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	:One at a time, pls. Let's first agree whether we can ammend the last name to reflect the family he came from. --] 18:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)		:One at a time, pls. Let's first agree whether we can ammend the last name to reflect the family he came from. --] 18:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
	::A straw poll ? This is really stupid, I know. --]<sup>]</sup> 19:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)		::A straw poll ? This is really stupid, I know. --]<sup>]</sup> 19:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

			== Requested move 12 March 2023 ==

			{{requested move/dated\|Povilas Alšėniškis}}

			] → {{no redirect\|Povilas Alšėniškis}} – He was a ] and Lithuanian version of his name is ''Povilas Alšėniškis'' (e.g. see: ) which is the ] (19,000 results in Google search). The Polish variant of his name ''Paweł Holszański'' gives only 12,200 results in Google search, so such ] of a Lithuanian noble name here is absolutely unjustified per ] (e.g. ], etc.). ''Povilas Alšėniškis'' currently is a redirect page, thus this renaming should be performed by an administrator. -- ] (]) 14:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC) <small>''This is a contested technical request'' (]).  — ] (]) 23:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)</small>
			*It seems like there was enough doubt at RMTR as to whether this was Uncontroversial, that if should be discussed. {{ping\|Pofka\|Robertsky\|Marcelus}}  — ] (]) 23:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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Notable?

Paweł Holszański -wikipedia google search of English pages gives exactly zero hits. Two links that pop-up are irrelevant to whoever this is. Please prove notabiliuty before removing the tag. --Irpen 06:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually as notable as any Polish magnate in this project is. The Olshansky were a great family, rather Lithuanian than Polish, though. --Ghirla 08:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Very well, I think any magnate is indeed notable. It was nopt clear to me from the article. Perhaps an unusual spelling? Anyway, thanks. --Irpen 08:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe that to you Irpen and Ghirlandajo it should be no surprise that particular user is pushing his polish pov. M.K. 09:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, he would be notable if he wasn't Polish, but now that he is nothing can be done. Being a prince and a bishop of the second largest bishopric in Central Europe at the time is not enough to be notable. One would apparently have to be a Russian Orthodox bishop to be notable enough, right? //Halibu tt 19:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Was he really Polish? What about Ruthenian name? Polish language was not officialy used in GDL at the time Alšėniškai/Olshanski lived Iulius 07:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt, I apologize for doubting his notability but it was not fully my fault. Due to the unusual way his name is spelled, it received zero (!) counts in google when I restricted the search to English sites. By doubts of notability vanished as soon as I figured that he was of Olshanski family. For my non-trained mind the connection between Holszański and Olshanski is not straightforward. --Irpen 07:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Since he was a Lithuanian magnate, wouldn't Olshanski/y be better then Holszański?--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 18:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussed and, hopefully, resolved at talk:Olshanski. --Irpen 18:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Alšėniškiai leads to Olshanski. It's poor editing, isn't it? Xx236 08:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Paweł is Polish writing. Any sources? Xx236 08:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Vilnius?

Xx236 11:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

One at a time, pls. Let's first agree whether we can ammend the last name to reflect the family he came from. --Irpen 18:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

A straw poll ? This is really stupid, I know. --Lysy 19:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move 12 March 2023

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Paweł Holszański → Povilas Alšėniškis – He was a Lithuanian noble and Lithuanian version of his name is Povilas Alšėniškis (e.g. see: Lithuanian encyclopedic source) which is the WP:COMMONNAME (19,000 results in Google search). The Polish variant of his name Paweł Holszański gives only 12,200 results in Google search, so such Polonization of a Lithuanian noble name here is absolutely unjustified per Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines (e.g. WP:NPOV, etc.). Povilas Alšėniškis currently is a redirect page, thus this renaming should be performed by an administrator. -- Pofka (talk) 14:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Amakuru (talk) 23:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

It seems like there was enough doubt at RMTR as to whether this was Uncontroversial, that if should be discussed. @Pofka, Robertsky, and Marcelus: — Amakuru (talk) 23:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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