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Jimmy Dean and Jim Henson

Not sure how and if it should fit in the Jimmy Dean article, but Jim Henson's first national television appearance was indeed on the Jimmy dean show. Here's a source , and here are some WP:PRIMARY sources as well ,. Jacona (talk) 18:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Feel free to add if cited reliably per WP:RS and WP:CITE. Rift (talk) 19:16, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Jess Margera page

Hello, there. Would appreciate if you could suspend editing or reverting the Jess Margera page briefly until I complete editing the entire page, including assessing the references. Keystone18 (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Twitter cite on Howie Rose's birthday

Hi Rift — it doesn't matter since another article also provides his birthday, but this is not a WP:ABOUTSELF source relating to a third party, since it was published on the official Twitter of the New York Mets (and so should be considered authoritative as MLB team publications are considered authoritative about the players and personnel of the team). D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 16:45, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

downey half-brother/uncle whatever

I know that fact can be sourced, but I took it out because it's not true. From James Buchanan Downey's obituary: "He was predeceased by his brother, renowned film-maker and director, Robert Downey, Sr."

So it can't be SNL Downey, the one the article is about. It has likely been misattributed to him over the years by lazy sources, but unless SNL Downey is the one who just died (not possible), we should probably take it out. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:17, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Appreciate your view, but we have two reliable sources to source this claim, including a quote from James Downey himself, directly identified in the article as the SNL writer, who directly speaks about his nephew. The obituary (which is not a reliable secondary source) is probably mistaken, and is a good example of why we do not use primary sources. Let's leave it as is unless we get a reliable source to counter the claim. Rift (talk) 19:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Lol I'll agree to disagree on the obituary being "probably mistaken". Thanks for the level-headed reply anyway. I don't think it's true, but it's pretty minor compared to him being wrongly reported dead so I'll live. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks. The obituary has none of the reliably-sourced details about SNL Downey correct: Downey is from Illinois, not New York; he graduated from a Catholic high school in Joliet, not the High School of Music and Art in New York; his middle name is Woodward, not Buchanan; and was born 1952-1953 according to the NYT, not 1949. Says nothing about being a Harvard graduate and absolutely zero about SNL, especially the fact that he's the longest tenured writer in its history. Primary sources must be used with extreme care, if at all (WP:BLPPRIMARY), and the obituary doesn't line up. Rift (talk) 19:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

See, I'm sure the obituary is telling the truth, but it's just about a different guy. The book it credits him with writing, Is Martha Stuart Living?, got him a New York Times profile which mentions his appearances on Kate & Allie and that he is the uncle of Robert Downey Jr. The obit also says he has a sister, Nancy Connor, a fact which also appeared in the NYT's obituary for Robert Downey Sr. Obviously I'm just filling up your talk page with spitballing now (sorry), but I feel like there's got to be something out there noting the confusion. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Okay, now we're getting somewhere with reliable sources. As I said above: "Let's leave it as is unless we get a reliable source to counter the claim." NYT article (which trumps the other two sources) is clearly talking about a different guy. I recommend making the change and doing a writeup on the talk page explaining it's probably not the same guy so it's not re-added. Good work. Rift (talk) 20:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Thanks for your input! Nohomersryan (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

You might be interested, so just for the record: James Woodward Downey, the SNL writer, is really the son of John Edward Downey and Mary Madelaine Downey, so he has no relation to Downey Sr. Here is his mom's obituary from 2010. Clearly not usable as RS, but better than nothing. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Nothing in this obituary contains proof these are Downey's relatives. "James M." (wrong middle initial) of New Canaan, Connecticut could easily be this reporter for the New Canaan Advertiser. Good example of why we use reliable secondary sources and do not interpret primary ones. Rift (talk) 20:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah,obviously you can make inferences (SNL Downey lived in New Canaan and obviously has Joliet ties), but nothing that cuts it as RS. Anyway I'll let you know if I find anything, hope you weren't bothered by my walls of text. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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John Sterling

Did you read the Mushnick article? It makes it clear that the self-promotion is at the root of many inaccurate calls. Rory1262 (talk) 03:40, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

"a man who has always cherished the sound of his own voice while placing strained self-promotion over good-faith play-by-play" Rory1262 (talk) 17:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Patrick Fabian

You'd better review MOS:REFPUNCT again – be sure to read all the way to the end. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:50, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks; I hate it. Rift (talk) 01:09, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Please explain how the edit is unsourced

Hey, I saw your reverts at Michael Madsen including . As the other person is claiming that the source backs it up you should tell them why the source doesn’t verify the claim. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Before that user's edit, the birth date on Michael Madsen was listed as September 25, 1958, per the reliable Associated Press citation given (here). The user then deleted that source, adding one (here) that simply stated Madsen's age—no day, month or year of birth given. As this failed verification per WP:VERIFY, I reverted the edit with a clear citation of Misplaced Pages policy. Rift (talk) 01:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

According to the quote, the older one also only stated the age. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The source stated Madsen's age (64) in the " Birthdays" column on the date of publication, September 25, 2022. No additional citation needed for basic arithmetic per WP:CALC. Rift (talk) 01:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I can’t access that, but thanks for pointing out the web link on the other talk page Aaron Liu (talk) 01:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Norm Abram DoB

I saw that you had removed the DoB listed for Norm Abram as there was no source listed. I have found an applicable source (the production institution of his TV shows) that lists his age and month/day of birth (here). However, I am on the fence for re-adding it as your link to the manual states DoB is considered personal information of a living person susceptible to misuse/identity theft and I get the feeling Norm Abram values his privacy. WKatastrof (talk) 06:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I found that page as well. However, the article is undated, and making calculations from an undated article constitutes WP:OR. Rift (talk) 20:48, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and reference. WKatastrof (talk) 01:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Vandal

Explain why you took down a notable link from the BOSTON herald newspaper? Thid will be going to legal. Keep in mind your IP is recorded. {{subst:AN-notice}} ~~~~ Martytanaki (talk) 09:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)