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Whitewashing of negative reviews

Attempts have been made by User talk:Alessiorom13 to remove any and all negative reviews from major publications such as The New York Times, Vulture, Variety and The New York Post and instead highlight favorable reviews from less established sources. The majority of critics disliked the show according to "Did They Like it". The show has its admirers but they are not the majority nor are they part of an established theatrical consensus. I hope this has been made in error but please refrain from continuing to remove any sourced material that may or may not be unfavorable to the production. Respectfully The One I Left (talk) 02:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

There's a clear biased view coming from you when you are highlighting the negative parts of the reviews and putting those parts on a microscope. That's not how Misplaced Pages works. As you can see from for example on:(https://www.show-score.com/broadway-shows/mj) It has a majority positive average review of 84 out of 100. Give a clear reason why those small portion should be highlighted like that. Alessiorom13 (talk) 08:10, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

There's a clear bias in how you've reverted negative reviews and the specific wording of your additional edits. The show score is based on 253 AUDIENCE reviews not reviews from critics. The show has been praised by technical aspects however the show has received negative reviews from established theatre critics. If you see:(https://didtheylikeit.com/shows/mj-the-musical/) the critical consensus is overwhelmingly mixed to negative. You can say the audience has praised the show but the established critics have not. Please stop edit warring, as you are a new user, you are highlighting overly positive reviews from unestablished sources. The One I Left (talk) 11:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion needed before making such a drastic change. I am open to other peoples opinion, so im lookin forward to more people coming in this talk page. As I stated the majority of the reviews as proven are positive. You are focusing on the negative parts of positive reviews or just negative reviews in general. Discuss first in the talk page. Are you new to Misplaced Pages? Alessiorom13 (talk) 11:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

You seem to be new to editing Misplaced Pages based on your edits and you're clear bias towards sanitizing this page. Looks like you've only contributed to a few articles in 2021. So a fresh editor I see...Yes, Audience reviews have been positive, but the critical reviews have not. You have to make that distinction. Did you even look at the link (https://didtheylikeit.com/shows/mj-the-musical/). You cannot talk about Michael Jackson or the show without talking about Jackson's sexual abuse allegations. Jesse Green, theatre critic for The New York Times and other prominent critics have written many reviews and pieces about this subject. There is pure bias in your edits, "Majority of the negative reviews for MJ: The Musical are regarding concerns that the allegations are not being addressed" This is factually untrue. Nearly every professional critic has in fact mentioned them but also criticized other aspects of the show. The One I Left (talk) 11:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

The critical reviews have also been highly positive as you can tell from the source I just posted which has a 84/100 positive rating among critics. Even on the "didtheylikeit" link you mentioned(which only has a few reviews to begin with) only has around 30% that are negative. That's not a majority. Far from it. Alessiorom13 (talk) 11:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

TheWikiholic what do you think? Am I wrong. I'm seeing a 84 out of 100 rating of positive reviews. I don't see how his version is fair and unbiased. Considering the extremely high positive reviews on for example:(https://www.show-score.com/broadway-shows/mj) and so on. Alessiorom13 (talk) 11:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Show score, looks like its based again, off of AUDIENCE reviews and not Professional Critics! Thats why there are 253 reviewers. Did they like it is based of professional critics with 5 giving it a mixed review, and 6 giving it a negative review. The minority is in the positive review among professional critics.The One I Left (talk) 11:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I will be offline for a bit. But I'm seeing mostly positive reviews from both critics and the general public. Also how come for example the new york times gets special treatment, but not other socres Alessiorom13 (talk) 11:58, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

In New York Theatre, The New York Times is king, it's the most important. But also I did in fact source other lead critics but you reverted them trying to sanitize the page. I added Vulture, Variety, The New York Post and others. Again, not argument that audience is favorable, but professional theatre critics aren't. The One I Left (talk) 12:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

The negative parts of those reviews are not about the show itself but rather their personal views of Jackson based on the allegations. Should we only include reviews which actually focus on the show not the author's personal feelings about Jackson? The reviews you mentions basically say: the show does not call Jackson a pedophile therefore the show is bad. I am not sure what value these reviews add to the page about the show itself, it's like if someone had written about not liking Jackson's face and call that a review of the musical. There is no wiki rule that dictates that the New York Times's opinion is more important than other publications'. It's also not true that "You cannot talk about Michael Jackson or the show without talking about Jackson's sexual abuse allegations." You most certainly can and the show is not about the allegations. castorbailey (talk) 15:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Those aren’t reviews about the content of the show itself and should not and will not be added to the page. I oppose adding anything that’s not a real review.TruthGuardians (talk) 14:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I've read the reviews from the four publications above. None of them actually did a review about the show, only brought up the sexual abuse allegation raised against Jackson after one year of the set period of the shows. The first abuse allegation levied against Jackson took place in 1993. How is it possible to include allegations against Jackson when the show is set in 1992 with flashbacks of previous years from that point? I support the exclusion and removal of said sentiments that are not real show reviews.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:34, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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