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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: RM, Salafi → Salafism, Moved to Salafi movement, 3 March 2013, Talk:Salafi movement/Archive 3 § Requested move RM, Salafi movement → Salafism, No consensus, 19 November 2014, Talk:Salafi movement/Archive 5 § Requested move 19 November 2014

Innovation

On this page, there is a section called innovation. The content present in that section is not written explicitly or rather anywhere near it in the reference given below. The reference is a question answer of Salafi site, in which also no clear mention of things written in the content is present. The way it was written is a totally self styled definition which is prohibited according to[REDACTED] guidelines. The reference should be a material in which these things are written explicitly. Then only one can provide the information on wikipedia. I am going to remove it if it doesn't get any proper reference. If anyone has problem then talk. Thank You Khalidwarrior (talk) 15:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Persistent undoing of edits in the Sweden section

I have better things to do with my time than creating a Misplaced Pages account and becoming an "editor". The user 1Kwords has persistently and spitefully undone a legitimate edit of the section on Sweden, hiding behind Misplaced Pages policies of one form or another. The claim "Salafists in Sweden are supported financially by Saudi Arabia and Qatar" is utterly devoid of evidence. Nothing! "It was said in a newspaper article so it must be true because a newspaper article is the source in this case" is the sum of the position evident from 1Kwords' persistent, petty undoing of edits. First of all 1Kwords claimed that "Magnus Ranstorp said it" - NOT TRUE. Next, 1Kwords attempted to protest that Magnus Ranstorp is an "expert" (irrelevant). If anyone anywhere in the world wants to make the claim that Saudi Arabia or Qatar financially supports any Salafis anywhere, let them bring one of two things: either a verified document proving the transfer of money, or a person who would swear in court on oath 'yes we received money from so-and-so'. Failing that, "a newspaper said it" is a pathetic, untenable position. This whole farce serves to underline Misplaced Pages's junk status, and that Wiki editors are pretentious pedants who hide behind absurd policies and use said policies to pursue an Islam-hating agenda.

An article by some crazy "NewageIslam" website states: "Saudi Arabia has funded the construction of some mosques in Sweden . There had also been rising number of Salafists in the country." Yet again, the claim of "financial support" is made and....there is no evidence for it. None, nothing, nil.

Requested move 21 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. No such user (talk) 11:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Salafi movement → Salafism – The term Salafism is much commonly used than Salafi movement in WP:RS sources. In the Google Ngrams results, Salafism overcomes Salafi movement, Salafist movement and Salafiyya combined. The much-more reliable Google Scholars shows only 1,430 results for Salafist movement, 4,900 results for Salafi movement, and 7,210 results for Salafiyya. However, Google Scholars shows 20,000 results for Salafism, which alone predates Salafi movement, Salafist movement and Salafiyya in Google Scholars as well. Thus, it can be concluded that Salafism is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME. TheArmenianHistorian ((talk), 22:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 23:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

• Support In addition, Salafi movement excludes consideration of the ideology itself, as opposed to just its adherents Galagora (talk) 11:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
• This move was requested by a sockpuppet which has subsequently been blocked. A previous request to move to the suggested title with a great deal more discussion can be found at Talk:Salafi movement/Archive 5#Requested move 19 November 2014. Dekimasuよ! 06:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Primarily because Salafiyya is not a monolithic ideology and there are Salafis of various orientations who differ with each other over a broad range of religious issues. It is a trans-national religious movement with certain similarities but also significant divergences. In addition other religious movements like Deobandi, Barelvi, etc. are not named as "isms" in wikipedia. shadowwarrior8 ((talk), 8:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Ex-Salafis section?

There’s a section titled “Ex-Salafis”, in the plural, with one singular name, and he is given a paragraph of his explanation for leaving the Salafi movement? This doesn’t make much sense, especially as the section on prominent Salafists simply lists their names and a brief background. 2600:4040:2867:EB00:B489:D546:BF0B:5FC8 (talk) 12:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. That material was heavily undue. I've removed it and relocated a heavily summarized version of applicable material in the relevant criticism section. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:52, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Problematic tone changes

The changes introduced in this series of edits and this later edit are problematic. I've reverted the latter and am of half a mind to revert the former, though the problems there are not so severe. Overall, these edits are clearly indicative of efforts to gentrify the Salafi movement and denigrate other Islamic groups in a way that distinctly shifts the page away from neutrality. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:14, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, this edits are hardly covered by historical evidence or scholarly conensus but a reflection of Salafi-Self identity. Have overlooked this. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 14:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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