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LGBTQ+ studies Project‑class

This page is of interest to WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBTQ-related issues on Misplaced Pages. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBTQ+ studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesLGBTQ+ studies Project This page does not require a rating on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.

Featured Article Save Award for Natalie Clifford Barney

There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article review/Natalie Clifford Barney/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status.

Cherry Valentine

Project members are invited to review Cherry Valentine ahead of a possible Good article nomination. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I've nominated the article for Good status if any project members are interested in reviewing. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Problem with offensive slurs as redirects

Hello everyone. Recently, while browsing Misplaced Pages, I have found redirects titled "Trans f*g" (censured here to now disturb readers). Such redirects shouldn't be present on Misplaced Pages, as they are slurs, and part of the hate speech, and created by transphobic and homophobic people. This brought to my attention, that we should make sure, that this isn't a bigger precedence, and check if there are any other such hateful redirects on Misplaced Pages, and if we find them, delete them. Thank you for your attention, sincerely, Artemis Andromeda (talk) 21:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Artemis Andromeda: Sorry, Misplaced Pages is not censored. 154.20.213.253 (talk) 03:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@154.20.213.253: It's true that Misplaced Pages does not censor encyclopedic material solely on the grounds of being objectionable. However, we regularly delete content when it is offensive and has no apparent benefit to the encyclopedia. A redirect being "offensive or abusive" is a valid criteria for deleting it (specifically #3). For this reason, the redirect Trans fag → Transgender sexuality was speedy-deleted (RfD) a day after Artemis left his original comment.

We do have various legitimate articles about slurs, and redirects containing such, but importantly, those redirects point toward material focused on the slurs themselves, and don't treat them as if they were neutral synonyms for the groups they are a pejorative for. For example, the redirect Faggy → Faggot (slang) is fine, whereas it would obviously be unacceptable if it redirected to an article about gay men. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 04:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Maud Molyneux, trans French actress

I created a draft for Maud Molyneux. She was quite active in the French nightlife scene in the 1970s and 1980s. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 02:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Do some LGBT articles on Main need a disambiguation pointing here?

should LGBT community (Start) and Queer studies (C class), LGBT (B class) as an indirect advertisement of the LGBT+ WP community?

( i would be in favour of if you want to help on LGBT articles go here, but I think I am in the minority)(

Also do you think the classes on the above three articles look too low? Wakelamp db (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Both of those articles already "indirectly" link here by virtue of being rated as articles within this project on their talk pages, so I would say that disambiguatory links leading here from the tops of the articles aren't necessary since they already have project boxes on their talk pages. As for the ratings, the thing is that while articles are initially "rated" as of the time the talk page gets created, Wikipedians actually have very little if any follow-through on reassessing articles for rating changes as the articles grow and develop. In truth, the only consistently reliable takeaway you can glean from any article's talk page "rating" is what class the article was initially created at, because nobody's actually doing the work of comprehensively reviewing already-rated articles with an eye to revising the class ratings they were given at the start. That's a universal issue with Misplaced Pages in general, not a failing unique to those two articles. Bearcat (talk) 12:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Question regarding standard treatment for gender dysphoria

At Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine the question has been raised whether there is a general professional standard for the treatment of gender dysphoria. (The Society disputes the validity and effectiveness of the affirmative care model.) More expertise on this question (and more eyes on the page) would be helpful. Newimpartial (talk) 14:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Biography

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Neopronouns RfC , which is within the scope of this WikiProject. This discussion is an RfC on allowing use of neopronouns in articles and may be of interest to project members. Thanks. Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

What about Dylan Mulvaney?

Does anyone think Dylan Mulvaney should have a Misplaced Pages article? Dwanyewest (talk) 05:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I’m not convinced that she’s much beyond the WP:BLP1E threshold yet. I’m not seeing much in the way of significant coverage from reliable sources in the first 3 pages of a google of her and what’s there is mostly (vastly mostly) bigots complaining that she even exists. So at the moment I’d not expect an article on her to survive a CSD-A7 challenge, let alone an AfD, and I’d expect it to be a magnet for every GC in the world to maliciously edit. But I could easily be proved wrong by a good draftspace article being created first, so of course YMMV. — Trey Maturin has spoken 21:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Pregnancy

There is currently a rather raucous discussion taking place about whether to mention Trans pregnancy in the lead section of the article. Newimpartial (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Breast_binding:Talk

I started a discussion proposing changing the title of "Breast binding" to "Chest binding." I am curious to see what people think about changing it. Iscargra (talk) 12:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Question maybe looking for a consensus

Hello, I'm not a member of this project, and despite being an ally outside of Misplaced Pages I don't usually edit LGBT related articles, it's primarily sports. But I do have a question that potentially falls under both. Even if you aren't a football fan, I'm sure most people have heard of Aaron Hernandez, the former NFL player who was convicted of murder and killed himself in prison. A recent edit to the page got me thinking, is there a specific policy or consensus of when LGBT related categories are added to a page? I'm asking this because Hernandez himself never publicly came out as gay while he was still alive but a multitude of people that knew him have said he was. I don't think WP:NFL is a good place for this discussion because this specific thing isn't related to his football career. I guess what I'm asking is should he have LGBT related categories on his page despite never coming out himself?--Rockchalk717 16:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:LGBT/Scope

I've created a new project sub-page at WP:LGBT/Scope (linked to from WP:LGBT/Editing), discussing when and how to tag articles as in scope for WP:LGBT. Input from other editors is welcome.--Trystan (talk) 15:02, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Death of Pratima Goankar

Hello all, I've started a page for the Death of Pratima Goankar, an Indian interesex athlete who died by suicide in 2001. I was wondering if project members could give it a read - I don't think I've written a page who someone identified as intersex previously. Also, if anyone can find her date of death, I'd be very grateful - it might be paywalled in here? Many thanks (will cross-post to Women in Red too) Lajmmoore (talk) 07:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Josephine Baker LGBT Category Tags?

I tried to start this discussion a few months ago on the Josephine Baker page but no one has responded. Maybe as a result I should just make a bold edit? But while she is undoubtedly a queer icon (sources at the GLBT Historical Society in San Francisco, for example, discuss drag queens modeling themselves after her in the 1960s, and more recently she's been paid homage on RuPaul's Drag Race), there is no extant evidence that she herself identified or engaged in any same-sex activity. She actively disavowed homosexuals during her lifetime, going so far as to disown one of her children when he came out. This of course isn't necessarily proof, as there's been plenty of examples of internalized homophobia in history. But I couple this with tracing claims as to her sexuality. I've followed all the sources that are listed in her article alluding to same-sex relationships and found that they all lead to a single, likely dubious source. They do not present any unique evidence, they just claim the one source as valid, which sort of hides the fact that all of this stems from one throwaway sentence in a biography written by someone who had a complicated relationship with her, who also stood to benefit by cloaking her in exotic mystique. One wrinkle here is that I do not read French, and since Baker spent most of her life in France there may exist more concrete evidence in French-language sources.

With all this in mind, I would like to untag her as an LGBT actress/individual until such time that more concrete sources are brought forward. To me, it feels irresponsible to make that claim on her behalf without having solid proof, and from what I see there is none. Sevey13 (talk) 05:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

her putative foster son wrote a biography in which he says she was bisexual. It seems that is the premise upon which the categories are applied. If there is good reason to doubt such a biography and the secondary sources, such as Marjorie Garber's, that cite it, then we can doubt it. Per WP:EGRS there must be a verified consensus of reliable published sources that the description is appropriate. I am not seeing a consensus here, off-hand; without it we must remove the categories. Elizium23 (talk) 05:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for chiming in. I think the point about consensus is the most important here. Setting aside opinions about the historicity of Jean-Claude's biography, the fact that every source I followed pointed back to that singular biography is the signal to me that there is no consensus. Then again there may be a source in French which says different. Sevey13 (talk) 01:08, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Breast binding#Requested move 2 November 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Breast binding#Requested move 2 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

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