Misplaced Pages

Talk:Speed of light: Difference between revisions

Article snapshot taken from[REDACTED] with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editNext edit →Content deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 07:36, 5 September 2023 editEiger3970 (talk | contribs)76 edits kilometres per hour to be consistent: new sectionTag: New topic← Previous edit Revision as of 00:22, 6 September 2023 edit undoLowercase sigmabot III (talk | contribs)Bots, Template editors2,310,540 editsm Archiving 2 discussion(s) to Talk:Speed of light/Archive 17) (botNext edit →
Line 85: Line 85:
|target=/Archive index |mask=/Archive <#> |leading_zeros=0 |indexhere=yes |target=/Archive index |mask=/Archive <#> |leading_zeros=0 |indexhere=yes
}} }}

==Photons faster than the speed of light==
Researchers managed the speed limit of light "inside hot swarms of charged particles, fine-tuning the speed of light waves within plasma to anywhere from around one-tenth of light's usual vacuum speed to more than 30 percent ''faster''." (source: ) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: That source says this is about ], and this Misplaced Pages article already states that group velocities greater than ''c'' are possible, and have been achieved before. --<span style="box-shadow:2px 2px 6px #999">]]</span> 14:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
:: Thank you, but the current WP article not the ] affirm that "fine-tuning the speed of light waves within plasma to anywhere from around one-tenth of light's usual vacuum speed to more than 30 percent ''faster''." 30 percent ''faster'' seems to be a relevant experimental result. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::This is not a comprehensible use of the English language. Try again? ] (]) 20:48, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Sorry, there was a typo. The current WP article doesn't affirm that "fine-tuning the speed of light waves within plasma to anywhere from around one-tenth of light's usual vacuum speed to more than 30 percent ''faster''.
::::In the same way, nothing similar is said within the article titled ]. To say that someone has achieved a group velocity that is 30 percent faster than the speed of light, seems to be relevant for the WP article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:45, 4 September 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::We have an entire section on ] and it begins {{See also|Faster-than-light|Superluminal motion}}The experiment you mention is just one instance in a large field of study. ] applies to the continual flow of scientific experiments and demonstrations too. ] (]) 16:08, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::Ok, thanks for your help. I misunderstood that my link was a summary of a peer-reviewed scientific paper instead of a part of a continous flow of scientific news. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2022 ==

{{Edit semi-protected|Speed of light|answered=yes}}
Copying one letter ] (]) 05:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> '']''<sup>]</sup> 05:59, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2022 == == Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2022 ==

Revision as of 00:22, 6 September 2023

Skip to table of contents
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Speed of light article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
Article policies
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Featured articleSpeed of light is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Misplaced Pages community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
[REDACTED] This article appeared on Misplaced Pages's Main Page as Today's featured article on October 29, 2004, and on August 16, 2022.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 17, 2004Featured article candidatePromoted
December 7, 2008Featured article reviewDemoted
November 21, 2009Peer reviewReviewed
January 25, 2010Featured article candidateNot promoted
October 12, 2010Peer reviewReviewed
December 20, 2010Featured article candidatePromoted
March 19, 2022Featured article reviewKept
Current status: Featured article

Template:Vital article

This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
WikiProject iconPhysics: Relativity Top‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Physics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Physics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PhysicsWikipedia:WikiProject PhysicsTemplate:WikiProject Physicsphysics
TopThis article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
This article is supported by the relativity task force.
Template:WP1.0
WikiProject Spoken Misplaced Pages

There is a request, submitted by ScientistBuilder (talk)ScientistBuilderScientistBuilder (talk) 17:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC), for an audio version of this article to be created. For further information, see WikiProject Spoken Misplaced Pages.

The rationale behind the request is: "The speed of light is central to physics fields including the Big Bang Theory, special relativity, general relativity, spectroscopy, optics, as well as real world applications such as signal processing and GPS networks".

Archiving icon
Archives


This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present.


Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2022

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Insert the following sentence to the proper line of "Increases accuracy of c redefinition og the metre and second"

 'After similar experiments found comparable results for c, In 1973, the Consultative Committee of the Definition of the Metre determined the speed of light in vacuum to be c= 299 792 458±1.1 m/s by using the average of vacuum wavelength of several laboratories and the frequency of methane-stabilized He-Ne lasers.

 <Ref> J. Terrien, Wavelength standards, optical frequency standards, and the velocity of light, Nouv. Rev. Optique, 1973, t. 4, no 4, pp. 215-220, Bureau International des Poidset Mesures, Pavillon de Breteuil, F-92310, Sevres Comite International des Poids et Mesures, Comite Consultatif pour La Definition du METRE, 5e Session-1973 (13-15 Juin), Bureau international des Poids et Mesures, Pavillonde Breteuil, F-92310, Sevres 3 392 231. 3955 pm; an average of values reported by several laboratories( NBS (the National Bureau of Standards; It became the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST, in 1988), NRC (the National Research Council Canada ), and BIPM (the International Bureau of Weights and Measures)). 88 367 181 627±50 kHz; measured by the US National Bureau of Standards in Boulder, Colorado

The End. Suh, Hosuhng (talk) 07:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I couldn't grasp your formatting for the sources. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Speed of light in a medium

The "in a medium" section states:"However, this represents absorption and re-radiation delay between atoms, as do all slower-than-c speeds in material substances".
I am specifically thinking of the speed of light in transparent material such as glass or diamond. If that statement is true, wouldn't we expect the re-radiation to be emitted in random directions, scattering the light more and more as it travels through the material, making these materials not transparent at all? Doesn't the fact that we can see a clear picture through a glass pane, of what is on the other side, disprove that there is absorption and re-radiation, but instead that there is some other mechanism?
Assuming that there is absorption by an electron, and some very small amount of time (dt) later, some re-radiation by the same electron, wouldn't this electron be in a slightly different angular position, in relation to the atom core, that small amount of time (dt) later? and therefore causing the re-emission to be at a slightly different angle? Dhrm77 (talk) 12:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:Not a forum. The talk page is for improving the article by reference to reliable sources, not for personal speculations. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC).
The argument is well founded. Hopefully I can provide acceptable sources. If you look at the "see also" material Refractive index "Microscopic explanation" section provides an explanation directly contradicting the statement in question.
I've seen a user removing this sentence which got reverted because lack of the source, which is fair enough, but hopefully other well written wiki section is okay.
The statement itself does not provide a citation as well. I couldn't track down this information. I think it is true for those exotic materials and extreme light slowing down, but not for general light propagation through materials, especially not for refraction in transparent materials.
I also found a video from Fermilab that says that bouncing off atoms is specifically not the reason why light slows down in water. It is due to EM field interactions in material. The argument is exactly the same as from Dhrm77, even if one could argue absorption and reemission is not exactly scattering the logic still holds up because it's still bouncing off atoms just with even more delay - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjt36SD3h8&t=171. In a follow up video there is an exact explanation of refraction which is in full agreement with the "Microscopic explanation" of refractive index article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmpNM0sgYk&t=517s
The "slower than c" speed in those materials are not due to single photon-atom interactions like emission and absorption or scattering but due to EM wave interactions between the light and material, the resulting wave looks like a wave with lower propagation speed. It's not any kind of "delay between atoms" at all. 83.21.29.156 (talk) 00:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

michelson morley experiments?

I think the Michelson-Morley experiments should be added in this wiki. Please adivse. 82.174.79.67 (talk) 21:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

See Speed_of_light#"Luminiferous_aether" Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

kilometres per hour to be consistent

The speed of light is approximately 300,000 kilometres per second; 186,000 miles per second; 671 million miles per hour. The metric measurement should include 1.08 billion kilometres per hour, to be consistent with metric and imperial examples. Eiger3970 (talk) 07:36, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Categories:
Talk:Speed of light: Difference between revisions Add topic