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:I like the idea of flipping the in- and out-of-universe sections ... gonna go try that one. And after one more copyedit pass, going to step away for a couple of days to make space for others to contribute and chime in. --] (]) 21:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC) :I like the idea of flipping the in- and out-of-universe sections ... gonna go try that one. And after one more copyedit pass, going to step away for a couple of days to make space for others to contribute and chime in. --] (]) 21:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


== Wouldn't Kobayashi Maru refer to when you cheat in an otherwise unwinnable situation? == == Kobayashi Maru actually means two things ==


1) an unwinnable situation, where both options result in you losing
Rather than the example of Kobayashi Maru referring to a lose/lose scenario, I thought it would have referred to a situation where someone won and defied a normally unwinnable situation, but cleverly cheating. That's what Kirk did, and its the main point of the original scene. ] (]) 07:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

or

2) actually winning an impossible scenario where the only options are to lose, by cheating. (this refers to what Kirk did in his Kobayashi Maru test)

As a verb, to ''Kobayashi Maru'' something, means to beat an impossible to beat scenario by hacking it, changing the test, or cheating, as Kirk did

and

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kobayashi%20Maru
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Maltese Falcon Connection?

Is the statement toward the bottom of the page correct that the Maltese Falcon figurine was brought on the ship "Kobayashi Maru"? In the John Huston movie it was brought by the ship "La Paloma." What is the source for the statement of a Maltese Falcon connection?

Ehime Maru Link?

I removed the link to the Ehime Maru, as there really is no connection in any way. --Rocketboy 18 Feburary 2007

Audio Tape

There is an audio tape of each member of the enterprise's crew and how they handled the no win scenario.

Wonder if it is appropriate for that to be referenced here and how it would be done? Jokem (talk) 01:55, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Trivia

Is it just me, or do the Notable Participans, Novels, and Video Games sections merely list of characters who've been depicted taking the test and content in which the test appears? Unless there are sources to third-party commentary explaining how these depictions are significant, they seem like large swaths of indiscriminate plot summary and should be culled. --EEMIV (talk) 00:03, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I've got no good bad TV to watch tonight ;-) ... gonna try to do a bold rewrite. --EEMIV (talk) 00:38, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Section ordering and other thoughts

First of, good job EEMIV on the cleanup efforts. I think some of the appearances you cut could come back (greatly reduced) if they're mentioned and verifiable in secondary sources; I'll try and take a look this weekend and see if that's the case. My thoughts on the article as it stands are that the depictions should probably just go first? Especially if you elaborate on the production details (like how the Kobayashi Maru was designed to be a "fake out" to deal with Spock's death after initial drafts had him die early on) that would be helped by having the context right there. Alternatively, perhaps the best option is explaining the scenario mostly as it appears in STII, deal with the background information, and then have "other appearances" cover its use/background info for the other cases. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 19:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I like the idea of flipping the in- and out-of-universe sections ... gonna go try that one. And after one more copyedit pass, going to step away for a couple of days to make space for others to contribute and chime in. --EEMIV (talk) 21:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Kobayashi Maru actually means two things

1) an unwinnable situation, where both options result in you losing

or

2) actually winning an impossible scenario where the only options are to lose, by cheating. (this refers to what Kirk did in his Kobayashi Maru test)

As a verb, to Kobayashi Maru something, means to beat an impossible to beat scenario by hacking it, changing the test, or cheating, as Kirk did For example

and

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kobayashi%20Maru Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:19, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

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