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::No comment on the underlying question about proxying, but "Still a member of the community?" is such a vague statement such that I don't think it can be a policy basis for this, or for anything else. For one, 'community' is so poorly defined (is a driveby IP editor suggesting a change on talk a 'member of the community'?). We should refrain from vague notions like these in policy IMO. If we're trying to restrict or empower certain groups of editors then the groups and the privileges should be clearly defined, otherwise we're writing meaningless statements that everyone will interpret in different ways. ] (]) 22:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC) ::No comment on the underlying question about proxying, but "Still a member of the community?" is such a vague statement such that I don't think it can be a policy basis for this, or for anything else. For one, 'community' is so poorly defined (is a driveby IP editor suggesting a change on talk a 'member of the community'?). We should refrain from vague notions like these in policy IMO. If we're trying to restrict or empower certain groups of editors then the groups and the privileges should be clearly defined, otherwise we're writing meaningless statements that everyone will interpret in different ways. ] (]) 22:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
::I wouldn't put too much stock in that arbitration request. My desysop request is mostly unrelated to ArbCom, and it centers on my prior lack of activity, resulting in my feeling a little too out of touch with community norms and circumstances that have evolved since I was more active. "Proxying" has been used as a nose of wax concept that is molded to suit the situation. I will give this advice: if you are a free thinker, be careful not to cross the conventional "wisdom" that is created by groupthink-prone organizations, such as ArbCom, if you wish to have power around here. I prefer to do my own thing and not have power. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC) ::I wouldn't put too much stock in that arbitration request. My desysop request is mostly unrelated to ArbCom, and it centers on my prior lack of activity, resulting in my feeling a little too out of touch with community norms and circumstances that have evolved since I was more active. "Proxying" has been used as a nose of wax concept that is molded to suit the situation. I will give this advice: if you are a free thinker, be careful not to cross the conventional "wisdom" that is created by groupthink-prone organizations, such as ArbCom, if you wish to have power around here. I prefer to do my own thing and not have power. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

== Digvijaysinhji Mori ==

Hello, you blocked Digvijaysinhji Mori for 1 month for OWN violation, but they also made a legal threat. Please look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Digvijaysinhji_Mori&diff=next&oldid=1076621554 ] (]) 05:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
: Actually, legal threat was withdrawn in a later edit, was going to remove this thread but I will leave it here just in case. ] (]) 05:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Naleksuh, thanks! :) Yeah, I had seen that after the block and chose not to address it for now, as it was retracted after a warning. It just confirms the block reason. ] (]) 05:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


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Community banned users allowed to email?

Hey mate! I've got some questions for ya. I just received an email from a community banned user, raising an issue in some article. I checked the article and the info in question was not sourced, not BLP tho. 1. Am I allowed to improve the same and/or start a talk page discussion (to ask/tag others who might be able to source it)? This doesn't seem WP:PROXYING to me as I independently verified that the issue exists. 2. Are community banned users allowed to email other users with such errors? 3. If I resolve the unsourced issue, and if I receive another email in the future with another issue somewhere, will this now be WP:PROXYING? Thanks ;) — DaxServer (t · c · m) 19:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi DaxServer! 😊
First of all, my position about proxying, banning et cetera is usually stricter than others'. For example, I'd long have said that a truly community-site-banned user is no longer part of the community and shouldn't be allowed to communicate with members of the community that has thrown them out. That used to be reflected by the table at WP:BANBLOCKDIFF, but when I actually told a community-banned user that they're no longer part of the community, Swarm (if I remember correctly) complainingly asked for the policy basis of that statement, and the policy basis was later actually removed by ProcrastinatingReader.
In November 2021, there was a discussion about perceived "proxying" for a blocked user allegedly done by Gerda Arendt, generalized at Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_170#WP:PROXYING_(banning_policy):_Clarification_needed. I think the gist of that discussion is that "proxying" is generally not seen as a problem unless the resulting edits are actually problematic.
If it was a BLP – and I guess that's why you specifically point out that it isn't –, the answer would be obvious and simple: Of course, you can remove or discuss that material. As it isn't a BLP, the answer may not be as obvious, but to me personally, it still is "yes". The volunteers at IRC and the public-facing email queues probably do this all the time, removing material that actually lacks a citation and is challenged off-wiki. Whether a banned user wrote the e-mail or not is a matter of their own disclosure; they could probably easily have chosen not to identify themselves in their request. And we're building an encyclopedia after all, so if your work truly improves the encyclopedia, I'd say go ahead. I might not say that to a new user, but I trust your judgement.
Note, though, that some community-banned users can be highly deceptive and may trick you into accepting their point of view even when this point of view is at odds with the community's view. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_13#Arbitration_motions_from_the_declined_case_request_Warsaw_concentration_camp contains a note about Jehochman's self-requested desysop that should, depending on who the community-banned user is, make you very careful when dealing with banned users' input.
Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
No comment on the underlying question about proxying, but "Still a member of the community?" is such a vague statement such that I don't think it can be a policy basis for this, or for anything else. For one, 'community' is so poorly defined (is a driveby IP editor suggesting a change on talk a 'member of the community'?). We should refrain from vague notions like these in policy IMO. If we're trying to restrict or empower certain groups of editors then the groups and the privileges should be clearly defined, otherwise we're writing meaningless statements that everyone will interpret in different ways. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I wouldn't put too much stock in that arbitration request. My desysop request is mostly unrelated to ArbCom, and it centers on my prior lack of activity, resulting in my feeling a little too out of touch with community norms and circumstances that have evolved since I was more active. "Proxying" has been used as a nose of wax concept that is molded to suit the situation. I will give this advice: if you are a free thinker, be careful not to cross the conventional "wisdom" that is created by groupthink-prone organizations, such as ArbCom, if you wish to have power around here. I prefer to do my own thing and not have power. Jehochman 17:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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