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Spelling of 'Kharkiv'

I just editted the spelling from Kharkov to Kharkiv, since the article about the city is listed as "Kharkiv".--207.47.138.89 05:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreeing with the existence of?

I copied this sentence here because I was wondering about the meaning:

Ukrainians in general are not very accepting of gays, with only 15% agreeing with the existence of same-sex couples.

Is the sentence trying to say that only 15% of Ukranians believe that same-sex couples exist, or that 85% think that same-sex couples should be legislated against, or that only 15% of Ukranians support something like gay marriage? -Seth Mahoney 23:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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I think it means 15% support the idea of same-sex couples. One thing in this article that intrigued me was the declaration that gays are exempt from military service. Do they ask this when draftees are inducted? Or do they get thrown out of the military when it's discovered they're gay? They used to do this in the Australian Army back in the 80's when they learned a soldier was gay, but I don't remember being asked if I was gay or not when I signed up.

The reason I ask is that it would be a swell way to dodge military service by "outing" yourself. Do you need to prove it to anyone or does the draft board take your word for it? Just curious. Peter1968 09:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

A word from a Ukrainian gay.

I am glad the subject of gay rights in my country is discussed here. I'll ask a lawyer as for military exemtion for gays on the basis that homosexuality's still considered a mental disorder here (is it really?). I know it for a dact that Ukraine was the first Ex-Soviet state to have abolished the infamous criminal law article punishing ays through imprisonment in 1991 (which, ironically, was only applicable to gay men and not to gay women). Also, the current president Yuschenko never said a word to support gay Ukrainians, so I don't think he's any supportive.

Keep the discussion going!

Greetings from Ukraine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chevere (talk • contribs) 12:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Ah... one correction: Ukraine was the first UN-recognized post-Soviet state to legalize. Ukraine was beaten by 10 days by the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, which literally burnt the constitution when it declared independence, and didn't re-illegalize homosexuality. Of course, that ended when Maskhadov thought he'd negotiate with the extremist Islamist conservatives around Udugov to try to achieve some sort of "national unity" (as if Udugov wasn't a foreign agent from the beginning...), and instead of a Chechen Republic suddenly we had an "Islamic Republic". Then it was legal again (de facto) for the Chechen Republic (in exile) after the Islamic Republic split into the Emirate and the secular Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. Buuut... Kadyrov, Russia's puppet instated Sharia in '08 now. --Yalens (talk) 22:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

To whom it may concern: Misplaced Pages articles' talk pages are not for the general "discussions" of the articles' topic. Especially for a nonsense like references to Chechen wars. Wishes. Ukrained2012 (talk) 23:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

So-o-o bad(

Ladies and gentlemen, the sources for this article are certainly bad. But not as bad as their correct attribution to the particular claims in the text. Hope those sources do not really state that ethnic Ukrainian gays are undertolerated by the Ukrainian society). Needs a lot of work. Ukrained2012 (talk) 23:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

People, I wouldn't call one of country's best, and English-speaking, lawyers an "open gay" unless you have firm RS-citations. He may simply sue Jimbo out of budget( Ukrained2012 (talk) 23:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Some secs have no descriptions at all, just mere labelling (tagged those with POV). Remember: facts>lulz. Ukrained2012 (talk) 23:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Well controversial Ukrainian subjects who are not associated with greatness/national pride always get less attention from editors of Misplaced Pages; hence Ivan Mazepa's Wiki-article is in a good state and this one and Jews in Ukraine look like crap... (At times I felt like the only one editing the later 2 was I...) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Did do some fixing up the last hours; but I am a bit fed up doing that now and article still needs lots of work... I did notice that before I fixed the article up the situation of homosexuals in Ukraine was made to look better then it is in reality (in other words before 11 October 2013‎ this Wiki-article did nor reflected reality). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Surogacy for gay couples and IVF for lesbian couples

Can anyone confirm that this is true? It says both are legal, but how??? If same-sex couples are not permitted to adopt, surely gay couples don't have access to surrogacy. And as for lesbian couples...well if a single women has an access to IVF that is fine, but that doesn't mean a lesbian couple can do the same. For lesbian couples to have access to IVF would mean that lesbian couples are recognised by law, and in Ukraine they are not. Just because one women who lives with another women can do it doesn't mean they will both be recgnised as parents. 11Raccoon1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 11raccoon1 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Relevance; Ukraine is not Russia

In the opening paragraph (introduction), last line. This is a random statistic that is not relevant. We are talking about Ukraine, not Russia. If we want to include Ukraine's neighbours as a comparison, then include ALL or at least a sizeable representation of them. "Russia, with 25%, had the lowest percent of support. "

This is a stand-alone statistic that looks like an after-thought and does not make sense.

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Transgender rights

You also have to visit it "usually placed in the same wards with patients who are mentally Ill" place if you want to get a driver's license simply because it is a place of work of doctors psychiatrists. So I think that this is "usually placed in the same wards with patients who are mentally Ill" unnecessary clarification — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.122.66 (talk) 17:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

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Confirmed as correct. Thank you, Cyberbot II. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

the link for reference 35 links to live cam pornn: "Ukraine has lifted the ban on blood donation for homosexuals | Gay News Europe | Gay news, entertainment, celebrities, family and stories". the hyper link is porn. Someone should probably change that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7BB4:E500:F831:192:7E17:D8B2 (talk) 01:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

While I did not see any porn on the reference you noted, the link is dead and the web address is for sale on GoDaddy. I have added an Wayback Machine archive link to the reference. Wikipedialuva (talk) 01:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

On-going anti-LGBTQ purges and censorship in the List of people from Ukraine

A clique of editors seem to be implementing a purge of any mentionings of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and LGBTQ activism in Ukraine.

In particular, the corresponding section in the List of people from Ukraine listing notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists with Misplaced Pages pages, has been first censored and then completely purged by this clique of editors, under the obviously false pretext of such entries in the list being "unecyclopedic"(!).

Please review the following revision history, between July 27 and July 29, 2020 , https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_people_from_Ukraine&action=history .

The purged list of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists is as follows:

LGBTQ Ukrainians, pro-European and pro-Western LGBTQ Ukrainian activists

• Bogdan Globa
• Mike Enzi – US Senator from Wyoming
• Maurice Hinchey – former New York Congressman (Ukrainian mother)
• Volodymyr Horowitz
• Olha Kobylianska
• Alla Nazimiv - US Ukrainian actress, also known as an active member of the Hollywood LGBTQ community
• Anna Sharyhina - influential Ukrainian lesbian, LGBTQ leader
• Stav Strashko - distinguished Ukrainian Israeli transgender actress, passionate advocate of transgender lifestyle in Ukraine
• Edward Tarletski - Belarusian-Ukrainian LGBTQ activist

Please help to monitor and report the disruptive anti-LGBTQ editors and please help to edit List of people from Ukraine so that it objectively reflects the role of the LGBTQ people in the past, current and future Ukrainian politics, life, arts and science!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/2601:646:8500:2DD0:D429:B0BF:9012:558F) 1 August 2020

People who want yo be actual helpful can also update the Misplaced Pages page List of LGBT events with the pride parades and rallies that are now annually happening Ukraine's biggest cities since about 2019. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

References

1. "Hinchey got to Washington via the Thruway". recordonline.com. Retrieved 2016-01-19.

Pride parades and rallies in Ukraine now seem to be a regular thing.... Should all the post 2019 Pride parades be listed in this article?

Following the news in Ukraine and/or being a reader of LGBT rights in Ukraine#Pride parades and rallies you could have noticed that pride parades and rallies are now annually happening Ukraine's biggest cities since about 2019. The last one being held in Zaporizhia a few days ago. My question is if its still worth mentioning all of them in this Misplaced Pages article or should they only be listed at the Misplaced Pages page List of LGBT events? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

commercial surrogacy in Ukraine

according to my Ukrainian attorney, commercial surrogacy in Ukraine is legal for heterosexual married couples. might go looking for a public source and then edit the table. 63.81.44.34 (talk) 22:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Summary Style - Edit War Resolution Discussion

WIKIPedia Summary Style. Disagreement - Different readers want varying amounts of detail, and this style permits them to choose how much they are exposed to. Some readers need just a quick summary and are satisfied by the lead section; others seek a moderate amount of info, and will find the main article suitable to their needs; yet others want a lot of detail, and will be interested in reading the side articles. 142.189.112.124 (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

The contents of a lead section are subject primarily to MOS:LEAD, not WP:SUMMARY. Declaring your addition has Public Interest Content does not mean we can add it to the article. Content should be referenced according to Misplaced Pages's reliable source policy with no original research. Your additions do not cite reliable sources (at least one of them cited Misplaced Pages, which is a big no-no. Additionally, material given in the lead should also exist in the body of the article. If you can't provide reliable sources to demonstrate that these are the salient points on LGBT rights in Ukraine, then that material doesn't belong in the lead. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@PbrittiOn what basis have you determined that this source is unreliable. Please provide your full analysis. This article was edited perform Human Rights clarification edits to ensure human right articles on[REDACTED] are properly referenced. What specifically is it that you find objectionable about reference quality? 142.189.112.124 (talk) 21:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

On June 8, 2023 142.189.112.124 began an editorial and verification pass on this article. Many references were verified and attributions corrected.

Consistent with the Misplaced Pages Summary Style 142.189.112.124 sought to restore edits by 184.147.108.166.

Later that day 2a00:23c6:292d:cc01:8075:936d:e545:1944 began an edit war with the content from 184.147.108.166.

Determining that Summary Style was being properly applied by 184.147.108.166, 142.189.112.124 reverted the edits consistent with the main page summary style to support different reader types.

Subsequently an apparent gang vandalism effort was mounted whereby poorly supported reverts were commenced to obscure and obfuscate the clear and non-biased status of LGTB rights in Ukraine created by 184.147.108.166. This effort included @Pbritti, @Wpscatter who inappropriately used the tag Ultraviolet, and finally @Ponyo.

142.189.112.124 defended the integrity of the Summary Style and the article from biased edits taking in to consideration the legitimate concerns raised along the way including improving the references.

Ponyo's edits which were inconsistent with the Summary style lead 142.189.112.124 exceeding the 3 reverts in 24 hour rule. 142.189.112.124 (talk) 21:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh, neat, an accusation of vandalism! You don't have any evidence that your content being deleted was vandalism. Provide sources for it and we can move from there. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@Pbritti Your request for sources was already addressed. Please review the last revert by @Ponyo. Regarding "apparent gang vandalism". Repeatedly reverting the proper use of Misplaced Pages:Summary style is not inconsistent with vandalism. 142.189.112.124 (talk) 21:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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