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	== Socrates believed that the ballot box was a stupid way to elect representatives ==

	Socrates believed that the ballot box was a stupid way to elect representatives. Xenophon explains:
	"Socrates cause his associates to despise the established laws when he dwelt on the folly of appointing state officers by ballot: a principle which, he said, no one would care to apply in selecting a pilot or a flute-player or in any similar case, where a mistake would be far less disastrous than in matters political. Words like these, according to the accuser, tended to incite the young to contemn the established constitution, rendering them violent and headstrong."
	] (]) 16:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

	: You have confused ballot with ballot box ] (]) 19:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
	::I don't know what the purpose of the OP was in posting the above here. If there was a ballot, then there may have been a ballot box also. Or not. Whatever the case, it is clear from the passage (wherever it is take from) that Socrates was referring to the ballot itself, whether that was a box for that or not. So, does that mean that Socrates was implying that democracy is not a good system? Just curious. Thank you, ] ] 22:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
	:::I seriously doubt he was opposed to democracy seeing how he fought to defend it and died protecting it ] (]) 17:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

	In any case, that link doesnt link to a RS, so...]] 09:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

	== Delphi ==		== Delphi ==

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Delphi

The article states he never left Athens although the general historical consensus is he visited Delphi at least once 91.140.15.141 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe not the historical consensus but that’s what I was taught in school and what I’ve read regarding Socrates 2A01:CB05:62E:7300:D0B1:F080:DDB4:E7A9 (talk) 16:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

As well as military campaigns..as far as I know the statement is inaccurate Anonymous8206 (talk) 22:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Lede

The opening sentence - the reference is National Geographic. Surely for a philosopher of this stature and notability a number of WP:SECONDARY sources could be provided? It is not as if he is little-known. 182.239.146.18 (talk) 10:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree..there should be at least one other source to support for the first sentence of the article Anonymous8206 (talk) 00:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY, the lead should be a summary of the rest of the article, if the claims in the lead are justified elsewhere in the article with secondary sources, it's not necessary to also cite them in the lead. Do you dispute the claim that Socrates was a Greek philosopher from Athens who is credited as the founder of Western philosophy and among the first moral philosophers of the ethical tradition of thought, or think that others are likely to challenge it? It certainly seems accurate enough to me. - car chasm (talk) 00:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I removed the reference. . No citation is needed at the lead. Cinadon36 09:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Political climate

@Cinadon36: please explain how the political climate is relevant here. I don't think the paragraph that I removed does this. Thanks, Willbb234 13:05, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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