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*:: ] explicitly allows "fixing indentation levels". (* should be followed by ** or *:, not :*. See ].) ] (]) 17:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC) *:: ] explicitly allows "fixing indentation levels". (* should be followed by ** or *:, not :*. See ].) ] (]) 17:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
*:: Or see ]; I knew this had a familiar ring to it. Now that is a huge nomination (and listed on the talk page). ] (]) 17:52, 25 June 2023 (UTC) *:: Or see ]; I knew this had a familiar ring to it. Now that is a huge nomination (and listed on the talk page). ] (]) 17:52, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::@]: yes, that was where an admin actually removed my post to replace it with one of his own. His stance on indentation has never been repeated by anyone else at any CFD until now, when you chose to try to weaponize it in support of LL's disruptive antics in this vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination.
*:::If my use of the std reply tool was a problem, the there would be uproar all over e.p, 'cos hundreds of editors use it.
*:::a ] <small>] • (])</small> 18:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support '''- the nominator is not required to do a ] which relates to articles (AFD). These are not articles and it is a merge, not delete. I would suggest a merge in some cases to ]. It is difficult to see why this needs to be diffused. Another is ]. It is for the creators of these tiny categories to do some prior research on potential numbers. ] (]) 16:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC) * '''Support '''- the nominator is not required to do a ] which relates to articles (AFD). These are not articles and it is a merge, not delete. I would suggest a merge in some cases to ]. It is difficult to see why this needs to be diffused. Another is ]. It is for the creators of these tiny categories to do some prior research on potential numbers. ] (]) 16:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
:*'''Reply''' Thanks {{Ping|Oculi}}, that's a sensible suggestion. Looks my Before was not as comprehensive as it might have been. Noms amended per suggestion. ] (]) 17:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC) :*'''Reply''' Thanks {{Ping|Oculi}}, that's a sensible suggestion. Looks my Before was not as comprehensive as it might have been. Noms amended per suggestion. ] (]) 17:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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June 25

NEW NOMINATIONS

People by occupation in Northern Ireland

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat since each of these has less than 4 members. Diffusing by place makes sense, by occupation not so much. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Note: WikiProject Ireland has been notified of this discussion.
  • Oppose. Newly-created category, mostly with plenty of scope for expansion. This is another vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination by LL, who is stalking my contribs and has clearly not done any WP:BEFORE.
    This is NOT diffusion by place; it is diffusion by nationality, which is an establsihed series. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Note that most of these categories are for sub-disciplines. But because this is a rushed, vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination, LL had not even taken the time to designate the parent category as the merge targets. That is pretty good evidence that LL also didn't scrutinise the parent categories to test the scope for diffusion. --16:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Note 1 by her own admission, BHG has spent the past 6 weeks making many micro-by-county-by occupation categories. As an editor in Irish space, they have been flashing up on my Watchlist with annoying frequency. Not much stalking needed. No need for Sherlock Holmes either. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  1. whether they have "no possibility for growth"
  2. whether they are part of an established series.
I don not believe that you ae acting in good faith and I do not believe that you have done this work. But if you have done the work, it set it out for editors to read. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:38, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
I believe that I clarified the it was the "logged proof" that I was declining. You may assume, in Good Faith, that the rest was of course carried out. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
LL, you have provided no explanation of why, for example, you believe that Category:Women mathematicians from Northern Ireland‎ fits the WP:SMALLCAT criteria of:
  1. "no possibility for growth"
  2. not pat of aa established series
Note that Category:Women mathematicians by nationality (39) has 35 subcats. Why do yo believe that is not an established series? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Reply Thanks @Oculi:, that's a sensible suggestion. Looks my Before was not as comprehensive as it might have been. Noms amended per suggestion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
    LL< there was clearly absolutely NO WP:BEFORE. A second's scrutiny of each category would have shown you that had not selected appropriate merge targets.
    The fact that you were ot even aware of the parent categories is pretty conclusive evidence that you had not checked for any further diffusion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:14, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment. These merges have been proposed purely on the basis of the current size of the categories, which is clearly not the grounds set out in WP:SMALLCAT. The nominator also wholly ignores the "established series" part of WP:SMALLCAT.
    If categories are to be nominated for deletion less than 48 hours after creation, by a nominator who makes mo attempt whatsoever to assess their scope for expansion, then categorisation work is made unreasonably difficult. That appears to be the aim of LL@s stalking.
    All the nominated cats are part of least one established series, sometimes several series), and there is no basis whatsoever for bringing them immediately to CFD without any scrutiny. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:In-Grid

Nominator's rationale: With only articles on albums and songs, already in appropriate subcategories and interlinked, this is overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 15:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Meta Platforms-related lists

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 15:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:16th century assassinated French politicians

Nominator's rationale: There are only 30 people in all in Category:Assassinated French politicians and splitting by century is not justified. I again urge User:Thinker78 to reflect before creating more categories: Category:1930s assassinated French politicians is lacking an important parent, viz Category:1930s assassinated politicians. Also Category:20th-century French politicians is hyphenated so I expect Category:20th century assassinated French politicians should also be. (I will leave the more complicated Category:20th century assassinated French politicians for another nom.) Oculi (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Jewish American philanthropists

Nominator's rationale: American philanthropists aren't divided by any other religion or ethnic group. Dream Focus 13:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Jewish philanthropists

Nominator's rationale: We don't have categories for philanthropist for any other religion or ethnic group, only by nation and sometimes region. Dream Focus 13:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:1970s assassinated South American politicians

Nominator's rationale: Category:1970s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before any splitting occurs; there is no pressing need to subcategorise a category with only 35 members. In any case, people are not directly categorised as 'South American': Category:South American people is a container category. Oculi (talk) 12:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:1930s assassinated Costa Rican politicians

Nominator's rationale: 1 article; and Category:1930s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before any splitting occurs. Oculi (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:1960s assassinated African politicians

Nominator's rationale: 1 member; and Category:1960s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before being split. Oculi (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Ukrainian historical regions outside of Ukraine

Nominator's rationale: Regions that were never part of Ukraine and simply includes any territories that had Ukrainian settlers. Also WP:NONDEF. Mellk (talk) 08:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Gujjar places

Nominator's rationale: Everyone names places, there's no defining characteristics for it — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 07:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Nobility of the Americas

Nominator's rationale: split per precedent, e.g. Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_27#Category:Royal_families_of_the_Americas. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

People born during Tang

Nominator's rationale: merge, ruling dynasty during one's birth is not a defining characteristic of a person. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Prix des romancières recipients

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:DNWAUC, WP:OCAWARD, and WP:NONDEFINING
There's not much here. There's no Prix des romancières main article (and no Novelist Award) but, based on the parent cat, it's from France. There are only two biography articles both of which list this award among other honours so it's not treated as defining. (I copied all the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants find reliable source and create a list article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Category:Voltaire Lectures

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT, WP:SMALLCAT, & WP:DNWAUC
There's not much here: there's no main article but a redirect that points to Humanists UK#Lecture series. Once you follow that link, it only has one sentence listing the many lectures that organisation hosts. Bonya Ahmed gave a lecture one year, which her article mentions in passing, but that's WP:PERFCAT. The only other article is a book based on this lecture which is defining but that leaves us with a 1 article category, which is a WP:SMALLCAT. (I copied all the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants find reliable source and create a list article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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