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*:::@] I don't know why you're denying that when the discussion is visible for anyone interested in reading it, I very clearly stated that the logical thing to do would be to place the link in that section ] (]) 18:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::@] I don't know why you're denying that when the discussion is visible for anyone interested in reading it, I very clearly stated that the logical thing to do would be to place the link in that section ] (]) 18:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::: I am not denying anything, I am still opposing, but the fact is that the Editor asked about the criminal and law section not about see also section which is ] (]) 06:26, 05 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::: I am not denying anything, I am still opposing, but the fact is that the Editor asked about the criminal and law section not about see also section which is ] (]) 06:26, 05 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::::Apparently you are not able to read the title RfC, or you have a severe language barrier. I initially mentioned the see also section, then when I discovered the Law and criminal justice section that is where I said it should go, to which you still continued to oppose in order to protect Serbia's image. Does this RfC say "RfC on ″Crime in Serbia″ link in ″see also″ section"? We are reaching ] levels here. ] (]) 17:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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In one of the paragraphs it says that serbia was given independence on 5 June 2006 when infact they were given independence on 4 June 2006 BosnianHelper (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
@Theonewithreason I don't see how adding a link to Crime in Serbia is an "assertion", that Serbia has crime is a fact, as you likely know the country recently had two mass shootings within days of each other. As for your examples, Crime in the United States is linked on United States, in fact it has its own section on the article. On the United Kingdom article crime is also mentioned and a statistical article on it is linked. Germany as well covers crime. Serbia and Russia despite having notable instances of crime for whatever reason has almost no information on it. I added it as a link because it might actually be WP:UNDUE to create a crime section, but I don't think a link in the "see also" section is remotely undue. TylerBurden (talk) 12:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Italy also had tragic situation today, but the crime section is not a part of Italy article, that means that certain balance should be applied for all countries, as for your comment about Serbia having notable instances of crime, comparing to above mentioned countries, is not on that level, actually those events are not common in Balkan region. Theonewithreason (talk) 14:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
@Theonewithreason I don't think whataboutism is a strong argument here, we are talking about Serbia now, not Italy or other countries whose issues should be solved on their respective talk pages. Crime in Serbia is not an anomaly, nor is its coverage. For example, its organized crime rates are considered high, ranking 33rd in the Global Organised Crime Index for 2021 according to this source with issues including corruption and human trafficking. I just noticed that the article has a "Law and criminal justice" section, the natural thing to do would be adding the link there. TylerBurden (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
And I am saying that consistency should be applied to all countries, not to some or what you think that should have its own section because you think that crime excels there, I mentioned Italy because it had its own situation also a few days ago. Yet don′t see any mentioning there. Also I don′t think that your cherry picking of the certain sources which mention corruption is a strong argument here, comparing to other crimes. Example murder rate by this source is 1.02 per 100 000 people which is still very low comparing to USA with 6.52, Russia 7.33, France 1.33, Brazil 22.45 or even Sweden with 1.23, etc. Theonewithreason (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
How is mentioning Serbia's high rate of organized crime "cherry picking"? You could argue you just did that by selecting a specific crime that Serbia doesn't have a high rate in, ignoring all other crimes. It seems very odd to oppose a link added even to the relevant section, this is Misplaced Pages, not a Serbian tourism site where "negative" information cannot be presented. For even a link to be WP:UNDUE Serbian crime would have to be virtually uncovered by reliable sources, which it very much is not. If you are just going to keep talking about other countries, it might be better to start an RfC for further input. TylerBurden (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Because you mentioned corruption, and I showed you there is much more to a crime than just corruption. I also said that if you wish to put it on this page, you should also put it on other pages as well, balance it. I mentioned that 3 times already, otherwise you are giving a false weight to an article that crime in Serbia is something way more common than in other countries, which is not. Theonewithreason (talk) 17:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
That's not how due weight works, and no Serbia having a link to its crime article (which readers may be interested in) does not at all mean that it's more or less common, it's simply a tool for readers to access a related article highly relevant to the law section. By your index logic, are you saying all links on this article that also exist on the index article should be removed then, since they are "covered"? TylerBurden (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
No but obviously a less covered ones are still redirected to this link, which in my opinion is practical. Is someone is really interested in crime in Serbia they will probably first go directly to that article, not here.Theonewithreason (talk) 18:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Seems like a double standard, you don't think Crime in Serbia can be linked here because it is included on the index article, but you're fine with other ones being on both. What's the point of having a "Law and criminal justice" section if you are not going to include any mention of crime, let alone a link? Law of Serbia is rightfully linked under that section, that's where it would be logical to also include Crime in Serbia as a "see also" entry. TylerBurden (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Well I could go easily other way and ask you why don′t we put all unused links and put them in the article or in see also section, and why just crime in Serbia. Since we are talking about double standards.Theonewithreason (talk) 18:46, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Right, I think we have come as far as we are going to by the two of us, since we appear to have a bit of a WP:STONEWALLING issue here. I am going to start an RfC so uninvolved editors can participate and a consensus can be built. TylerBurden (talk) 18:50, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
RfC on ″Crime in Serbia″ link in ″Law and criminal justice″ section
Support: Per MOS:BUILD, readers should have easy access to relevant articles, a section about law and justice is incomplete without a link to the crimes they are there for, which is not only relevant but may be of interest to the reader who as of now only gets information about what agencies combat the crime and the judicial system. --TylerBurden (talk) 19:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Having to go to the index article at the bottom of the article, click on it, and scroll on it assuming it has the link is the opposite of ″easy access″ when there is a relevant section for the link. TylerBurden (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Comment Currently, the "Law and criminal justice" subsection has "Main article: Law of Serbia", which covers the "Law" part of the title. Is Crime in Serbia not the main article for the "and criminal justice" part? CMD (talk) 03:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
@Theonewithreason I don't know why you're denying that when the discussion is visible for anyone interested in reading it, I very clearly stated that the logical thing to do would be to place the link in that section right hereTylerBurden (talk) 18:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Apparently you are not able to read the title RfC, or you have a severe language barrier. I initially mentioned the see also section, then when I discovered the Law and criminal justice section that is where I said it should go, to which you still continued to oppose in order to protect Serbia's image. Does this RfC say "RfC on ″Crime in Serbia″ link in ″see also″ section"? We are reaching WP:CIR levels here. TylerBurden (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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Change all references to “altitude” to “elevation”. As an earth scientist, I noticed this right away. However, I’d love to visit this country. Thank you. 74.93.90.165 (talk) 19:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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The redirect Serubia has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 23 § Serubia until a consensus is reached. - CHAMPION 10:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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