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Sam Smith

Hi Burvegas. Don't worry. You are not in any trouble here but I do want to ask you to be a bit more careful when editing. When you edited Sam Smith you changed some spellings from UK English to US English. That is not appropriate for that particular article as it uses UK English. Articles can use either but we should be consistent within each article. Normally we use US English for articles about North American subjects and UK English for articles about British subjects. You are also changing the quote styles. That's not necessary, and it must be a lot of work, so I recommend not to do that. Finally, you changed some gender pronouns. I assume that was a mistake. Smith uses they/them pronouns so the grammar was correct before. I've put the article back to the way it was before but please don't be discouraged. Misplaced Pages is complicated and it is normal to make a few mistakes when getting started. DanielRigal (talk) 14:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

• A couple of additional things to note from the WP:Manual of Style. First, logical quotation is the accepted style for quotation marks in all articles, regardless of the variety of English. This means punctuation goes inside the quotation marks only if it is part of the quotation. Second, make sure to use straight quotation marks, not the angled or styled quotation marks, in articles. That may not look right, but it helps Misplaced Pages users who use screen readers. —C.Fred (talk) 15:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023

I have reverted your edits to Kay Parker because they changed the dates away from the preferred date format. Parker was British, so the British date format—day month year—should be used in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 11:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Please do not use styles that are nonstandard, unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in The Andy Griffith Show. There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Not only did your edits break the logical quotation marks standard, but they added a curly quotation mark, which should not be used. —C.Fred (talk) 01:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I am an expert of The Andy Griffith Show. I noticed several errors and wanted to help by correcting those errors. Burvegas (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Please read what is being explained to you. It has nothing to do with what you are an expert in, nor is it intended to deter you from "correcting errors". What it is doing is telling you that we have an existing (and extensive) Manual of Style. Just as any publication will expect you comply with their preferred MoS, so do we. We don't expect you to have it memorized, understanding that you are new here; but when you are reverted on the basis of something that we have an established style for, it will usually be pointed out to you. Any editor reverting you should tell you why, and sometimes (as in the above instance), they will post a notice to your talk page. At that point, we expect that the style guide issue has been pointed out to you and you will be expected to follow it in the future. If you're uncertain, or don't understand, you did right to reply to it. However, an editor may not be alerted to your response on your own talk page unless you ping them. In that case, you can reply to notify a specific user by using markup like this: {{ping|username}}. For example, {{ping|ButlerBlog}} would ping me, thus notifying me of your response. You can also ask questions in the Tea House (WP:TEA). That's the place to ask questions and learn. ButlerBlog (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages, as you did at John McLiam, you may be blocked from editing. Not only are you using improper punctuation, but now you're introducing spelling inconsistencies. —C.Fred (talk) 01:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make disruptive edits to Misplaced Pages contrary to the Manual of Style, as you did at Kat Stewart. —C.Fred (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand.

Is it a violation to correct punctuation and the date format? Burvegas (talk) 08:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/quotation-marks/

Here are the rules on punctuation with quotation marks.

March 18, 2023 Burvegas (talk) 08:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Date formats are not always Americanized (MDY). In the case of Kat Stewart, because it has national ties to Australia where the date format is DMY, not an Americanized MDY. See MOS:DATETIES for our style guide on this. When editing, follow the current format of the existing article. Also, if you are uncertain as to the appropriate format, there may be a template at the top of the article to tell you. In the Kat Stewart article, at the top, you'll see {{Use dmy dates}} which informs you that the established date format for the article is DMY. So changing the existing format from that is considered disruptive, which is why you received the above warning about it. Also, I would recommend that if you are referring back to a Manual of Style (i.e. your reference to grammerly), that you check our own internal MoS first. If we have an MoS rule on something, that takes precedence. It's extensive, and no one expects you to memorize it or learn it overnight. But you will be expected to conform to it when editing. If someone reverts you on the basis of MoS, then the best thing is to look it up, make note of it, and move forward having learned it. ButlerBlog (talk) 12:56, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

April 2023

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make disruptive edits to Misplaced Pages contrary to the Manual of Style, as you did at Barbara Perry (actress). Please follow the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style which dictates we are to use logical punctuation at all times for all articles. SQGibbon (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Americans should use the American English method of punctuation. Burvegas (talk) 21:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

No. We need to keep each article consistent with the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style. If you don't like the quotation style we use here then you don't have to like it but you do have to follow it if you hope to continue to edit Misplaced Pages.

I've been here for quite a while. I've seen people get blocked for some really, really, incredibly dumb reasons but getting blocked for obstinately refusing to use quotation marks correctly for some weird nationalistic reason would be one of the very dumbest. Please don't make this happen. DanielRigal (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Punctuation is always a matter of style and there is more than one style in use when it comes to punctuation and quotation marks. It is true that American's are generally taught to use the style you are using. Outside of the US, however, "logical punctuation" is very popular. Some people in the US use logical punctuation for technical writing as well. Neither style is more correct and anyone is free to adopt whichever style they want unless a style guide/editor/publisher/teacher specifically requires a particular style.

That said, the very long time consensus view on Misplaced Pages is to use logical punctuation for all articles. If you wish for this to change, you need to create a new consensus. In the meantime, please respect the consensus view. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 21:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)