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Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Misplaced Pages:Help or add a question to the Village pump. Cheers! --maveric149

Lee, excellent article about Thames Televison. Kingturtle 01:57 May 14, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll add a few more dates and programme references once I've done the research.

Lee, nice article on ATV, but it's best to leave the piped link to the "Central Independent Television" article - "Central" is basically just a disambiguation page. -- Arwel 19:50 16 May 2003 (UTC)

OK, no problem. I was slightly out on some facts but I've now been put straight. That's why it's a collaborative effort, I guess. You'll also notice I've added logos to a couple of the TV company articles, but it can be surprisingly difficult to find good-quality images of them...

Just wanted to say hi, you're doing some nice work.  :-) best, Koyaanis Qatsi

Thanks. Can get a bit addictive though. Sleep? Never heard of it.

I think most of us have experienced that. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Maybe both--good for the 'pedia, bad for the personal life.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Lee. Hi. Well done on returning the I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue tapes. Unfortunatly I have to point out that due to the "no single author" nature of wikipedia, personal editorial comments are not appropriate for articles and so your comment on the page about returning the tapes will almost certainly be removed. It's something we all learn. Mintguy 02:05 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Oh, well. I was just blowing my own trumpet a bit. Just for the record, I also returned three rare Kenneth Williams shows as well, but the important thing is that the BBC can now lock them away in an airtight vault forever... :-)

lol. I hope you made copies. Mintguy 17:16 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Actually what the BBC do with returned shows is make digital copies for their own use and then give the original back to the owners. So I got my tapes back, and all I have to do now is find something to play them on!!!

This has reminded me of a good article I was going to create but forgot about "Lost episodes". Although perhaps that title might make some people think it's about the after effects of heavy drinking. Anyway it sound like you're an expert on the subject. Mintguy 21:21 19 May 2003 (UTC)

There's an article at wiping which sort of covers this. But it needs a lot of work (and a title change IMHO). Mintguy 17:06 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The reason for the "as of" pages can be found on Talk:As of 2003. -- Someone else 06:05 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up.

Pleased to be of service<G> - - Someone else 21:50 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I see you edited 1895 in literature and others. You might want to consider if it is worthwhile as the person who did 99% of all the work on the years in literature pages from the year 1800 in literature through to 2003 in literature was a banned user by the name of User:Black Widow and who also admitted to being the same person who logged in under 64.228.30.136 or variations on that IP number. According to Misplaced Pages Administrator User:Jtdirl, this IP and Black Widow are part of a sinister plot to destroy Misplaced Pages. Please see User:Joe Canuck in this regard because in accordance with the rules of the Misplaced Pages:Administrators, all edits by this user will be reverted and as such there will be virtually nothing on more than 200 years in literature. Note too, you are ordered not to reinstate any edits made by this user. Good luck, and thanks for participating at our Misplaced Pages community. ChuckM 00:49 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hmm. Couple of points: (1) If the "years in literature" pages are meant as disinformation, would it not be possible to have someone go through them and correct any inaccuracies rather than deleting them? (2) I will of course make every effort to comply with the rules, but when you're editing a page you don't always pay much attention to who posted it in the first place.

Thank you for adding Feetlebaum to the List of fictional horses. You've solved two nagging problems for me: first, that I wanted to add Feetlebaum myself but couldn't; second, the reason that I couldn't, that until today I didn't have a clue how Feetlebaum's name was spelt. —Paul A 01:40 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Glad to help. BTW, since you happened to remind me of that article, I also happened to think of a few more horses in song, like "A Horse with No Name". Damn, can't get the stupid thing out of my head now. Naa, naa, naa-na-na-na...

UPDATE: I've since learned that it's actually Fietlebaum... Lee M

Lee, when you want to move a page from one title to another, such as you did with The Adventures of Robin Hood to The Adventures of Robin Hood (movie), you don't have to copy-and-paste. You can just use the "Move this page" link. This also keeps the edit history and the talk page intact. CGS 10:33 26 Jul 2003 (UTC).

Yeah, I got the changeover a bit ass-backwards there. I'll try and do it properly if there's a next time.

Hi. I got on your track via Feral children in mythology and fiction (quite excellent) -- but I'm a little concerned with your uses of likely copyrighted images -- Pyrénée, , etc. I like the fact that these are quite small, though. But just to be clear -- anything photos on here must be released to the WP under the GNU FDL, and therefore we editors must have permission to do so from their tm/copyright holders. This is sorta fuzzy though -- I dont want to make a stink. Thanks. -戴&#30505sv 20:45, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)

My feeling is that individual images of book or CD covers, comic panels etc. constitute fair dealing and there shouldn't be any objections. Even so, if there's a problem I will (with great reluctance) remove them.

I added a comic book cover to the Elfquest article but was careful to include their standard copyright disclaimer.

Lee M 01:42, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Since this is a pretty open discussion, and Im curious about the answer, Im going to continue this on the WP:Pump -- maybe there'd be a more concise answer there. -Regards 戴&#30505sv 01:58, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC) PS: On second thought, forget that -- read Misplaced Pages:Copyrights (using copyrighted material) -- It just calls for a bit more documentation on the process -- its still fuzzy -- but Id suggest raising the issue on VP or on the en:wiki mailing list at some point. Thanks 戴&#30505sv 02:08, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Lee, Re the Alf Garnett series. I checked with the BBC when doing the page on the series. Apparently its correct name is 'til Death Us do Part, written as that (ie., 'til). However technical problems meant they had to drop the ' as it looked like a speck of dirt on the screen. They spent ages screaming at the media "no, it isn't TILL its TIL" but gave up and now some texts use 'til, others til and many Til. The graphics package eventually evolved to use the double ll and in the end even the people associated with the series became confused as to just what the correct name of the series is, but the strictly correct title of the series is til Death Us Do Part, from the marriage vow 'til death do us part. I used the strictly correct name as that was the original name used for the show and and that is how because of that the article is on wiki as. FearÉIREANN 00:56, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Very interesting. Thanks for the clarification. Of course, nowadays "till" is probably a commoner usage than "'til" even if it isn't strictly correct. Lee M 01:51, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

UPDATE: as I noted in the article, the 2004 DVD is spelt Till Death Us do Part, so the misspelling is widespread. Lee M 03:50, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Page "Faces (band)" moved to "The Faces". Angela 01:46, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks - Lee M 18:21, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Since your tube station articles don't actually contain any information, what is the point of them? Why not put them together and work them into an article that says something interesting? Adam 14:31, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The articles on the London Underground lines have links to every individual station, most of which don't yet have articles. All I'm doing is adding articles about stations I happen to know a bit about, on the basis that every link should have an accompanying article. It's true that these articles don't say much, but in many cases there isn't much that needs to be said except where the stations are in relation to places of interest (e.g. South Kensington tube station), and what lines they're on. Lee M 14:40, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

In that case there shouldn't be a link for each separate station, there should be a list of stations on each line at the main article. Anyone who actually has something interesting to say about a particular station can then create a new page for it. Adam

I guess the real questions here are 1) how deep should links go? See for instance the article on author C. J. Cherryh, which has a link to every book she's written, and none of the links has an article yet. And she's written dozens. 2) What's the smallest amount of information an article can contain and still be useful? Obviously we differ on that point! Lee M 02:36, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)

UPDATE: Most of the novel links on the Cherryh page have now been removed.

Double redirects

when you move pages (e.g. Hamlet's soliloquoy) please click on "what links here" and fix all double redirects. --Jiang

Oops. OK. Lee M 23:43, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

And in any case, now academic because the Hamlet's Soliloquy page has been deleted and redirected to Hamlet. Lee M 05:44, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Ainariel Arnatuille played by Bryna Bess?

What is your source for this entry? I can find neither the character nor the actor on Google or Yahoo, and the actor is not recorded on IMDB. Phil 11:48, Dec 19, 2003 (UTC)

Um, sorry, I wasn't responsible for that piece of info. All I know is, the character isn't listed in the Glossary of LOTR or Robert Foster's Complete Guide to Middle-earth, so she must have been invented by the filmmakers. Lee M 01:04, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Oh. Well ... the reason I asked you is that you appear twice in the Page History out of a total of 5 edits. The first two were anonymous and the fifth added the VFD notice. You were the natural choice to ask. Phil 08:16, Dec 22, 2003 (UTC)

Image permission

Hi. Do you have permission under GFDL to use Image:Pyrenee-sm.jpg on Misplaced Pages? RedWolf 17:25, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)

Ahem. This subject has come up before... I consider it to be fair use as it's a single panel from a comic, and also a very small reproduction. Some French comic sites have reproduced bigger panels (with more explicit nudity, which I deliberately avoided) or even entire pages.... If there are any serious objections I'll remove the image and replace it with the cover, since book covers almost certainly do count as fair use. Lee M 18:48, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

For future reference, the HTML entity code for one-half is &frac12; : ½. HTH. —Paul A 02:02, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Noted and logged. Lee M 02:17, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zero-byte images

Hello; I just deleted three images you uploaded back in June and July 2003, because they were zero bytes. They were:

• Image:Stingraytv.jpg, which had the caption Stingray (TV show): DVD box set cover
• Image:Stingray-tv.jpg, which had the caption Stingray (TV show) DVD box set cover depicting the submarine and some of the cast. See relevant page for details.
• Image:Shata-s.png, which had the caption Cover from Shasta and the Wolves by Olaf Baker. Replacement for previous image, smaller and brightened slightly for clarity. See Feral children in mythology and fiction.

It's quite possible you already re-uploaded them or know about the upload errors, but I thought I'd let you know just in case. --Delirium 09:44, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I originally screwed up trying to upload the images, but I managed to get it right eventually! Thanks anyway... Lee M 20:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

"Burton recorded separately"

From the edit history of The War of the Worlds (musical):

(cur) (last) . . 10:23, 2 Mar 2004 . . Lee M (Burton recorded separately)

(cur) (last) . . 19:03, 2 Aug 2003 . . 134.148.20.1

(cur) (last) . . 12:46, 20 Jun 2003 . . Paul A

(cur) (last) . . 09:00, 20 Jun 2003 . . Lee M (Explained exactly WHAT it's an adaptation of; Burton recorded separately. )

Could you say that again? I don't think I heard you the last couple of times.  :) --Paul A 02:15, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Um, yeah, couldn't read my own typing...(thud) Lee M 19:26, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Cheddar

This is such a minor point but I couldn't resist telling you. The Cheddar pic is far from empty, it has 7 people and 5 cars (admittedly, not exactly the summer jam-up!). Best Wishes, 82.33.96.38 07:47, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I must confess I was originally just looking at the small picture...! Incidentally, just how old is the photo? The cars look a bit old-fashioned... Lee M 18:13, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Banners and LOTR

Hello Lee M, your article on The Lord of the Rings radio adaptation got me thinking. (This is my first attempt at adding information to wikipedia). One of the differences between the BBC version and the book you list is "Aragorn receives a black standard from Arwen as a sign that he should rouse the army of the dead. In the book the standard is that of the White Tree of Gondor."

I suppose this is in reference to the line "And with that he bade Halbarad unfurl the great standard which he had brought; and behold! it was black, and if there was any device upon it, it was hidden in the darkness." This appears both in the book and the radio series so I don't see there is any disagreement. Any thoughts? Am I posting this info to the correct page?

Also

Regards, Tim --TimSC 13:06, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hmm...I must admit I'd forgotten that particular reference...but then in ROTK Book 1 chapter 6 there's another reference to the banner: "There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but the seven stars were about it....And the stars flamed in the sunlight, for they were wrought of gems by Arwen, daughter of Elrond..."

Obviously it's that passage that I was thinking of, and there's no reference to the White Tree at all in the BBC version. Assuming it's the same standard, and there's no reason not to, then presumably it was either wreathed in shadow in the earlier scene, or more likely enchanted so that it would only show its true colours when needed. Either way, I admit that the radio series article needs revising. If you don't mind, I'll include this correspondence on the article's Talk page for clarification.

Anyway, thanks for bringing it up... Lee M 02:04, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Alphabetisation

It's not the fault of the category. It's the fault of the people who put categories onto the articles and forgot to write them as Name of the Article, The. If you want, you can get a start on going through and fixing everything. :) -- Grunt (talk) 01:36, 2004 Aug 29 (UTC)

Hey Lee I was peddling as fast as I could!

I was in the middle of creating a major expansion on the subject of Pirate Radio when you made your comments. Just to let you know I have put in hours on this project during the last few days and I have not completed what I set out to do. I also created discussion pages for each of the expansions to let everyone know that I am working on it. You said that it needed work, well I may be getting to it. But just in case you can see something that I can't, what exactly did you have in mind? You did not say. MPLX/MH 23:19, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ahem. It was just a general comment, the sort of throwaway remark I'm always adding to my comments - didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. I'll check back in a few days and see if there's anything useful I can add to the article. Lee M 01:39, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Not ruffled! I really was right in the middle of it at that moment. Thanx MPLX/MH 15:14, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Roykirk

Thanks for the correction on The Changeling (Star Trek). Wasn't sure if his name was Roykirk or Roy Kirk, like a synopsis I used as a guide spelled his name. Cyberia23 20:38, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, I was able to check it on - the horse's mouth, so to speak. Lee M 00:27, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Uluru images

Lee, you have tagged the excellent image of Uluru at dusk but not the other two used in the Uluru article. I'm forever being chased up on tagging images so thought I would pass on a bit of "chase up" to you. Cheers Tiles 04:53, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

Recently I did some analysis of contribution history for Misplaced Pages, the fruits of which are at Misplaced Pages:Another list of Wikipedians in order of arrival. As I reviewed the list, I noted that there are about a dozen longtime contributors who have not been made administrators. You are one of them. Accordingly, I would like to nominate you for adminship, with your permission. If you would appreciate such a nomination, please let me know on my talk page. If you do wish to decline, a note so saying would also be appreciated, though not necessary. Kindest regards, The Uninvited Co., Inc. 20:45, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

!

On what grounds are you an authority on Robot fetishism? How exactly do you know so much about such an obscure subject?

Well, actually I'm more into statue and mannequin fetishism (agalmatophilia), but it's all just three sides of the same coin really. How do I know so much about it? I've always been into statues and immobility, and when I first got connected to the internet I was delighted to learn that there was a whole online community who shared my interest. If you care to research the subject further, here's a page linking to lots of related sites:

http://www.p-synd.com/plinks.htm

Lee M 20:24, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi from Down Under

That was some pretty fast editing on the Shivering article! :) --Papeschr 03:50, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I like to keep an eye on the New Articles page, and when something catches my eye I check it out. "Shivering" struck me because the weather's just turned chilly here in England! Lee M 04:34, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arthur C. Clarke's list of the best science fiction films

Lee -- Thanks for adding those links to the actual films themselves. One thing I'm not sure about -- Clarke indicates that his favourite version of CE3K is the 'revised version', by which I think he means 'The Director's Cut'. I couldn't find the date for that -- can you help? Cheers Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 11:38, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK -- I see it in the movie article. He must mean the 1980 'Special Edition' (as he was writing in 1983)... Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 11:41, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Just added a link to the article in question so if anyone stumbles across this page they'll know what we're talking about...! Lee M 14:12, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Did you know has been updated

And your article Kaa's Hunting is now on the Main Page. Enjoy! ] 19:49, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

Whee! fame at last!!! Lee M 20:27, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to have got into the archive, though. Oh, well... EZcome, EZgo... Lee M 02:42, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to...

1. ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
2. ...all articles...

using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Misplaced Pages is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 most active Wikipedians, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to ] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to ] all my contributions to any ], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}}. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. -- Ram-Man 20:44, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Unverified images

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

• Image:Iqwake-sm.jpg

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. ] 22:11, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

I have now replaced this image with a bigger one (500 x 500): and added a thumbnail version (250 x 250, same as here) on the IQ (band) page. I've given the bigger image a {{verifieduse}} tag. I've done the same with a few other album covers.

However, I've since seen tags claiming that low resolution album cover images are permissible. Just how low is low? Just not big enough to be interesting? Seriously: some guidelines on the exact tag to use for album covers, together with a ruling on the maximum permissible size, would be a considerable help here.

In the event that I have to delete the big image I'll have to re-link the small one and tag it then... Lee M 00:40, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Also:

• Image:Bernini-a-d.jpg RedWolf 22:28, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

Second Battle of Alamein

Thank you! I've been screwing that far too long, and only your note finally jogged my mind into figuring out a reasonable way to at least test after saving! (The colon is awfully dim on my screen, and i doubt i've even included it; while i should have been able to remember at least whether to space or not -- rather than just that i had been confused abt it before ... aw, hell.)

Sometimes, once in a great while, someone really does just need a swift kick in the pants; when the person administering it does so this diplomatically, it's sweet. Thanks again.
--Jerzy(t) 21:02, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

Hmm, just looked at a fresh [Move-tool-created redirect. Could be advising based on a restriction that's out of date? --Jerzy(t) 03:45, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

Sci-Fi

I noticed your objection to the use of "sci-fi" in the Thunderbirds article. I have to disagree with you in your assertion that, as a slang word, it is not a "proper word". Many slang words are proper words, especially after they have been accepted by the general public. As I stated in the Discussion page for Thunderbirds, it's more a matter of how the word is applied. In the case of sci-fi (note article), it was a term coined in the 1950s. I know Isaac Asimov was against it, and it is certainly used incorrectly often, but then again so is "science fiction". However, as the Misplaced Pages article correctly states, it is not slang but rather an abbreviation. All this said, if you want to try and discourage its use in Misplaced Pages, you might want to put a note up regarding this at the Village Pump. Maybe it can be added to the list of things people can be on the look out to correct. I've seen it used on many other pages. Cheers! 23skidoo 03:51, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Jack Gaughan and Witch World

• May I ask what is so disorganized about the Witch World bibliography? The books really are all over the place as Miss Norton explains in the essay I linked to. I do appreciate being rewritten (though there was a vague phrase in Planetary Romance which I could and did refer to a lot of bibliographical references to to defend when it was cut). More specifics would be appreciated.
• Much of my information about Jack Gaughan comes from the first Noreascon, the first World Fantasy Convention, and various Boskones in between where I met him and saw various of his covers and Galaxy Magazine illustrations for sale. Naturally I'm usually very careful about not putting in anything unless I have something lying around the house or can document it otherwise. Since you are so particular about his Tolkien contributions I put in some of his other design work. Unfortunately, I purged my Galaxy collection several moves ago, and there was this very impressively designed story by Harlan Ellison and someone else I can't find mentioned anywhere even (yes I tried the locus database) which after its Galaxy publication was printed in Partners in Wonder. I'm out in the sticks right now and my resources are limited. If you could track it down I'd appreciate it.Jplatt39 13:39, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Comment on LotR Radio Play article

Hi there, I've added a comment to the discussion page of this article: The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series). Wondered what you thought. --Carcharoth 10:02, 01 February 2005 (UTC)