursions into foreign airspace or territorial waters to see how far they can go before they get a response. 174.3.214.138 (talk) 22:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Is there any plausible reason to intentionally fire an unarmed missile at a wall of no strategic value during peacetime? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom per above. No article is usually a showstopper. Yes, there are exceptions, but this aint one of them. If this actually turns into something that generates a real (non-stub) article, I will reconsider. Until then, this is going nowhere. Suggest close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Minor issue, zero casualty. Apparently, there's not even enough story to write a stub article. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Bruce Duffy
Article: Bruce Duffy (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (March 11); died on February 10 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days). —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Adequate depth of coverage, referenced. Spencer 19:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support per Spencer. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:46, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) 2021–22 Major League Baseball lockout
Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: 2021–22 Major League Baseball lockout (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The 2021–22 Major League Baseball lockout ends after 99 days (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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- Created and nominated by Mannysoloway (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit), GhostRiver (talk · give credit) and Dmoore5556 (talk · give credit)
Article updatedNominator's comments: The Major League Baseball lockout is finally over after 99 days, following the ratification of the CBA by both sides. This was a major labor event, especially for an international sports league. Mannysoloway (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose For the same reasons this was opposed for when the lockout started. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose: I like to consider myself a big baseball fan, but I just don't see the significance of this news. Ultimately, this lockout had minimal effects on the average fan's experience. The only noticeable result of the lockout is that the season is going to start about a week later than normal. The rest of the changes are relatively minor rules changes such as universal DH and other labor/contract related stuff that the average fan wouldn't really understand and the long-term effects of which would probably take at least season to understand. Not to mention, it's not even the number one headline on ESPN right now (at least for me). Bait30 02:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Effectively only a few games of the season have been missed. Not a serious effect. --Masem (t) 02:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- They haven't even been missed, just rescheduled. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 04:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Masem, not a very large effect besides some rule changes. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 04:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Bobbie Nelson
Article: Bobbie Nelson (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Dallas Morning News; Los Angeles Times
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RD: Yevhen Deidei
Article: Yevhen Deidei (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Ukrainian politician and military officer. TJMSmith (talk) 14:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support article looks pretty good, but I'm not sure that the section on his financial earnings and net worth has much encyclopedic value. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Under sourced (including some contentious claims), a number of parts look like a hit piece, some sources are dubious. Black Kite (talk)
RD: Odalis Pérez
Article: Odalis Pérez (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Dominican baseball starting pitcher. The "Personal life" section does not have citations and the section on his death is very short as of now. ActuallyNeverHappened02 (a place to chalk | a list of stuff i've done) 22:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready Most of the article is unreferenced. This is going to need some work before it can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jürgen Grabowski
Article: Jürgen Grabowski (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
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- Created by Eastfrisian (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: German footballer, played for Eintracht Frankfurt. He became European champion in 1972 and world champion in 1974. Grimes2 (talk) 19:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Almost there One CN tag. Otherwise short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, grateful that I didn't have to do it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
RD: Emilio Delgado
Article: Emilio Delgado (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Long-time actor on Sesame Street as Luis, the fix-it shop owner. Article needs sourcing help. Masem (t) 03:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John Elliott (historian)
Article: John Elliott (historian) (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
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- Nominated by Brigade Piron (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheRichic (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Eminent British historian of Early Modern Spain and the Iberian World. —Brigade Piron (talk) 20:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not Quite Ready The books need an ISBN. Otherwise the article, while short, is adequate and decently referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- The books do not need an ISBN, that is a requirement for the references of an articles, not for a list of publications by the article's subject. Aza24 (talk) 23:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, all information in a BLP needs referencing, and ISBNs, or some other reference for his works, show that he did write those books. Stephen 00:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Done. All ISBN numbers in Bibliography section added. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, all information in a BLP needs referencing, and ISBNs, or some other reference for his works, show that he did write those books. Stephen 00:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- The books do not need an ISBN, that is a requirement for the references of an articles, not for a list of publications by the article's subject. Aza24 (talk) 23:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 09:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
RD: Mario Terán
Article: Mario Terán (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Tiempos
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Nominator's comments: Bolivian warrant officer who carried out the execution of Che Guevara in 1967. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 15:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Far too much of the article centers on Che's exploits that have nothing to do with Terán. I understand we've completely abandoned WP:1E, but BLPs still should be about the person in the title. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kimberley Kitching
Article: Kimberley Kitching (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
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- Updated and nominated by Anarchyte (talk · give credit)
- Created by Callanecc (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Australian Senator for the Labor Party. Died suddenly of a heart attack. Anarchyte (talk) 09:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Decent article and well referenced. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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Article: Mian Channu incident (talk · history · tag)Blurb: India fires a missile that crashes in Mian Channu, Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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- Nominated by MasterOfMetaverse (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: 9 March incident that was first reported on 10 March. It had the potential of esclating to a tit-for-tat response between the two nuclear armed neighbors. MasterOfMetaverse (talk) 13:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and recommebd speedy close. We already discussed this on the nomination on Mar 12 above. India said it was an accident. --Masem (t) 13:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and snow close per Masem. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment most of the opposes in the previous discussion were based on the fact that there was no article, and only a couple of lines of text in the article linked. Now there is an article, it seems worth at least discussing the event's notability again, rather than snow closing it based on a different situation. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:56, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support as this is an unusual event that received continued coverage in both countries and internationally.Ameen Akbar (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - @Andrew Davidson and Ad Orientem: we now have an article before us. Please give your valuable 2 cents here. MasterOfMetaverse (talk) 16:02, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. Significance appears to be almost non-existent. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support - as per AA above. Depressed Desi (talk) 17:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mary Coombs
Article: Mary Coombs (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph, The Guardian
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- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit) and Philip Cross (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: First woman to work as a commercial computer programmer. Earliest death announcement on this date with news sources following later. Joofjoof (talk) 08:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support more than good enough for RD. Marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Donald Pinkel
Article: Donald Pinkel (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Commercial Appeal
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- Created by LinguistAtLarge (talk · give credit)
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- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 01:08, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Inge Deutschkron
Article: Inge Deutschkron (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel
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- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Ruokasi (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: German and Isreali journalist, 99, eyewitness of the Holocaust and activist for not forgetting. The article was basically there, I only distributed the existing refs more. There's more material if needed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Short but adequate. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Referenced. Meets requirements. Grimes2 (talk) 15:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Good to go. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: David Wheeler
Article: David Wheeler (Alabama politician) (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Montgomery Advertiser
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- Updated and nominated by Kafoxe (talk · give credit)
- Created by Connormah (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Incumbent state representative from Alabama. Kafoxe (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Short but adequate. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:23, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Good for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 04:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
RD: Tomás Boy
Article: Tomás Boy (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN MARCA
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Nominator's comments: Mexican football manager and former player. Captained the Mexican national football team at the 1986 FIFA World Cup. Won two Primera División titles with Tigres UANL. Managed several Liga MX teams in a managing career that spanned three decades. --2806:109F:1:1A1E:4040:1912:AAD9:6AE2 (talk) 18:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. The first half or so of the article is actually decently referenced. Unfortunately, after that it goes downhill quickly. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:28, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) Presidential election in South Korea
Proposed imageYoon Suk-yeol Article: 2022 South Korean presidential election (talk · history · tag)Blurb: A presidential election is held in South Korea. (Post)
Alternative blurb: South Koreans head to the polls to elect their next president.
Alternative blurb II: Yoon Suk-yeol (pictured) is elected president of South Korea.
News source(s): Reuters The New York Times South China Morning Post, AP, BBC
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- Nominated by Blurengo (talk · give credit)
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Blurengo (talk) 18:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Wait Well, this is quite a close result as of an hour ago. Omnifalcon (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Wait Article is fine, I'm pretty certain its going to be Yoon who wins, but very few outlets have called it just yet, it would be preferred if we put the victor of the election. Until that is called, I think we should wait. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)- Wait per above. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 19:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Seems like news outlets are more or less comfortably calling Yoon the winner by now, so I've proposed a blurb to reflect that.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The picture in use on Yoon's page and the election page seems to be from the election commission, and is probably a public license but I'm not sure. As a backup I added an image that is acceptable but it's got some image resolution quality issues. Also there's plenty of unsourced text on the page, but we do have a concession and race calls. Omnifalcon (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb 2 The results have now been announced so I see no problem in posting this. Hamza Ali Shah 00:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 As per above, with Lee conceding there's little uncertainty left as to who the winner is by now. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support The result is decided as Yoon's victory. Reiro (talk) 07:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the election article is tagged for needing copy editing. Once done, consider this a support. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per Joseph. The results section lacks more prose than there is and also lacks a section on "reactions" or "aftermath". Otherwise the article is quite good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support — I would suggest to include the description "Conservative candidate" in the blurb. STSC (talk) 12:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Alt 2. No need to label conservative. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support alt2 Article looks fine. Flameperson (talk) 16:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. The article is enormous and highly comprehensive on the primaries, campaigns etc. However the 'results' section has just one unreferenced sentence, with no reaction, and Lee's concession is only mentioned in the lead. That could do with a few sentences. Otherwise alt2 is the way to go. Modest Genius 17:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support alt2 Article seems to be good enough. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 18:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Updated picture as it was cleared under the KOGL Omnifalcon (talk) 20:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not ready I counted at least 10 paragraphs in the lower half that lack a single reference. Stephen 23:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Stephen: I have now added references to most of the paragraphs. I couldn’t find any references for one part though (I have added a citations needed there). There might be a source for it in Korean though. Hamza Ali Shah 10:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please, someone, I've been staring at Shane Warne's face for a week now. --MZMcBride (talk) 08:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- I only contributed to the article just to cite stuff faster so his sunburned gaze would be off the front page, honestly. Omnifalcon (talk) 00:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Still missing a reactions/aftermath section, and there should be enough material by now. --Tone 09:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Referencing concerns appear to be addressed now. Sandstein 18:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) RD: David Bennett
Consensus is against posting. Also, the article has been nominated for deletion. Sandstein 06:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: David Bennett Sr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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- A biography that only covers the last three months of his life? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's the notable part. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 19:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Then how does this article not fail WP:BIO1E?
The general rule is to cover the event, not the person.
– Muboshgu (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC) - I see this was kept at AfD. I'll just walk away from this, nothing good will come of my involvement here. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Then how does this article not fail WP:BIO1E?
- That's the notable part. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 19:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per concerns raised by Muboshgu. This does not appear to be a complete biographical article and the subject likely fails WP:1E. I took a look at the AfD and all I can say is that the discussion is embarrassing in its near complete refusal to address policy and guidelines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. It isn't a biography at all, it's an article about a pig organ transplant under the wrong title. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, not a biography and shouldn't even exist Bumbubookworm (talk) 01:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Re-opening this, because despite the non-admin closure above, the article was snow kept. RD does not debate notability.--WaltCip-(talk) 19:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support passes notability, defied an AFD, article is up to scratch, death is "in the news". The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - the only detail of his life other than the transplant, is a section on his crime and time in jail. As such it seems the article is unduly focused on negative aspects of this guy's life. If some more detail is added about the rest of his life, then I might support. Either he's notable, and we should give him a full bio, or he's not notable, in which case the article should be moved to some other title which focuses on the transplant only. — Amakuru (talk) 22:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- As a reminder, the article was nominated for deletion and was kept. So the "community at large" believe him to have satisfied GNG. As I noted on ITN talk, this has already been subject to IAR. Perhaps it's going to experience a double-IAR: the community believe him to be notable yet ITN don't, so no likey, no posty. What's available about his life seems to be already covered, he's probably got a shit-ton more coverage globally than most of the Indonesian naval officers etc we post combined, but there you go. Misplaced Pages at its finest. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well far be it from me to question the outcome of the AFD, Ramblo, but really I'm just applying the same standard as I would apply to any other BLP. If there are large gaps in the biographical narrative then I don't consider the article ready for RD. Particularly when the only coverage of the first 99% of his life is focused on a crime he committed. If such coverage is provided, then I might reconsider. Objecting on that ground is not relitigating the AFD, it's simply stating that the article as it stands isn't of sufficient quality as a standalone biography. — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- As a reminder, the article was nominated for deletion and was kept. So the "community at large" believe him to have satisfied GNG. As I noted on ITN talk, this has already been subject to IAR. Perhaps it's going to experience a double-IAR: the community believe him to be notable yet ITN don't, so no likey, no posty. What's available about his life seems to be already covered, he's probably got a shit-ton more coverage globally than most of the Indonesian naval officers etc we post combined, but there you go. Misplaced Pages at its finest. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Simply not enough information in the article to say it meets the level of a biographical article. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Obvious BLP1E, that AfD has some of the most useless Keep comments I have ever seen (especially the latter ones). Should be a redirect to Xenotransplantation#History where all the actually useful information should be found. Black Kite (talk) 23:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Administrator note I'd discount the notability objections in the absence of a new AfD. However, I dont see consensus to post yet either.—Bagumba (talk) 08:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Stats I nominated this because he was in the news (again) and that's what we're here for right? But I'm not convinced that there's much point to RD because the entries are just names and so, unless there's some name recognition, most readers won't have a reason to click through. You can see this by checking the readership. Even though he's being snubbed by RD, David Bennett is doing fine compared to most of the RDs. So, clearly our readers are finding their own way to these articles. Only Kimberley Kitching is doing better as her name seems especially distinctive and memorable. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- ITN and RD are not and have not been subordinated to clicks and view counts, otherwise it would just be WP:TOP50 as many here have opined. WaltCip-(talk) 13:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Ukrainian refugee crisis
Given that the source has remained unchanged and nothing has really changed since yesterday, this can be properly considered as a duplicate nomination of something which was unanimously opposed.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: Ukrainian refugee crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Millions of people flee the Russo-Ukrainian War. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/flow-refugees-ukraine-rises-2-million-people-unhcr-head-says-2022-03-08/
Credits:
- Nominated by Chidgk1 (talk · give credit)
Article updatedNominator's comments: If this and the entry below are both approved I understand the invasion article will be moved to "ongoing" thus removing the reason for the closure of yesterday's nomination. The article has been greatly improved by other editors since yesterday, but if any quality issues remain please could you tag exactly where in the article itself - thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 08:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and close this was discussed as recently as yesterday. Chidgk1 this is your fifth nomination of Ukraine/Russia events in the last 24 hours, and none have been anywhere near getting a consensus to post. Please stop, as this is getting disruptive now. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and stop. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) Discovery of the Endurance
Endurance in 1915 Article: Endurance (1912 ship) (talk · history · tag)Blurb: The wreck of the Endurance, the ship sunk during Ernest Shackleton's Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition, is found. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Antarctica, an expedition locates the wreck of the ship Endurance, sunk in 1915 during Ernest Shackleton's Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition
News source(s): The New York Times, BBC, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Sdkb (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 37.111.41.176 (talk · give credit) and Pietadè (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Arguably the biggest maritime discovery since that of the Titanic. {{u|Sdkb}} 07:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, especially like the white dinner plates left by the crew on her deck (at 1st took them/these for some marine creatures, shame on me), in 3,008 meters below...☆☆☆—Pietadè 07:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- And, willy-nilly, instead of writing here, every pro/contra letter inserted here, if inserted into improvement of the article, would make more (useful/productive) sense, IMHO☆☆☆—Pietadè 21:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support on notability. The article is poorly referenced and a lot of work is required, though.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Both Ernest Shackleton and Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition are FAs. Linking Endurance (1912 ship) is probably the more honest main article, though. {{u|Sdkb}} 08:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- I suppose the entire paragraphs are sourced to a single source at the end of the sections, so sources likely are there already and just need to be polished. Support when this is done. --Tone 08:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Both Ernest Shackleton and Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition are FAs. Linking Endurance (1912 ship) is probably the more honest main article, though. {{u|Sdkb}} 08:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Oppose on quality woefully undersourced. Support in principle if fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)- Support because people need a little good news amongst the bad Chidgk1 (talk) 08:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support was about to nominate this myself. It is the kind of thing I can imagine people wanting to look up to read further. Update is still thin but will get there in short order looking at updates already applied. 3142 (talk) 08:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Both encyclopedic and newsworthy. Note that it's the top read story on the BBC which reports a significant detail: "This past month has seen the lowest extent of Antarctic sea-ice ever recorded during the satellite era ... The conditions were unexpectedly favourable.". Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, when sufficient citations have been added to the article to meet quality standards. BilledMammal (talk) 09:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- I prefer ALT1 over the original blurb, when this article is of sufficient quality to post. BilledMammal (talk) 12:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle, article needs sufficient citations; encyclopedic and notable. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle, oppose on quality. Impressive discovery and we have good encyclopaedic content on the topic. The article on the expedition is an FA, but couldn't be the bold link. The article on the ship is woefully short of citations - there are multiple paragraphs of text with just one reference at the end. I've added an altblurb, which avoids the long clause before 'is found'. Modest Genius 12:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thinking about it, does the ship's article even need all that content about the final voyage? That information is already present - and much better cited - in the expedition article. Modest Genius 12:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with one reference per paragraph. It may well be that all the text in that paragraph comes from just one reference. Mjroots (talk) 12:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's debatable. Regardless, my concern was e.g. the 'ownership' section has four paragraphs and just one citation, at the end of the final paragraph. That's definitely not acceptable. Modest Genius 12:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with one reference per paragraph. It may well be that all the text in that paragraph comes from just one reference. Mjroots (talk) 12:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thinking about it, does the ship's article even need all that content about the final voyage? That information is already present - and much better cited - in the expedition article. Modest Genius 12:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not to knock something we want to post, but are these types of discoveries something affirmed in peer reviewd publications (as the case for centuries-old ruins when things like carbon-dating etc come into play) or is it taken for granted that finding ship placards and the like sufficient for this purpose? Just making sure we're posting at the right point. --Masem (t) 13:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is a reasonable concern and I strongly advocate for awaiting peer-reviewed publications for science stories. However, a) this isn't science, it's exploration. It's unclear whether it would even be written up for a journal. b) No sophisticated analysis is required to identify the ship. The footage is incontrovertible. c) The media reports are quoting independent experts who are fully convinced by the discovery.
Ruins are debatable precisely because they haven't been fully preserved so require a combination of scientific data and subjective interpretation to identify. This ship just requires watching the 50 second video. Modest Genius 13:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is a reasonable concern and I strongly advocate for awaiting peer-reviewed publications for science stories. However, a) this isn't science, it's exploration. It's unclear whether it would even be written up for a journal. b) No sophisticated analysis is required to identify the ship. The footage is incontrovertible. c) The media reports are quoting independent experts who are fully convinced by the discovery.
- Support once the article is a bit better per the notes above. Definitely notable enough. — {{u|Bsoyka}} 13:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw this blurb. It's definitely a notable discovery. PenangLion (talk) 14:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Support... per Modest, Bsoyka – pending article development. Found sunken ships always are of high reader interest. Fairly widely covered. Good art of wreck might become avail. Colorized1915 photo above doesn't really tell the story. This might be a more appropriate pic. →
– Sca (talk) 14:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- The nominated picture was not colorized; it was taken with the Paget process. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Aha. Interesting. – Sca (talk) 18:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- The nominated picture was not colorized; it was taken with the Paget process. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support per above. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 14:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality as noted above. Referencing is extremely poor and will require some work to get this up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:11, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support after article improved Flameperson (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article needs some work but the title is encyclopedic and notable.Alex-h (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Wait a bit to see if the article quality improves; if it does, I would give strong support. But tags need to be addressed and reliable sources added. Yakikaki (talk) 20:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Agree, partially, let's wait for the ice becoming thinner and thinner, no need to wait some teenager to point our attention to it; read the article too, eventually (1st attention to the subject was drawn by the empty dish plates presented by BBC), and, it indeed, the piece needs some (strong?) author's touch to rise higher (btw, Mrs., male cats, mesdames, odd...)☆☆☆—Pietadè 21:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I would support in principle - the update is just about long enough - but it's kind of academic as the rest of the article is so undersourced.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Besides, in about 6 hrs the coverage has widened/improved, so, not a 60 meters run on win...☆☆☆—Pietadè 21:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose just to point out that most of the comments that say Support are actually Opposes. C'mon, folks. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- I was hoping someone would point this out. No one here seems to think this thing is actually ready to post yet. WaltCip-(talk) 21:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sadly many of the early sections of the article are orange tagged with needs of refs. This isn't just a few missed CNs we can ignore. --Masem (t) 23:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose — Orange tagged. STSC (talk) 12:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support on notability once improved - This isn't an article I could update myself, especially not currently, but if anyone is willing it should really be an ITN item. 82.15.196.46 (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Getting stale. Essentially an 'unimpactful' feature story anyway. – Sca (talk) 13:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Staleness of a nominated item shouldn't be an issue when there are items that are more stale still in use on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. Referencing issue reduced down to
seventwo cn tags. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 08:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC) - Support There is now only one cn tag, and that should not hold up the article. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support as article issues have now been fixed. Most important ship discovery in my lifetime, definitely ITN worthy (even if it's slotted in halfway down the ITN box). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think this should be posted before it gets any more stale. 82.15.196.46 (talk) 09:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have marked this as ready. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 11:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
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(Attention) RD: Gordon Lee (footballer)
Article: Gordon Lee (footballer) (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Updated by EchetusXe (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English footballer and football manager. His wikibio is already long enough. Could use more footnotes and maybe some copyediting -- this is almost ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 04:44, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be well sourced and ready to go.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
RD: Leo Marx
Article: Leo Marx (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Thriley (talk) 06:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: This wikibio is currently a 250-word stub. Is there more on him to write about? One must wonder how he got such an impressive list of accolades. BTW, that list needs footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed the citation issues. I’ll try to add some information about his work later. Thriley (talk) 16:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: Does it look ready now? Thriley (talk) 17:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Nelson W. Aldrich Jr.
Article: Nelson W. Aldrich Jr. (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 09:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 19:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ron Miles
Article: Ron Miles (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Denver Post; The Mercury News; NPR; The Denver Gazette
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Margaret Farrow
Article: Margaret Farrow (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Credits:
- Nominated by Kafoxe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wikipooba (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: First female lieutenant governor of Wisconsin. Kafoxe (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Length (600+ words) Y Coverage Y Formatting Y Deployment of Footnotes Y. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 02:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Conrad Janis
Article: Conrad Janis (talk · history · tag)Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: First reported today (March 8); died on March 1 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days). —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support looks fine. Can find no earlier reports in RS. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article in good quality; no orange tags or cn tags to be seen. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is vastly improved from when I looked at it last. Another great job from the OP. Marking as ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Good article for a notable person Alex-h (talk) 16:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Russian invasion
No consensus to tweak the blurb anymore, or try and shoehorn any other changes into the blurb. Stephen 22:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Proposal: Change Russia's ''']''' of Ukraine
to ''']'''
.--Hildeoc (talk) 15:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support as no evidence of Belarus soldiers yet Chidgk1 (talk) 15:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Maybe Belarus doesn’t actively participate with military forces but Donetsk and Lugansk do, so it’s practically not only Russia and thus replacing “Russian” with “Russia’s” would be incorrect.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- oh I misread - and misled you as nothing to do with Belarus - support as more obvious link Chidgk1 (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- This only proposes hyperlinking additional words. The blurb already says "Russia's". DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 18:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I see. The blurb probably highlights the condemnation of Russia’s involvement. Anyway, I don’t think the blurb should begin with an emboldened word and this is extremely minor thing so that WP:EGG applies.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, per WP:EGG, and wonder why Belarus even matters. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Unnecessary. – Sca (talk) 17:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I am periodically dragooned into rearranging the furniture in my house. I am not interested in doing that here. The damned chair can stay in the corner. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- You get the coveted CVU (Creative Verb Use) award for this week. – Sca (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Bikeshedding Same argument, but no oppose, just asking editors to consider a minimum threshold of impact before proposing or voting on a proposal. TZubiri (talk) 22:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support per InedibleHulk. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 18:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support per InedibleHulk. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 19:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The result of this nom would be this monstrosity: "Russia's invasion of Ukraine is condemned by the United Nations General Assembly." GreatCaesarsGhost 20:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- There was never a consensus to add the UN trivia in any case, so we've made that rod for our own backs. Stephen 22:34, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per GreatCaesarsGhost -Gouleg🛋️ /hound 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose This month's theme is going to be about rearranging furniture on a certain doomed vessel I guess. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support Thank you, User:Hildeoc for leading this discussion. As I alluded to in the discussion under #March 11 on this page (this one: "#(Posted) Expanding Russian invasion of Ukraine bulletpoint (March edition)"), the link to Russia's invasion of Ukraine needs to be more prominent than the link to Shane Warne. A blurb change to reflect the changing situation may also be sensible, since this isn't an isolated bombing that can be pinpointed to a single day (or hour, or even month), but rather a series of bombings over a series of very notable cities. It may be worth noting that "
The Biden administration bans imports of Russian oil, gas and coal to the United States.(CBS) (Politico)
" rather than highlighting older news about United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-11/1 (on March 2), which seems as though it's due to roll out of the "WP:ITN" anyway. -- RobLa (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC) - Comment (OP) – Of course, I'd be fine with
The Russian invasion of Ukraine is ...
as well.--Hildeoc (talk) 10:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Move Russian invasion of Ukraine to ongoing
There is already a consensus that the Russian invasion will move to ongoing when it drops off the bottom of the blurbs. It is not holding anything up as there are no new stories to be posted at the moment. Stephen 22:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Chidgk1 (talk · give credit)
Article updatedNominator's comments: To make room for other news items. Probably no need for "2022" Chidgk1 (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support for same reasons I supported it before, it's an ongoing event, so should be on ongoing. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for the umpteenth time. It's a major event that is currently blurbed. It will drop off the ITN blurb list when the next news item gets approved and then it will go to ongoing. I don't think we will even need a nomination for that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's not an actual rule, no matter how many times people try and invoke it. This event should be on ongoing, as it's an ongoing event. The blurb for it is stale- like most of the ITN box. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Wait But fasttrack the next dead "legend", old or not, we need closure. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Conditional Support - not while it has a blurb, and I don't think we should pull the blurb early. Assuming the invasion is still ongoing when the blurb will be other wise pushed off, then I support it to ongoing. — xaosflux 15:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Question Can we at least go back to four items while we wait for a fresher legend than Dino the Popcorn Man? InedibleHulk (talk) 16:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Comrade Putin's attempt to turn the clock back to 1939 remains far & away the No. 1 story worldwide. I'm sure Vlad the Invader et al. would be only too pleased to see it relegated from the Main Page "headlines" to the comparative obscurity of Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- My reason for proposing this is to be able to add one of the consequences of war rejected below. I may propose one of them again tomorrow - meanwhile I hope some industrious Americans will improve them as I sleep. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:54, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Putin is a capitalist and has no intention on bringing back the Soviet Union. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 19:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- It was an ostensible capitalist who invaded a neighboring country in 1939. The other guy went along for the ride. – Sca (talk) 19:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support, if not today, then make sure that it happens as soon as it is pushed off of ITN by more recent events. The eyes of the world are on this situation. Side note - Speculation about Putin's motivations or worldviews are not pertinent to whether or not this is a story appropriate to categorize as "Ongoing". Thanks to all for their contributions. KConWiki (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and close as no reason has been provided to reopen this settled discussion. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:48, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Will major future developments in the war be considered for blurbs, or will nothing other than its conclusion be considered important enough for that? Jim Michael (talk) 21:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, major incidents and developments will always be considered. Stephen 22:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose
To make room for other news items
? My understanding is that it rolls off ITN as soon as new blurbs are posted, just like any other hook. As such, it's literally impossible for a hook to be 'blocking' the ability to have more news items, unless editors oppose any other reasonable nomination on the basis that this hook stays up (in which case, evidence?). Otherwise you're just advocating pulling a blurb that is actually in the news, because ... ? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Russia in the European energy sector
No consensus to post any of the three items, as they are parts of the already-posted blurb. --Tone 13:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: Russia in the European energy sector (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Europe considers stopping buying Russian oil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Russia threatens to cut gas supply to Europe.
Alternative blurb II: Prices increase as oil and gas flows from Russia to Europe are disrupted.
News source(s):
Credits:
- Nominated by Chidgk1 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL; The gas flow to Europe hasn't stopped yet. Might be newsworthy if it actually is cut, however currently everything is just speculation. DNVIC (talk) 07:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- It is already newsworthy enough for the major news companies linked above. Although it seems unlikely that Germany will boycott Russian oil they have done several unlikely things over the past week already. The guideline you link to includes "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about ... whether some development will occur". The gas flow has not completely stopped and may not, but according to the DW source one pipeline has stopped already. That and the speculation of more has increased many people's gas or petrol bills - maybe even yours. Some people are interested in news which is already increasing their bills. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:58, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose as WP:SPECULATION. If most/all of Europe cuts off their gas supply from Russia, that would be big news. But it hasn't happened yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose So, Europe considers stopping its purchase or Russia threatens to cut supplies? Let's first wait to see which one of these two happens and then re-consider it for posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL
and WP:SPECULATION. This hasn't happened yet: and when it does, then we will reconsider it. I suggest close. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)- Slashed WP:SPECULATION as I have just learned they are the same thing. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Incremental development of an ongoing news story -- and WP:CRYSTAL to boot.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Food prices
Article: Food prices (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Food prices increase due to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Prices of food, gold and oil increase substantially due to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.
News source(s): https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/7/soaring-food-prices-threaten-emerging-market-currencies
https://www.just-food.com/news/world-food-prices-reach-new-heights-with-ukraine-conflict-not-yet-fully-factored/
Credits:
- Nominated by Chidgk1 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose and close we don't need two nominations for very similar things. Food prices increase all the time. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and speedy close per Joseph2302. This is a normal thing; maybe not for the normal reasons, but inflation happens literally all the time. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Support altblurb. Expand to include major price increases of other things, including gold & oil - the latter of which on Sunday night spiked to its highest level since 2008. Put all of this in one blurb. Perhaps merge this nom with the one above. Jim Michael (talk) 13:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose It is a part of the invasion. There are well documented reasons why both food and gas prices have jumped due to the invasion. --Masem (t) 13:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Incremental development of an ongoing news story.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Ukrainian refugee crisis
Article: Ukrainian refugee crisis (talk · history · tag)Blurb: Millions of people flee the Russo-Ukrainian War. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/flow-refugees-ukraine-rises-2-million-people-unhcr-head-says-2022-03-08/
Credits:
- Nominated by Chidgk1 (talk · give credit)
- Question The war is obviously a crisis, but is the refugee situation itself a crisis yet? I see a quote in the article that it could become one, but currently it seems neighbouring countries had prepared for this many and are handling it about as well as such things go. That's not to diminish the alleged unequal treatment, but I think "crisis" might be a bit much, this soon. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have an opinion on the name of the article - anyway it is not used in the blurb Chidgk1 (talk) 10:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm more worried about linking to an inaccurate article, by any pipe. It's not just the title. The situation is described as a crisis throughout, alongside several ways these refugees have it easier than past refugees under new regulations. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Edited article to add official cite for "crisis" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-exodus-is-fastest-growing-refugee-crisis-europe-since-ww2-unhcr-chief-2022-03-06 Chidgk1 (talk) 10:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- A solid tweet, carry on. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Edited article to add official cite for "crisis" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-exodus-is-fastest-growing-refugee-crisis-europe-since-ww2-unhcr-chief-2022-03-06 Chidgk1 (talk) 10:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm more worried about linking to an inaccurate article, by any pipe. It's not just the title. The situation is described as a crisis throughout, alongside several ways these refugees have it easier than past refugees under new regulations. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have an opinion on the name of the article - anyway it is not used in the blurb Chidgk1 (talk) 10:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- This should probably be posted when it becomes the "biggest migration crisis (in Europe) since WW2", passing the peak 1.3 million migrants in 2015. 188.27.42.181 (talk) 10:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's apparently reached 2 million, according to a UN report: (also noted by BBC in their live ticker ). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Although according to our List of largest refugee crises, there are 3 ongoing refugee crises that are larger than this. The biggest one being the Refugees of the Syrian civil war. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- That says fastest, not biggest, totally different superlative. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
So everyone, if your questions have been answered, do you support or oppose? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Some good stuff here, but also much misleading, speculative and opinionated stuff, mostly covered by the invasion article. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Looking at the invasion article you are right the section there needs trimming now this article exists - I will take a look. Please could you tag exactly where the problems in this article are so people can fix them.Chidgk1 (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Too many places. From "largest" to multiple "could", "would" and "will" to "grave" and "phenomenal". Just look around. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have now deleted the detail from 2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Refugees as you suggested. If you could tag exactly where the most serious problems are with this article I suspect they will be fixed quickly by other editors. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's not what I suggested. Williams' "quote" and suggestion of IDPs isn't in the citation. That's serious enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out - I think the editor who added it cited the "live" section of the newspaper which has since been updated - replaced with a stable cite. If there are other problems could you possibly tag exactly where on the article itself rather than here in case I am not available to fix them - there seem to be a lot of editors actively improving it. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's not what I suggested. Williams' "quote" and suggestion of IDPs isn't in the citation. That's serious enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have now deleted the detail from 2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Refugees as you suggested. If you could tag exactly where the most serious problems are with this article I suspect they will be fixed quickly by other editors. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Too many places. From "largest" to multiple "could", "would" and "will" to "grave" and "phenomenal". Just look around. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Looking at the invasion article you are right the section there needs trimming now this article exists - I will take a look. Please could you tag exactly where the problems in this article are so people can fix them.Chidgk1 (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the article has tag for needs to be updated, and the "Alleged unequal treatment at the borders" is massively WP:UNDUE as it's about half the article text. I'm not convinced that even if the article is fixed, then it should be posted (I'm neutral, leaning oppose on this)- there have been many mass migrations, and we wouldn't even consider posting this if it weren't in Europe (we didn't post the Syrian one after all). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- You are right that section was a bit too large - have trimmed. I suspect most "in the news" articles need update as the news develops - I only tagged it a few hours ago but if no one updates it I will delete the Netherlands section as it only has one reliable source. I did not know about "in the news" at the time but as I live in the country with the most Syrian refugees I would have strongly supported it. There are several other editors on this article so if you could tag exactly where the most serious remaining problems are I expect they will be fixed quickly. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Will be part of the invasion ongoing. --Masem (t) 13:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry I don't quite understand - could you explain more fully? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Incremental development of an ongoing news story.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
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